Ok obviously the Tipperary (in Irish) poster is thurlesblue. Cork not good enough to win an all Ireland ? I disagree they won last years only for the ref some how pull out an extra 30 seconds when time was up, Cork were flat today it happens nothing went right and Tipp were on fire and punished them all game, cork will be back they've some great players and young Cadogan whose a star will only get better from today's experience , last thing I feel a bit sorry for Shane O Niell he won 85% of 50/50 balls in against Callahan he just couldn't hold him all game when Tipp kept coming at the Cork defence but for me he had a good game.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 17/08/2014 20:12:41    1638062

Are they better off having it back to 8 teams in qf again
I know kk are doing OK with the long lay off
But kk match Could of gone anyway
It has to fav teams playing a qf instead of going straight into semi
Dub and Lim last year both lost out last year
Cork were the same as Lim last year
Tipp were good today 2.17 from play was super
And to think Tipp were 6+ points down to gal and look down and out

oll (Limerick) - Posts: 693 - 17/08/2014 20:28:11    1638072

tiobraidArann
County: Tipperary
Posts: 103

Cody won't be happy
He knows what's waiting for him

Will Eamon O'Shea be happy with what's waiting for him? I hope so.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2481 - 17/08/2014 20:40:51    1638080

A five week break for a munster team who go to play their first game in Croke Park has proven a step too far for nearly all munster champs. It is a big reason why we in Limerick were not overly disappointed to lose the munster final.
Disillusioned
What have ye won since ye lost the Munster final that ye wer not unhappy about losing tell me?

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 17/08/2014 20:40:52    1638081

Am gonna stick with arrogant smirk Ballydalane but it just my opinion.

Whatever your view point it is a fact that KK will have won a Leinster cship in Croke Park before they play an Ai semi. Didnt help dublin last year but they were carrying a lot of baggage about make an AI final for first time in 40 odd years.

It is a fact that KK have developed a winning habit that playing in Croke Park is more common place than it is for any Munster team and that playing in AI semis is a regular occurrence. Contrast that to Cork who had 6 changes from last years team it is just not the same.It may suit you to deny that you guys have an advantage but it doesnt hold up to any objective analysis.

My concern here is not anything to do with KK. My concern is that the Munster c ship has been devalued because teams like Clare last year and Cork last year and this year arrive at HQ better prepared than provincial champions. We were not in the least bit disappointed to lose Munster final this year and that shouldnt be the case.

So if it ok with you Ballydalane there are important issues relating to hurling that dont involve KK or more relevant kk ppl arrogant dismissal of others genuine concerns.

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 17/08/2014 20:47:06    1638085

Good point Oll. Can I remind everyone how this 5 week break for provincial champions came about in the first place. You may recall Waterford won the Munster title in 2007. At that time the provincial champions went to the quarter finals to play whoever came out the qualifiers. Waterford were unfortunate enough to meet a good Cork team and they needed two titanic matches to beat them. They then had to play a semi final a week later against Limerick, which they lost with a very flat performance.

Waterford then proceeded to complain to anyone who would listen that it was a disgrace that the Munster champions should have to play a quarter final against a top team like Cork and be set up for a massive ambush in the semi final, that it was absolutely no advantage in winning the Munster championship. The Munster council and the media began pushing for the Munster champions to be given a bye straight to the All Ireland semi, which duly happened the following year, and every year since.

Since then the Munster champions have lost 4 out of 6 semi finals and the much-clamoured for bye into the semi final is now a problem for them.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 17/08/2014 20:48:39    1638086

tiobraidArann
County: Tipperary
Posts: 103

Cody won't be happy
He knows what's waiting for him

Will Eamon O'Shea be happy with what's waiting for him? I hope so.

Yep Eamonn will be happy

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 17/08/2014 20:52:17    1638093

Maybe TA I was saying we were not disappointed after the immeidately after the game Huh?

Bet you your boys are happy that ye not meeting us. Know for a fact that Seamie is happy he wont meet Richie till next year.

All your old smart talk wont take away from the fact that we beat ye last year and this year home and away. even if ye win AI there is a team in mUnster who is better than tipp.. Talk all u want two from two home and away doesnt lie

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 17/08/2014 20:53:09    1638094

tiobraidArann
County: Tipperary
Posts: 109

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Real dub
We have the same motivation meeting them

Anyways, should be a cracker!!!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8597 - 17/08/2014 21:05:09    1638106

Tipp first half display was OK today they left a bad Cork team in the game for a long time today and it was a Nash keeping cork in the game
Tipp have a lot of work to do to beat kk
But I liked the work rate of hooking and blocking which you don't see from Tipp teams if Tipp backs play well next day and forwards are on form
But kk will be on top in midfield
Cody rather meet Tipp than cork in final
But that might work to Tipp advantage underdogs

oll (Limerick) - Posts: 693 - 17/08/2014 21:16:12    1638111

clondalkindub

You are right. Shane O'Neill was excellent today. Tipp's tactics were spot on and the Cork full back line was under a high ball every 20seconds. Couldn't fault O'Neill for either goal.

I feel those are the perfect tactics for Tipp if they are to beat KK. Secure primary possession and hit the full forward line. JJ and Tyrell will come out with plenty of ball, but as we saw today, there's always the chance of a few breaking Callinans way.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5018 - 17/08/2014 21:33:31    1638126

Well done to Tipp. Much better today. Cork, god, I dunno. Totally devoid of any leadership. No aggression. No ignorance. Noone willing to kill themselves to win one big ball to lift them. They need a few leaders badly if they're to progress. They're too nice.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2553 - 17/08/2014 21:33:43    1638127

The main problem causing the 5 to 6 week wait for the Munster & Leinster Champions before the semi-finals. is the provincial Championships themselves.

If the All Ireland Championship was run on a group stage, then knock-out stage; similar to soccer's World Cup, this problem would not arise

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2481 - 17/08/2014 21:41:05    1638130

ballydalane
County: Kilkenny
Posts: 146

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I have a feeling Tipp will win. Something tells me this Cork team isn't quite as good as people are making out, whereas Tipp have a lot of momentum going into this match. I could well be proven wrong but it's just a hunch.
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Fair play to you. You called it exactly right. I'll be paying attention to any more predictions you make :-). You got any idea who'll win between Dublin and Donegal???

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 17/08/2014 21:51:12    1638138

I don't think I've ever left Croke Park so despondent. Only consolation is that we were beaten by a better side, superior in every line of the field.
No criticism of players, though, in terms of honest effort and commitment.
I think what really needs to be examined is the poor under-age setup in the county. The lack of success at minor and under 21 is symptomatic of this. It needs to be addressed urgently.
Very best of luck to Tipp, hope they bring Liam home, on loan.

jerryp (Cork) - Posts: 104 - 17/08/2014 21:55:04    1638140

Avonali, football's not my forte but from what I've seen, if Dublin play their normal game ye'll beat Donegal handily enough.

Jerryp, I'd question your point about not criticising the players for effort and commitment. It looked like a lot of Cork players chucked in the towel with a long way to go. I couldn't believe how much time Tipp players had in the second half to do what they pleased.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 18/08/2014 08:32:28    1638149

Firstly many congrats to Tipperary

It was a brilliant performance full of intensity intelligent play and brilliant agression

I wish ye the very best of luck and i home those idiot fans that gave out about the players going for pints after the limerick loss are barred from the final . Bloody idiots probably never played before and dont know what its like to give up your social life for months on end.

To the cork team its one game and can happen to the best of teams. In 2004 the kilkenny team god comprehensively beaten in an all ireland final by cork the bulk of that team went on to win 4 in a row. So leave it as it was a bad day we have all had them and there is nothing more draining that chasing something that and not having the answers.

I do hope the CCB have a serious look and overhaul as no matter what way you twist it or turn it you must have underage success. You must get a winning mentality and cork just dont have the being honest try go into games on both codes hoping to win rather than thinking they will win.

And i think its clear now that the dual star thing doesnt work simple as that.

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 18/08/2014 09:54:52    1638178

Hats off to Tipp.

Great result for them.
Couldn't believe how poor Cork were.. They looked rusty and showed very little fight for the game.
Tipp dominated them is nearly all area's.

Underdog strikes again...

Still fancy Kilkenny to win the All Ireland, but this Tipp team seems to be getting better as the season goes on, so you never know....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3738 - 18/08/2014 10:08:22    1638186

ritchie
County: Cork
Posts: 158



And i think its clear now that the dual star thing doesnt work simple as that.

Spot on. No more 'accommodating' from managers/coaches..the players themselves make a decision and that is it.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 18/08/2014 11:28:35    1638256

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/donal-og-cusack-rant-sunday-game-1625559-Aug2014/

I just watched the Donal Og rant there and he makes fair points r,e the building of a new stadium verses coaching stucture. Des Cahill also comes across as an egeit sometimes, two pitches!!!! ffs

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11237 - 18/08/2014 12:21:49    1638291