Fielder, hurling is my first game and Dublin have played at least two out of three of our championship games outside Dublin for as long as I can recall. DCB has never once objected.

I do agree that footballers should have to play away if drawn second but it is Leinster Council not DCB who are deciding that they don't. A lot of two facedness involved. Same county boards voting to keep the cash cow in Croke Park are going back to their own delegates and thumping the table about the Jackeens being kept in Croke Park!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 21/08/2014 09:53:03    1639733

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Fielder, hurling is my first game and Dublin have played at least two out of three of our championship games outside Dublin for as long as I can recall. DCB has never once objected.

I do agree that footballers should have to play away if drawn second but it is Leinster Council not DCB who are deciding that they don't. A lot of two facedness involved. Same county boards voting to keep the cash cow in Croke Park are going back to their own delegates and thumping the table about the Jackeens being kept in Croke Park!

I don't think its viable for Dublin to play Championship games outside of Croke Park, as their aren't enough quality stadiums in Leinster or probably the rest of Ireland to cater for the size of crowds Dublin draw.

So naturally Croke park makes sense from that point of view, as it had the required facilities and can accomodate those crowds safely.

Who is seriously going to back a motion to put a Dublin GAA team in a 26,000 capacity stadium in the arsehole of nowhere to play Wexford or Laois, when they are likely to draw a crowd of 60-70,000. All while Croke park hosts an alternative double header which attracts a combined crowd of 35,000.

I'm in favour of keeping them in Croke Park

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 21/08/2014 10:19:43    1639749

I have to laugh at the Dublin supporters suggestion that the advantages Dublin enjoy now, have always been the same, and that nobody said anything when Dublin were losing.

The facts are that Dublin are now a professional team playing in an amateur competition.

The Bertie influenced 6,000,000 Euro investment in Dublin GAA started the ball rolling and along with GAA development grants, private sponsorship from Vodafone, AIG, and all Dublin's other financial support, have resulted in the attainment of a veiled professionalism in Dublin GAA.

Furthermore, the financial advantages have allowed Dublin provide greater facilities for training, over fifty coaches, a wealth of fitness, psychological, medical, dietary and strength and conditioning expertise.

We have reached a stage where the GAA will have to do something to rectify the situation. The Dubs can accuse people of begrudging, but do they really expect supporters from other counties to travel to Dublin every year, and watch their amateur sportsmen being hockeyed off the field, by a professional Dublin team playing every game on their home ground?

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 21/08/2014 10:24:04    1639754

Dublin's revenue from the GAA's operating Payments to Clubs, Counties and Provinces in 2012 was €2,029,093. The total of these payments made to all counties was 10,789,770. So Dublin have received almost one-fifth of the GAA's outlay to go alongside their near €1,000,000 a year sponsorship deal.

Let's look at the figures more closely. Most of the €2,029,093 Dublin got was for Games Development. €1,588,001 the exact figure. Let's compare that to what whole provinces got for Games Development in 2012. Ulster got €1,216,815. Connacht got €770,071. Munster got €1,126,414 and rest of Leinster outside of Dublin got a paltry €115,469. I had to double check that figure it was so laughably small compared to Dublin.

The GAA could start by diving Dublin's €2,029,093 between the rest of the counties in Leinster.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 21/08/2014 11:09:34    1639780

Where is the evidence that Dublin GAA have dominated All-Irelands. They have won 3 football titles in twenty years, and whilst that is an achievement as is any All-Ireland it hardly smacks of crisis for the rest of the country. Where was the calls of crisis when Tyrone were winning All Irelands with the huge input from Club Tyrone, or the huge financial input from Kerry group for the kingdom. Yes teams need financial input to compete but don't say that's the only reason All Irelands are won. I know my county are putting huge work into coaching on a fraction of Dublins resources and are making inroads. I think there is anti Dublin agenda going on, accept the challenge and move on, Dublin will not win every All Ireland over the 10 years, yes Jim McGuiness has talked about the resources but he will believe Donegal can win next week.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 21/08/2014 11:22:14    1639791

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1639754 I have to laugh at the Dublin supporters suggestion that the advantages Dublin enjoy now, have always been the same, and that nobody said anything when Dublin were losing.

The facts are that Dublin are now a professional team playing in an amateur competition.

Can you define what is a "professional" team and how their set up is so different to other top teams?

bubba83 (Dublin) - Posts: 333 - 21/08/2014 11:26:55    1639795

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1639791 Where is the evidence that Dublin GAA have dominated All-Irelands. They have won 3 football titles in twenty years, and whilst that is an achievement as is any All-Ireland it hardly smacks of crisis for the rest of the country. Where was the calls of crisis when Tyrone were winning All Irelands with the huge input from Club Tyrone, or the huge financial input from Kerry group for the kingdom. Yes teams need financial input to compete but don't say that's the only reason All Irelands are won. I know my county are putting huge work into coaching on a fraction of Dublins resources and are making inroads. I think there is anti Dublin agenda going on, accept the challenge and move on, Dublin will not win every All Ireland over the 10 years, yes Jim McGuiness has talked about the resources but he will believe Donegal can win next week.

Good post sam1884

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 21/08/2014 11:34:07    1639802

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1639754 I have to laugh at the Dublin supporters suggestion that the advantages Dublin enjoy now, have always been the same, and that nobody said anything when Dublin were losing.

The facts are that Dublin are now a professional team playing in an amateur competition.

Can you define what is a "professional" team and how their set up is so different to other top teams?

The facts and figures are freely available, look them up for yourself. Or are you in denial mode?

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 21/08/2014 11:37:28    1639804

Dublin received one fifth of the funds available yet have over a quarter of the population. Wow!!! Shocker!!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 21/08/2014 11:53:26    1639818

@bryanadams

Can you explain how the money allocated for all games development in 2012 has positively affected the Dublin Senior Football squad of 2014?

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 21/08/2014 11:58:13    1639821

Funding for Dublin coaching under threat
21 August 2014


Moves are afoot to cut funding for GAA coaching in Dublin.

According to a report in the Irish Examiner, the issue was discussed by the National Financial Management Committee at a meeting in Croke Park last Saturday. It was one of a number of controversial proposals relating to finance discussed by officials from all over the country.

Unsurprisingly, the plan to reduce the capital's allocation for coaching was vehemently opposed to by the Dublin representative. A proposal to abolish the hurl and helmet subsidy was also met with strong opposition. Another proposal to re-examine the distribution of revenue generated by the Allianz Leagues was also considered.

The move to slash Dublin's funding comes in the same week as Donegal manager Jim McGuinness compared Dublin GAA's resources to those of the Roman Abramovich-owned Chelsea.

"Dublin have just... it was like Abramovich going into the Premier League," McGuinness said ahead of Sunday week's All-Ireland SFC semi-final between the counties.

"It's a different ball game, the level that they have taken sports science to. With nutrition, conditioning, the amount of coaches they have, it's a professional set-up in every aspect... Kerry have done that for years as well. But there is huge momentum with resources and training facilities in Dublin."

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 21/08/2014 12:02:42    1639827

@bryanadams you're spouting of facts and figures is selective and without perspective.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 21/08/2014 12:03:12    1639829

Hypothetically, if Dublin GAA had not upped its game (thru grass roots work and resources) Leinster Rugby was ready to take over. The IRFU weren't shy about going into traditional GAA areas and providing rugby coaching in schools. Seen it first hand in Cabra.

So the questions I ask the loud minority of dub bashers out there:
Would you prefer Dublin to be a rugby stronghold were kids didn't play GAA; or would you prefer a strong Dublin GAA community reflected in a strong senior team?

Were you happier when Dublin were mediocre?

HenryHill16 (Dublin) - Posts: 249 - 21/08/2014 12:05:41    1639831

Bryanadams can you name one player that Dublin paid to play for Dublin? Or was set up in a pub or bought a house?

See where I am coming from?

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 21/08/2014 12:07:26    1639832

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1639754 I have to laugh at the Dublin supporters suggestion that the advantages Dublin enjoy now, have always been the same, and that nobody said anything when Dublin were losing.

The facts are that Dublin are now a professional team playing in an amateur competition.

Can you define what is a "professional" team and how their set up is so different to other top teams?

The facts and figures are freely available, look them up for yourself. Or are you in denial mode?

- You say Dublin are a professional team. I simply asked you to define professional. Does it mean the players are full time, are they paid? How are they professional and what makes them unique to other top teams? This is your accusation, how can I deny it if I don't know what you mean?

bubba83 (Dublin) - Posts: 333 - 21/08/2014 12:08:36    1639833

The footballers of Dublin are first and foremost academics , theres school teachers amongst other professions in there , most of them have dived time between careers study and their sport , it must be annoying to say the least to have the likes of Bryanadams spouting professionalisim , Id love to know how its possible to teach a classroom of kids 5 days a week and be considered a " professional "
Is the set up professional you bet it is .but the lads in blue are the hardest working non professional sports men in Ireland .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 21/08/2014 12:18:47    1639838

bryanadams

Yeah, one fifth of the money to promote one third of the population.

Lets do the maths..........oh........Dublin are getting a raw deal. They in fact should be getting more money.

Oh they've negotiated good deals from private sponsors. So they are making up for the unfair share of the budget they are getting.

Next time think before posting.....THINK

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 21/08/2014 12:29:14    1639845

This has turned into an interesting debate. If nothing else, some smaller counties could now be in for a windfall next year.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 21/08/2014 12:37:49    1639853

Oh, I see, the usual heated posts from the Dubs in denial brigade. Thankfully the GAA are taking action to level the playing field, by considering reducing the enormous funding they provide to Dublin GAA.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 21/08/2014 12:44:40    1639863

Jackeen
Dublin received one fifth of the funds available yet have over a quarter of the population. Wow!!! Shocker!!

Yerra yerra, sure don't only a fraction of dubs play gaa and don't cork have more clubs and therefore more players!!
Classic stuff

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 21/08/2014 13:22:21    1639901