@ROS1 I don't think you've thought ANY aspect of that plan through objectively.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 21/08/2014 15:38:45    1640030

Realman
ye remain the only county in Ireland to literally BUY a player from another county!
Bought him a house in Sallins that he never even lived in.....
The clip of him hurling was embarrassing for us all

We will take no lectures from the likes of ye !!!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 21/08/2014 15:40:06    1640032

My god, Im not putting it down to population alone, a dublin poster started on the population. I've have talked about:
1- Provided figures showing Dublin get huge development grants, more than every other PROVINCE
Dublin get 'huge' development grants as you put it for 2 reasons. Firstly the GAA allocate funds with a mind to the numbers of people likley to benefit from them (pro rata allocation) and secondly and more importantly they only allocate funds to groups/clubs or counties that can display that they have the correct structures in place to use the funds allocated properly.

2- Have huge sponsorship deals. Almost all other counties get 10% as muc
Any sponsorship deal the Dublin Co board do is solely their business. Its up to every club and county to maximise their own potential when it comes to fund raising. Do you honestly feel all sponsorship money should be pooled and shared out evenly, even to counties that make no effort to finance themselves.

3- play every game at home
Any team going on a run in Leinster will play the majority of their games in Croke Park. Kildare themselves have only played 3 Leinster championship matches outside Croke Park in the last 5 years, and has been pointed out here several times, its the Leinster Council that fixes Dublin for Croke Park for one reason and one reason only, to make money.

4- Have a playing participation advantage
We can't do a lot about the population of the county, and with regards playing participation levels, at the last count the GAA was activly reaching 8% of the population of the county, way behind the levels in any other county. This was one of the main reasons the Co board decided to invest so much in putting coaches into clubs and schools.

its funny the dubs as fabio points out now using the population argument to say they should get more money when before they said it didn't have any influence on how good their team was.
21/08/2014 15:03:25

Also please show me your evidence that we paid individuals?
Of course there is no evidence Kildare paid individuals,as if that would ever happen.
Sure Micko was happy to drive up from Waterville 5 nights a week for the love of the game

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 21/08/2014 15:40:45    1640033

Also please show me your evidence that we paid individuals?
Of course there is no evidence Kildare paid individuals,as if that would ever happen.
Sure Micko was happy to drive up from Waterville 5 nights a week for the love of the game

Sorry Im confused where is your hurling manager from?

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 21/08/2014 16:13:44    1640061

My god, Im not putting it down to population alone, a dublin poster started on the population. I've have talked about:
1- Provided figures showing Dublin get huge development grants, more than every other PROVINCE
Dublin get 'huge' development grants as you put it for 2 reasons. Firstly the GAA allocate funds with a mind to the numbers of people likley to benefit from them (pro rata allocation) and secondly and more importantly they only allocate funds to groups/clubs or counties that can display that they have the correct structures in place to use the funds allocated properly.

Do you think Dublin should get more development funding than every other Province? Double than Connacht?

2- Have huge sponsorship deals. Almost all other counties get 10% as muc
Any sponsorship deal the Dublin Co board do is solely their business. Its up to every club and county to maximise their own potential when it comes to fund raising. Do you honestly feel all sponsorship money should be pooled and shared out evenly, even to counties that make no effort to finance themselves.

Can you please point out where I said anything about sponsorship money being pooled, your arguing points that no one has made. I'm merely pointing out the advantages Dublin have that dwarf other counties


3- play every game at home
Any team going on a run in Leinster will play the majority of their games in Croke Park. Kildare themselves have only played 3 Leinster championship matches outside Croke Park in the last 5 years, and has been pointed out here several times, its the Leinster Council that fixes Dublin for Croke Park for one reason and one reason only, to make money.

Fair enough, its an advantage but its hard to see round it at the moment. I would suggest the GAA look to upgrade the standard of provincial grounds which are almost universally terrible kips.

4- Have a playing participation advantage
We can't do a lot about the population of the county, and with regards playing participation levels, at the last count the GAA was activly reaching 8% of the population of the county, way behind the levels in any other county. This was one of the main reasons the Co board decided to invest so much in putting coaches into clubs and schools.

Its great that if people aren't interested in playing GAA in Dublin that the GAA pump funds into the county until they do. Its not like Dublin were a waste ground for GAA in the 90s. They always has a team that was a contender for provincial honours and often for all ireland. I think the GAA got a bit carried funding Dublin and now realise they overdid it.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 21/08/2014 16:23:19    1640067

Gavvy make perfect sense the 5 new teams would still have a population of close on 300k each and would still be an attractive project for sponsors. It would also encourage new clubs to be set up in weak Gaa areas, while some Dublin gaa people might not like it, it would be good for Dublin Gaa in the long run. On the one hand we get told about all the great work dubs gaa are doing and then on the other we are told how few people play gaa in Dublin.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 21/08/2014 16:33:17    1640075

AHP
2- Have huge sponsorship deals. Almost all other counties get 10% as muc
Any sponsorship deal the Dublin Co board do is solely their business. Its up to every club and county to maximise their own potential when it comes to fund raising. Do you honestly feel all sponsorship money should be pooled and shared out evenly, even to counties that make no effort to finance themselves.

Sorry but this just isn't the case. How can it not be anyone else's business when they have to compete against them every year in what is supposed to be fair competition? Of course it is their business. Similarly, how can it not be their business, when money is a real issue for some counties while others are getting massive shares of allocated funds when they don't need it. The fact that funds are allocated from the gaa means that what each county gets is everyone's business. Efforts should be made to make things as fair as possible, and people need to start supporting the gaa, not just their own team. That for me is what is going on here, people who aren't really gaa fans having their say. They support their own team because they are doing well, and couldn't give a crap about the state of the gaa as a whole.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 21/08/2014 16:40:06    1640081

Sorry, but if it is 'nobody's business' what funds Dublin can generate themselves, then it is 'nobody's business' how the gaa decide to divide up their money... You cant have it every way.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 21/08/2014 16:41:58    1640083

When Kerry were going for 4 and 5 in a row years ago did the GAA world as we know it collapse? No. I think Dublin have numerous advantages at the moment including their ability to attract big sponsorship, home league games in Croker, county players not having to travel for work, etc etc. But a massive amount of work has happened in underage in Dublin to get them to where they are. A lot of it voluntary, and in fairness a good bit of cash has been thrown at it too but they are reaping the rewards of a lot of hard work. Other counties need to look, learn and follow. Dublin have a quality squad with subs who would make any county team. The players seem to have a great bond and work extremely hard for each other. While I am not a big Dublin fan I do admire their approach to the game, they don't play negative football they go out to attack and play the game the way it should be played

Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 775 - 21/08/2014 16:50:37    1640089

Dublin never needed any advantages to beat Kildare realman... that's part and parcel of our GAA history

Long before dieticians and stat annalists

Dublin play every game in Croke Prak - not at home - because the Leinster council deems it necessary in order to help run Leinster

It was also a master stroke by Dublin GAA in coming up with the Spring Series in 2011

Once again - The intelligence and guile of Dublin GAA has bolstered our own advantages - we also have the other county folk to thank for some of them

Namely playing in Croke Park an popping out all them Dublin born babies because they couldn't live in whatever county they were born into - the chance was there to remove Dublin from Croke Park

It got 2 votes. You want GAA to be the number 1 sport in Ireland... Then have no fear

Dublin will continue to generate millions for other counties.

Have no fear... we'll be doing our bit to keep the GAA strong in this country - the money will keep on flowing thanks to Dublin GAA

Spread across the country to fund the grass roots...

We in Dublin have so much to be very proud of.

:)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/08/2014 16:52:46    1640091

These topics are getting repetitive. All focus on the All-Ireland championship really to be honest. All I'll say though is if there was ever a professional era in the GAA with something like 8 to 10 teams in a professional league or something, the Dublin Region is capable of supporting two professional teams. All pie in the sky and all that but it is a fair point.

The semi-final this Sunday is nearly forgotten about with all the talk of Dublin Region v Donegal and the winners to take on Mayo.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7866 - 21/08/2014 16:58:14    1640094

Realman 2

The last thing the GAA should do is go off upgrading provincial grounds the way they have been.
Connaught has 3 in excess of 25,000 which never get filled
Munster has 3 in excess of 35,000 plus one on the way that might get filled once every two years if they are lucky.
Ulster has 4 in excess of 20,000 that never get filled.

Each province needs one stadium at around 35,000 all seater covered stands (leinster has one, the others have none) for championship matches (including quarter finals) and each county needs a 5-10,000 covered stadium with lights for league matches and big club matches.

All other funds should be spent on coaches and all weather pitches/centres of excellence located at county boundaries to reduce the amount to be built.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1115 - 21/08/2014 16:59:31    1640095

County: Dublin
Posts: 12998

1640091 Dublin never needed any advantages to beat Kildare realman... that's part and parcel of our GAA history

You needed the population advantage.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 21/08/2014 17:10:20    1640102

Realman 2

The last thing the GAA should do is go off upgrading provincial grounds the way they have been.
Connaught has 3 in excess of 25,000 which never get filled
Munster has 3 in excess of 35,000 plus one on the way that might get filled once every two years if they are lucky.
Ulster has 4 in excess of 20,000 that never get filled.

Each province needs one stadium at around 35,000 all seater covered stands (leinster has one, the others have none) for championship matches (including quarter finals) and each county needs a 5-10,000 covered stadium with lights for league matches and big club matches.

All other funds should be spent on coaches and all weather pitches/centres of excellence located at county boundaries to reduce the amount to be built.

I don't really know if we are disagreeing. We need quality grounds like say the liberty stadium in Swansea for example for each province maybe withone covered terrace. Thurles is a complete kip but its the second stadium in the country. We need more big games from a restructed championship and better modern stadiums that people will actually enjoy being at.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 21/08/2014 17:15:34    1640106

realman2
County: Kildare
Posts: 175

1640102
County: Dublin
Posts: 12998

1640091 Dublin never needed any advantages to beat Kildare realman... that's part and parcel of our GAA history

You needed the population advantage.


15 v 15 man...

How come you lost to Wicklow?

How come you lost to Louth in 2010?

How come you lost to Donegal in 2011?

Why didn't you beat Monaghan the other day...?

Meath have a smaller population than Kildare...

How come they showed you up in Croke Park?

How come Meath have been so much more successful compared to Kildare in Leinster and in the AI series

It's simply the truth to say that Kildare just aren't very good at football...

You cant even take advantage of your own advantages....

You are claiming population advantages as a reason for Dublin beating Kildare.

If it's that simple... why cant you beat Wicklow in Croke Park?

You have a greater population and have played their much more than Wicklow

Why did you lose?

IMO

Because... you weren't good enough.

Despite your advantages - you lack quality.

Quality wins games. Not population, not money... Quality.

Hence the reason you lost against Wicklow, Louth, Meath, Monaghan, Donegal in recent years

You're just not good at this football thing.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/08/2014 17:45:38    1640127

ROS1

Your idea would make perfect sense in a universe where if you break an egg into five pieces you get get 5 little eggs. It's handy that your 5 regions have 300k each though, well done.

In reality the heart would be pulled from the game in Dublin, interest would plummet. You'd have the bryanadams/realman types saying they werent GAA people anyway but that wouldn't help the situation any. The Leinster Championship and by extension the All-Ireland Championships would be massively devalued by the fact that one of the historically strongest competitors and without doubt the biggest draw no longer exists. And to add to all that there'd be no hate figure, no bogeyman for many to focus on. Look what's happened to Celtic since Rangers nosedived. Crowds have dwindled, performances have stuttered, they're having an existential crisis.

Back in cloud cuckooland yourself and a few other dreamers would be happy for a short while. The damp would set in eventually.

It's all moot though. Any decision would finally rest with the Dublin County Board. And it's a decision that will never be taken: why should it commit hari-kiri because some other counties are too lazy, incapable or unwilling to apply themselves to restructuring efficiently and reorganising responsibly?

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 21/08/2014 18:00:43    1640132

Look what's happened to Celtic since Rangers nosedived. Crowds have dwindled, performances have stuttered, they're having an existential crisis.

Dumb analogy, the spl was a competition with only two teams with a chance of winning before rangers went bankrupt. You suggesting the All ireland and the SPL are similar?

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 21/08/2014 18:22:06    1640141

legendzxix
County: Kerry
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The semi-final this Sunday is nearly forgotten about with all the talk of Dublin Region v Donegal and the winners to take on Mayo.

A very suitable situation for both Mayo and Kerry is it not?

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 21/08/2014 18:27:23    1640144

1640091 Dublin never needed any advantages to beat Kildare realman... that's part and parcel of our GAA history

You needed the population advantage.


15 v 15 man...

How come you lost to Wicklow?

How come you lost to Louth in 2010?

How come you lost to Donegal in 2011?

Why didn't you beat Monaghan the other day...?

Meath have a smaller population than Kildare...

How come they showed you up in Croke Park?

How come Meath have been so much more successful compared to Kildare in Leinster and in the AI series

It's simply the truth to say that Kildare just aren't very good at football...

You cant even take advantage of your own advantages....

You are claiming population advantages as a reason for Dublin beating Kildare.

If it's that simple... why cant you beat Wicklow in Croke Park?

You have a greater population and have played their much more than Wicklow

Why did you lose?

IMO

Because... you weren't good enough.

Despite your advantages - you lack quality.

Quality wins games. Not population, not money... Quality.

Hence the reason you lost against Wicklow, Louth, Meath, Monaghan, Donegal in recent years

You're just not good at this football thing.

We've beaten Louth and Wicklow historically more than they've beaten us because we have a bigger population than them. A larger Population doesn't mean you will beat a team with a smaller population everytime you play them. It just means generally you will beat them more than they will beat you. There are exceptions like Kerry but generally what I'm saying is true.

Did you really think I was so stupid that I thought bigger population meant zero chance of losing??

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 21/08/2014 18:44:43    1640150

I'm responding to a lot of silly stuff on here so let me throw Dublin a bone.

If Dublin gets spilt you will unoffically have won Gaelic Football. They will have changed the rules just for you because us culchies couldn't compete with you. You would be ableto lord it over us for all time. You really aren't seeing the good in all this.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 21/08/2014 18:50:55    1640153