I agree brend. Whataboutery at its finest. He is right, plain and simple. Celtic might well be just as bad, that doesn't excuse it for Dublin though.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 19/08/2014 11:03:32    1638752

Doesnt look like having a swipe to me. McGuinness just answered the question he was asked. And to be honest, papers and even hoganstand did try to make out it was a swipe with the headline. But he just praises the dubs in my view on how well they look after their players and facilities. He even said it was like when Kerry were way out in front of teams 10 years ago or so due to them properly taking care of young players coming through hence having better resources to choose from.

So folks, Dont just read the headings!

fielder (Donegal) - Posts: 137 - 19/08/2014 11:07:08    1638754

Some of you lads would jump at the chance to be offended. He actually says that in his time he has done his best to make the Donegal setup more professional and that Dublin have taken it to a higher level. Is any of what he says untrue?

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 19/08/2014 11:11:53    1638756

Jesus lads, some of the paranoia here is incredible. Which part of what McGuinness said is false? Dublin are miles ahead of anyone in terms of their resources. Is anyone seriously trying to dispute that? If not, then why the big fuss about what Jim has said? It's not a veiled swipe at all, if anything it's a compliment, Dublin are going to dominate for years to come he said. Very insulting indeed!!! I read comments by Jim earlier this year where he complimented Dublin for being able to access such resources and it was up to everyone else to catch up, much like hey as said on here again... The truth is the truth whether some want to hear it or not. Dublin do have the best resources and are miles ahead of the rest. I was I could be a fan of a team who were so far ahead in this respect, certainly wouldn't be annoyed about it!

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 19/08/2014 11:13:23    1638759

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 11717

1638752
Celtic might well be just as bad, that doesn't excuse it for Dublin though.

I think that Celtic has nothing to do with the set up in donegal. There is nothing in it for the donegal team, in fact it was a major disadvantage to us last year in terms of JMG being away a lot of the time. BTW we have no complaints, a man has got to make a living, and he owes us nothing either.

It would be a different story if celtic were providing donegal with facilities, funding and expertise which they are not. So its a bogus comparison.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 19/08/2014 11:22:13    1638766

Does he not know that we're people too? With feelings and emotions and wishes for the future.

And what about the children? Will somebody please think of the children?

JackoDub (Dublin) - Posts: 458 - 19/08/2014 11:23:11    1638768

How many more threads will be started that turn into a Dublin spending/advantage etc etc...I am bored of it. Jim gave an opinion and the ppers as usual take it out of context from what I can see.

On a side note Mayo or Kerry won't mind if this story runs and takes up the media interest this week....that said the Dublin managemnet are too smart to offer any comment.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 19/08/2014 11:28:54    1638770

JackoDub
County: Dublin
Posts: 334

Does he not know that we're people too? With feelings and emotions and wishes for the future.

And what about the children? Will somebody please think of the children?


LOL

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 19/08/2014 11:29:18    1638771

JackoDub
County: Dublin
Posts: 334

1638768
Does he not know that we're people too? With feelings and emotions and wishes for the future.

And what about the children? Will somebody please think of the children?

No. Life is tough and provides many challenges. Go lick your wounds and get on with life.

fielder (Donegal) - Posts: 137 - 19/08/2014 11:34:32    1638776

Maybe Jim should follow Grimley's approach ; people obviously cannot handle anything that is said at all. He was asked a direct question about Dublin , he deliberately posited that Dublin deserve credit and the rest should follow.

What is there to worry about ?? Sure the Dubs tell us it's a level playing field ??

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 19/08/2014 11:38:17    1638778

benjyyy
County: Donegal
Posts: 1057

thats exactly how I ready it when I saw it.

A

Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 381 - 19/08/2014 11:43:57    1638781

It is disrespectful in the extreme - by comparing Dublin to Chelsea we have to assume he is talking about finances. Abramovich is known for buying the premierleague by funding large transfers and paying huge wages.
The Dublin players are amateurs - they have full-time jobs, or in college, only 2 part-time workers i know of (teachers).

The disrespect from Jim McG undermines all the work they put in. Do they not have to get up at 6am to go training every day? Make huge sacrificies, in their personal life, social life, diet, etc.?

Really bad form. Its 15 v 15. Id be embarrassed by this if I was from the fine county of Donegal.
19/08/2014 10:28:26

What sort of tripe are you talking, he didn't mention anything about players he is emphasising the finances Dublin have at their disposal for high tech training, sports psychologists, coaches all over the county, a fleet of Toyota's at heir disposal etc etc. Dublin have all that and good luck to them for being able to get it but it creates a divide, I have to agree with that. And don't put the poor mouth on about the Dublin footballers, they get their fair amount of advertising work and opportunity to make a few extra bob due to their standing, all players of All Ireland champions have had that opportunity but the profile of these guys is a step ahead of all others

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 19/08/2014 11:44:09    1638782

Why is it Dublin supporters get so excited everytime someone discusses the vast difference in resources between the Dubs and everyone else. The facts are:
1. The GAA has invested huge amounts of money in Croke Park which saved the Dubs having to develop a stadium of their own.
2. The national centre of excellence is located in Dublin saving the Dubs having to build their own.
3. The GAA has pumped resource into Dublin for a decade to try to grow the GAA and compete with Soccer (which has resulted in the Irish team going to pot)
4. Dublin has the largest market and therefore gets the best sponsorship deals.
5. Dublin tend to get more home league games (4 home and 3 away) than other counties now that they are using Croke Park as a home ground

I am not complaining. All this was needed to get Dublin back to winning titles so as to grow the game in Dublin. However, the current imbalance in funding towards Dublin needs to be changed to favour other counties and ensure a competitive championship. Otherwise a splitting of Dublin will be inevitable.

It should also be said that most Munster and Connaught counties have wasted their central countil money on building large stadiums that only get filled for home provincial finals (McHale Park, Salthill, Hyde Park, Gaelic Grounds, Killarney, Thurles, not to mention Corks upcoming white elephant).

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 19/08/2014 11:46:06    1638784

Who cares what he says, tabloid sub-editing, there's a game on the 31st, and it's the only game in town!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 19/08/2014 11:46:40    1638785

TheRightStuff
County: Donegal
Posts: 431

1638778 Maybe Jim should follow Grimley's approach ; people obviously cannot handle anything that is said at all. He was asked a direct question about Dublin , he deliberately posited that Dublin deserve credit and the rest should follow.

What is there to worry about ?? Sure the Dubs tell us it's a level playing field ??
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Exactly, why they have to go diving into the defensive at the first mention is nobodies business, and then some feel JMcG's employment should be brought into the discussion, sure you couldn't make it up.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 19/08/2014 11:56:09    1638794

Well obviously the reporter cared realdub, since he asked, obviously the readers of HS care, since it is in the most read stories on the site, and obviously the HS forum users care because it is getting a shed load of posts.

So in short, yes, people care about it, therefore we will continue to discuss it. Thanks for the concern.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 19/08/2014 12:01:47    1638800

Think everyone needs to get down off their high horses. Maybe the reason Dublin are doing so well is that at this moment in time Dublin have the best panel of players in the country? Simples really. But of course everyone looks for an excuse, has to be the Abromavich like cash reserves, the fleet of Toyotas, playing in Croke Park, etc.

bubba83 (Dublin) - Posts: 333 - 19/08/2014 12:09:33    1638805

Heres a MAD idea Jim!
Watch your own house and avoid answering questions on the opposition!
Jim Gavin has it off to a tee!

You look after Donegal and leave Dublin....to Dublin!

Good man Jim

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 19/08/2014 12:14:22    1638808

Richieq

It's my opinion. Not tripe. Yes of course he was referring to finances, but all the finances in the world won't help you if you don't put the work and effort in. This, and natural talent of course. This is the point i was making.
This isn't the premier league, you can't buy/bring in talented professionals from the outside to give you an advantage.
Dublin players have worked hard to get where they are.

The reference to Abramovich is way way off the mark. Such a man like McGuinness should be able to reference Queiroz, the coach at United who improved training methods and the general fitness of the team circa 2000. Using the Abramovich reference is a pop at Dublin and their perceived finances.

As for Dublin players advertising work - that's neither here nor there. irrelevant.

HenryHill16 (Dublin) - Posts: 249 - 19/08/2014 12:31:42    1638816

By reading the posts on here people must of just read the headline. He wasn't saying anything bad about the dubs just stating that they have more resources than most and they have taking football to the next level in which I believe he is correct and the dubs have set the template for the rest to follows. I didn't believe anything negative was said about Dublin.

red1980 (Donegal) - Posts: 106 - 19/08/2014 12:32:18    1638817