royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 6269

1636059
Well well well. That was fun:).
Let me clarify. Spillane would not make it onto bench of this team as he would be totally out of place. The game has moved on so much that it is probably unfair to make comparison. But sure you can always try. Wacko made a list and while the Kerry names stand out. One would wonder how they'd cope with Dublin this year.
Someone said something about Meath posters saying how good dubs are. Well here is the thing I've noticed on hs lately those that have not seen Dublin play in the flesh think they can be beaten while those that have seen them say they can't. That also extends to a lot of Donegal fans who stayed on. Up until then they were saying same thing


No no you are wrong. The point I made is that the same posters who thought Meath would best them are now saying that Dublin are unbeatable, how can we take those people seriously. I have seen this Dublin team in the flesh many times and while they are a superb bunch of athletes with some great footballers, they are not unbeatable for the next few years as people seem to think!

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 13/08/2014 10:11:13    1636097

I don't think Dublin are over rated at all - they are blowing away anything that is put in front of them in an unprecedented manner - you have to say that they are a pretty ruthless machine that show no sign of letting up.

I do think it is difficult to judge exactly how good they are on the historical timeline given the state of the opposition right now.

Before anyone starts jumping on me I mean this because at the start of this year's championship you would have said Dublin but would have found it difficult to predict exactly where the challenge was going to come from.

It is one of those years, and in fairness it has probably been the case for a few years now, that you cannot pick a few serious contenders before the championship began. I think back to about 10 years ago and you would have been saying Dublin Tyrone, Kerry and Armagh are all very serious contenders to win the All Ireland.

Again it could be argued that because Dublin are so good right now that it is easy to overlook every other team but my personal feeling is that we just do not have as many top teams at the table right now.

Looking at the teams who have appeared in finals since 2000 outwith Dublin:
Kerry - rebuilding
Tyrone - rebuilding
Donegal - to be in the frame they have to me maxed out with everyone peaking - McGuiness has achieved this before but requires everything to be right
Mayo - for me the best squad aside from Dublin but are running on empty this year
Cork - not sure whether they are on the way down or the way up though suspect down
Armagh - rebuilding
Galway -rebuilding
Meath - a long way from their glory days
Down - a long way from their glory days

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 13/08/2014 10:21:26    1636103

It is not credible to say Dublin are unbeatable for the next few years. Dublin are an excellent team and play exciting football and are most likely to win the All-Ireland this year but other teams also believe they can win this year.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 13/08/2014 10:52:14    1636120

Naysayer
County: Antrim
Posts: 850

1636103
I don't think Dublin are over rated at all - they are blowing away anything that is put in front of them in an unprecedented manner - you have to say that they are a pretty ruthless machine that show no sign of letting up.

I do think it is difficult to judge exactly how good they are on the historical timeline given the state of the opposition right now.

Before anyone starts jumping on me I mean this because at the start of this year's championship you would have said Dublin but would have found it difficult to predict exactly where the challenge was going to come from.

It is one of those years, and in fairness it has probably been the case for a few years now, that you cannot pick a few serious contenders before the championship began. I think back to about 10 years ago and you would have been saying Dublin Tyrone, Kerry and Armagh are all very serious contenders to win the All Ireland.

Again it could be argued that because Dublin are so good right now that it is easy to overlook every other team but my personal feeling is that we just do not have as many top teams at the table right now.

Looking at the teams who have appeared in finals since 2000 outwith Dublin:
Kerry - rebuilding
Tyrone - rebuilding
Donegal - to be in the frame they have to me maxed out with everyone peaking - McGuiness has achieved this before but requires everything to be right
Mayo - for me the best squad aside from Dublin but are running on empty this year
Cork - not sure whether they are on the way down or the way up though suspect down
Armagh - rebuilding
Galway -rebuilding
Meath - a long way from their glory days
Down - a long way from their glory days


Great post.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 13/08/2014 11:05:46    1636135

This Dublin team is far from over rated. Dublin can only beat what's in front of them and they've been doing a damn good job of it! I see people saying that they are a lot like Mayo last year..I'll disagree on that point, 1 because the majority if not all of this Dublin team has actually won an All Ireland in the last few years and know what it takes to win it where as Mayo have bottled any chance they have had in the last 5 years to do so. 2 This Dublin team don't believe in the hype that is around them and definitley don't panic when it's put up to them. The scary thing is that this Dublin team is quite young and they have been steadily improving across the year. I'm sure there will be a day when someone will beat this side but for me i cant see it happening this championship.

Manner14 (Dublin) - Posts: 2 - 13/08/2014 11:20:16    1636142

Great post Naysayer. Right on the money.

aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 665 - 13/08/2014 11:25:28    1636147

You are right, can't be denied that Dublin have begun winning at a time when Kerry have been rebuilding, although hopefully the end of that process is in sight and expect big things from us in 2015, sure we might even scrap a win this year, you never know!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 13/08/2014 11:40:00    1636163

pdempsey
County: Mayo
Posts: 731

1636083 Depends on who's doing the rating! They're not a great team yet(they won lucky all ireland in 2011And beat Mayo by 1 point in 2013) but I fear they will be.


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Out scored Kerry 1-3 to 0-1 in the last 10mins and should have scored more....Very even game for the first 43mins Dublin Leading 0-8 to 1-2. Kerry dominated from 43 to 63mins and Dublin Dominated the most important stage of the game 63 - 73mins.

Mayo had 2 opportunities to win LUCKY finals against Kerry and completely SXXT themselves. At least we were still in the game to win a LUCKY one!!!!

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 13/08/2014 11:41:52    1636164

jacktheDub
County: Dublin
Posts: 206

1636164
pdempsey
County: Mayo
Posts: 731

1636083 Depends on who's doing the rating! They're not a great team yet(they won lucky all ireland in 2011And beat Mayo by 1 point in 2013) but I fear they will be.


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Out scored Kerry 1-3 to 0-1 in the last 10mins and should have scored more....Very even game for the first 43mins Dublin Leading 0-8 to 1-2. Kerry dominated from 43 to 63mins and Dublin Dominated the most important stage of the game 63 - 73mins.

Mayo had 2 opportunities to win LUCKY finals against Kerry and completely SXXT themselves. At least we were still in the game to win a LUCKY one!!!!



As I have said many times on here before, the Mayo team of 04 and 06 were lucky to get to the finals, saying the bottled it on those days is just lazy analysis. Mayo beat Dublin in 06 and got spanked by Kerry. The following year the same Dublin team got murdered by Kerry. That Dublin and Mayo team of that era were average so don't mention bottling, there is a difference.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 13/08/2014 11:59:05    1636181

I think Thomas Clarke nailed it. This Dublin team are very effective but that is more down to their physical conditioning and sheer power more than any outstanding football ability. I have been consistent in saying that they are a very good side but they wouldn't have you sitting on the edge of your seat marvelling at their skills or talent. They are primarliy very fit athletes, no team can match them fitness wise and that's why they pull away in the second half of most games. Furthermore let's be honest they are virtually a semi-pro outfit with the resources, advertising and income of your average Aussie Rules professional team. They can afford the best coaches and preparation and Croke Park has poured a lot of money into Dublin over the past decade so how can they lose? I also believe that a psychological barrier now hits most sides in Croke Park and when Dublin get on a roll the sheer noise and atmosphere of a home support carries them when they are not playing well; opposition players are being intimidated and affected by 70,000 Dubs. Those who say Croke Park isn't now an advantage to the Dubs are talking nonsense.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 13/08/2014 12:13:32    1636193

Ya sure they are only winning there matches by 15-20 points every week...must be over rated!!!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 13/08/2014 12:19:26    1636201

Naysayer in ten years time when people are talking about this era they'll say "that was Donegal's greatest ever team" and "Mayo's greatest team in 60 years" , so I think your wrong to say the standard is poor , i think your trying to take away from Dublin's achievements. And to put Dublin as a contender in the 00's is a joke , yes we'd give the odd big gun a game but we'd never win and were never serious contenders.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/08/2014 12:21:31    1636203

12/08/2014 14:48:58
TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 11692

1635655 Interesting point on the whole comparison to the Kerry teams of old. If Dublin win 7 all Irelands can they be considered as good? Even if they rotate through a glut of different players in that period? That isn't really a Dublin team, but rather a win for the Dublin setup that is producing de facto professional gaa players.

are they getting paid or something?

HandyMoran (Roscommon) - Posts: 327 - 13/08/2014 12:24:50    1636208

No the Flaker, there was serious bottling in 2006. Watch the throw in, neither Mayo midfielder even rose to contest the ball. Just a day when the team completely froze, like stage fright. Wont happen again. That is the only consolation. They probably wont beat dublin either but at least they wont bottle it.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 13/08/2014 12:27:54    1636210

13/08/2014 11:40:00
TheHermit
County: Kerry
Posts: 98

1636163 You are right, can't be denied that Dublin have begun winning at a time when Kerry have been rebuilding, although hopefully the end of that process is in sight and expect big things from us in 2015, sure we might even scrap a win this year, you never know!

You could say the same about Dublin rebuilding from 96-2010 when Kerry won 6 All Irelands

HandyMoran (Roscommon) - Posts: 327 - 13/08/2014 12:37:11    1636220

Kerry bet us by 2 points in 07 hardly a hammering

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/08/2014 12:37:45    1636223

This is such a nonsensical argument.Anybody who thinks this Dublin team is overrated needs a reality check.At a time when preparation, tactics, fitness have never been at a higher or more developed level they are beating the majority of teams out the gate often without getting out of second gear.In my opinion this team is underrated if anything!

Jagerbombs (Galway) - Posts: 59 - 13/08/2014 12:45:11    1636231

The bookies might have them at ridiculous odds but that is their concern. Most Dub fans I know are cautiously optimistic but they don't over rate their team. Comparisons with the great teams of the past, particularly the 4 in a row Kerry team, are crass and premature. If they do happen to win back to back titles then let a debate commence about how much more difficult it is to win consecutive titles nowadays than it was nearly 4 decades ago. BUt not until then. Also, considering the big margins they are winning matches by is relevant. Does it reflect Dublin's superiority or does it mean that the general standard has dropped. However, they have two matches yet to play and any one of the four remaining teams could win this All-Ireland. YOu can be sure that JG won't allow any complacency to set in.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 13/08/2014 12:46:22    1636233

Are Dublin over rated ?

NO

kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 321 - 13/08/2014 12:46:36    1636234

Ah there's UM now...

Went hiding after the Monaghan game

He described the game as

Ulster footballers v Lenister runners

Well football did the talking alright...

Yes Dublin are Athletes who just so happen to also be excellent footballers

Every single one of our fowrads are accurate off both feet

Our midfielders are mobile, catch, kick, score, setup attacks as well as defend back

Our defenders are tough, accurate in the tackle, mobile, setup scores, can come forward with precession, inject pace from defense into attack and they can score from play

Many of them are also capable off both feet

Our goal keeper is the best in the business with sublime distribution and he's capable of scoring last minute AI winners

Our bench is the best in the country and contains players with all the above attributes who could at any time find themselves in the starting 15

They've won minor, U-21, Senior, Junior All Ireland medals

They have won College and Club All Ireland Medals

Ulsterman... Not sure what you'd classify as a football team

But you saw what a football team did to Monaghan.... Who you descirbed as "Ulster footballers"

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 13/08/2014 12:58:49    1636244