Seeing your county Captain lifting SAM MAGUIRE!!!!.....an unbeatable feeling!!!!

Mayo have tried it many times....they just aint good enough and never will be to make it a reality!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Phew thats a sweeping statement . Granted Mayo have lost 7 consecutive finals and are an eay target for such comments, but without psychic powers no one can tell what may or my not happen in the future. Clare hurlers won U21 All Ireland 2012, Senior & U21 2013, last October I heard the hurling debate will Clare dominate for the next 5 years , who will stop them?. Granted this is an exceptionall talented bunch of young hurlers that will most likely win the U21 All Ireland this year and will I expect be serious contenders if not winners of the next number of senior All Irelands, but the example I am giving is nothing is certain in sport. Even if you turn to the examole in soccer last year Man City V Wigan (David V Goliath) , there cud only have been one winner the form and pedigree wud suggest. One off game - There was a winner the cup resided in Wigan.

I recall Dublin losing several clousters of finals & high profile games in close proximity '78 & ''79 , '85 & '85 '92 & '94 then a plethora of Lenster Final wins in the naughties before eventually winning an All Ireland in 2011 .... I asked the question did the media label the Dublin Team 89 -94 , the Dublin Team 2002 - 2010 Bottlers & Chokers, I dont recall hearing much of it.
Saying "Mayo will never win" is harsh words from someone from a county who had their own fair share of failure over the last 30 years

belmay (Mayo) - Posts: 172 - 14/08/2014 12:55:05    1636796

ealman2
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Don't play the poor mouth. There is plenty of money in kildare and it is invested in other sports. The amou t that those involved in GAA in Dublin get per capita is less than a lot of other counties.

Fair enough, Kildare are a poor footballing county and we should be better but let's face it Dublin aren't having to put in their own money. Kildare have a raceday in Punchestown to fund the senior team. Donegal had a bloody CURRY night. Do the Dublin senior team even need to bother since they're such a cash cow through sponsorship?

These arguments go round & round. Look at the end of the day the way it looks to me is no one will compete with Dublin over the next 10 years because they dominate at both senior and u-21 level and dominante leinster at minor level. If they dominate like I predict no one will go to matches. Even Dubs will lose interest. Change will have to come. Counties will have to spilt and amalgamate and the GAA will need to cut investment in Dublin and spread it to weaker counties.

I dont think Dublin's dominance is the only problem in the GAA. Player welfare is a another problem. The terrible standard of almost every gaa ground apart from Croke Park I think is a completely ignored problem. But Dubs on this forum in particular are in see no evil, hear no evil mode and are completely failing to see the bigger picture. Last year they were saying Meath people would never complain about Dublin's dominance. Now that Meath people are complaining they say Kerry people would never complain. Basically Dublin posters just attack the county of whoever posts an argument that conflicts with Dublin's interests.

The GAA overfunded Dublin as a look over their accounts would tell anyone with a brain but in the end that just brought about a problem quicker that was always going to be needed to be resolved anyway.
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But realman, in fairness the Dubs have only won two senior All-Ireland titles in the last 20 years. Similarly it's only recently that they have had such success with minor and U-21.
That hardly constitutes world domination. That could change. This Dublin team could easily be defeated this year and it could be another 20 years until we win a title.
GAA was dying out in the capital and it was losing out to soccer and Rugby. It was in nobody's interests that that happen.The Dublin County board have invested wisely and GAA sports are blossoming once again. That won't necessarily translate into world domination at all levels. Massive money has been poured into America soccer. Is the a bad thing if you love the game of soccer? What do you suggest as an alternative? Is it better to have more young people involved in GAA in Dublin? I thought that was a central aspiration of the GAA: to spread the game far and wide and encourage young people to play it.That is now happening in Dublin and we are reaping the rewards because we have a generation of very gifted and dedicated players. I rejoice in Dublin's success; I don't' expect others to. But these debates were non-existent when Dublin were in the doldrums.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 14/08/2014 13:06:12    1636804

If Tyrone went along with giving the Kerry team of the mid noughties their due respect they'd now have 1 title to their name instead of 3. Reputation should win a team nothing. Dublin are a top team in 2014, so aren't overrated this year.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 14/08/2014 14:02:40    1636834

Dublin have 8 of the last 9 leinsters, are a 1/4 shot to win 3 of the last 4 allirelands, have won 3 of the last 5 all irelands at u21 and 4 of the last 6 leinsters at minor level, have won the last two leagues. They are dominant at almost all grades of the game.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 14/08/2014 14:24:41    1636844

Dublin have won 9 of the last 10 Leinster Senior Football Titles actually, but who is counting...
Only teasing you Realman2... ;o)

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3738 - 14/08/2014 15:35:25    1636876

There is nothing more fair about Dublin being Dublin and taken advantage of what we are.

What's unfair is to punish a county for just being itself

Yes it took money, yes it took endeavour but show me a county not spending money to promote our games within their boarders

Because Dublin have the system and the industry to pump more money into our structures is overwhelming down to ourselves.

It's Dublin GAA that has attracted AIG, Vodafone and the numerous other sponsors

Dublin being Dublin has attracted these things. That's a natural thing, it's a fair thing.

Dublin is like no other Irish county, it's unique... it took time and money to build these structures, many millions has been pumped in by the Dublin CB to boost volunteers on the ground, which is completely separate to the grants that were rewarded to a successful Dublin bid to further promote our games in the capital

It's a win, win situation, we now have more people playing / supporting / volunteering in the GAA

Meaning greater streams of revenue going back into the GAA which is then spread out around the country

Dublin have received millions, tax money, Dublin have the highest rate of higher tax contributors in the country, so I'm happy to see my tax spent on such, but how many millions have we generated for the GAA... how many millions of this has been spread across the country

Unfortunately we get little to no credit for this, it's all about what we receive

Not what we generate and that is spread. IMO our contributions even this all out.

What's happening in Dublin is progression, it's change but it's natural progression, because young people aren't forced into playing

They want to turn up to training, and their parents are encouraging this to happen and support their efforts.

It was a shame it didn't happen sooner because the hunger for GAA in Dublin has proven to be massive

It always was but Dublin is not like the rest of Ireland, it took a lot more effort to reach young people

But now that is what is happening and with that success can be built and sustained.

What is more natural than young Irish people playing GAA....

Many millions will be generated by Dublin GAA in the years ahead which will help support the GAA, which will then support GAA clubs right across the country.

What ever we received we give back. Don't forget that folks... we generate a damn sight more than any other county.

But sure, that will fall on deaf ears.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 14/08/2014 15:39:46    1636878

People really think its simply money that makes the Dublin GAA tick?

That money is the only reason for success?

More than insulting to the '000s who put in endless hours building, running and maintaining clubs all over the county.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 14/08/2014 16:42:58    1636911

Excellent post Jimbodub Dublin are enjoying success at the moment because of alot of hard work,An exceptional bunch of footballers coming together at the time + a good coach.

Anyway you are right about Dublin receiving the most money and in turn Dublin contribute the most money,I think that is a fair assessment.

The GAA now need to ensure that the Dublin template is carried into every county in Ireland.

One thing i would state is "I would like to see less games played in Croker,Including a couple of Dub early championship games,If other counties/Towns got this revenue instead of Dublin City it might be easier to find sponsors in other counties.

shea (Kerry) - Posts: 409 - 14/08/2014 17:32:25    1636930

I agree with your lost shea. Would love to play anywhere in ireland in championship. One of the reasons I love the league.

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 14/08/2014 18:14:08    1636948

Have to agree, Sam Maguire can't be bought. If it could, every County would try it. Great structures and good players are one thing, but a genuinely brilliant manager is worth his weight. Jim Gavins role is under-played on this thread. He is what has made this team. He's turned good players into great ones,a few great ones into icons and turned a few entitled pups into very honest and humble men. Then he brings them together as a formidable unit. If there's anything underrated about this Dublin team it's their manager.

FullyForward (Kerry) - Posts: 13 - 14/08/2014 18:15:51    1636949

If you think Dublin should be receiving more games development funding (like a lot more funding) than whole provinces I despair.

The thing is Dublin will get better and better because the fruits won't even have been seen largely at senior level yet.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 14/08/2014 18:18:09    1636951

Are dublin overated? i couldn't give a damn what poster's from other counties think! as long as my county are winning im as happy as a fat kid in a cake shop!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 14/08/2014 18:23:20    1636953

This Dublin side have improved year on year and are certainly not overrated, they have won all Irelands so that cements their greatness in that respect, the manner in which Dublin won last year (by a single point) and the manner by which they have continued to progress this year proves their credentials and I don't believe people are over rating them. there are counties that believe that they can win the all Ireland and they should do, Donegal, Mayo and Kerry together with the Dubs, so no matter whether Dublin are under rated or over rated if Dublin don't play up to their best then some of these teams can beat them. Donegal in my view have the best chance, if, as I expect, Kerry beat mayo and if (50:50 on that)Dublin beat Donegal, then Dublin will be looking for a record score line in a Final v Kerry??

ochonlir1 (Cavan) - Posts: 88 - 14/08/2014 18:48:05    1636965

To answer the title question - No. The Dublin Region are not over estimated. They overcame three division 1 teams in the All-Ireland series last year. They have met a division 1 challenge yet this year but that's the way the cookie crumbles in championship. They will face a division 1 team in the final and based on last year, it's hard to see past them but hey, we'll see what the championship unfolds.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7879 - 14/08/2014 19:51:18    1636992

So let's crunch the numbers in the accounts. Dublin's revenue from the GAA's operating Payments to Clubs, Counties and Provinces in 2012 was €2,029,093. The total of these payments made to all counties was 10,789,770. So Dublin have received almost one-fifth of the GAA's outlay to go alongside their near €1,000,000 a year sponsorship deal.

Let's look at the figures more closely. Most of the €2,029,093 Dublin got was for Games Development. €1,588,001 the exact figure. Let's compare that to what whole provinces got for Games Development in 2012. Ulster got €1,216,815. Connacht got €770,071. Munster got €1,126,414 and rest of Leinster outside of Dublin got a paltry €115,469. I had to double check that figure it was so laughably small compared to Dublin.

So let's talk about what those figures mean. To put it simply Games Development grants are not meant to help Bernard Brogan or Colm Cooper to improve. What they are for is to try and find the next Bernard Brogan or the next Colm Cooper. Investment gets results and if the investment in Dublin far overreaches the investment in entire provinces who do you think will be the county with the best chance to produce the next Cooper or Brogan? Can other counties possibly hope to catch up with a County that is sponsored, invested and populated by a much greater amount of money & people?

The GAA needs a strong Dublin goes the old GAA chestnut and it's true but at what cost? The cost appears to be a competitive All-Ireland championship if current trends continue. Leinster is no longer competitive. Is the rest of Ireland next?


The above was all taken from a blog I read recently https://veryintobloggingveryintonewmedia.wordpress.com/

Jimbo goes on about Dublin being the way they are because of their own efforts. Well tell me this how is it fair Dublin clubs received 25% of total GAA revenue for clubs. Is it fair that the GAA funds so many development officers for them and not Meath/Kildare/Westmeath etc etc. No it's not and as outlined in the above is the reason why Dublin's utter dominance of Leinster will continue and prob extend to the AI series too.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 15/08/2014 18:08:21    1637386

Most of the €2,029,093 Dublin got was for Games Development. €1,588,001 the exact figure. Ulster got €1,216,815. Connacht got €770,071. Munster got €1,126,414 and rest of Leinster outside of Dublin got a paltry €115,469.

Can this be true?

Do Dublin get more for games development than the whole of Ulster or Munster. Do they get more than twice what Connacht get? Do they get nearly 14 times what the rest of Leinster get?

Surely not!!! This can't be right.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 15/08/2014 18:42:05    1637401

Jack Goff

Cork received most from central funding in 2013

Because they have the most clubs

A lot of Clubs in Dublin too you know

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 15/08/2014 19:05:20    1637409

Jack is that correct?? I knew it was more but by Jesus if its 14 times what rest of Leinster gets then I for one would be swung in a opposite direction than I've been in past.
Is this correct? If so then it has to be corrected immediately and if not perhaps a boycott or something should be considered by other Leinster counties and indeed other provinces. Suddenly the master doesn't seem so off they wall.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/08/2014 19:19:43    1637413

Once again

People talking about what we receive

How many millions have we generated?

We are the biggest brand the GAA has

We have by ourselves attracted sponsorship

This money is pumped back into development

We applied for a grant, we got it.

Just to be clear though...

Cork received the most from central funding in 2013

Counties with many clubs need funding

Both Cork/Dublin GAA is expensive

Thankfully Dublin being Dublin we are able to attract sponsors

Which goes a long way to running Dublin GAA

If that wasn't the case then more revenure would be required from central funding

But once again we have another empty vessel making the most noise

No one comes close to generating the type of revenue that Dublin GAA brings to the table

This revenue is spread far and wide

Yes we receive money... but we also generate vast sums of money that benefits everyone

People very conveniently forget that or perhaps they are just ignorant of the facts

The Dublin GAA brand is beneficial for everyone

There is nothing as fair as a county being itself

It's Dublin GAA that has attracted major sponsors

People have a problem with Dublin being itself

To me... that's completely unfair. We deserve to be where we are...

We had our worst decade in the history of Dublin GAA in the 00's

That wasn't going to last forever

Dublin GAA will continue to generate many millions for the GAA.

But that takes a lot of work and funding, we will continue to do this vital work for the benefit of everyone

Even though it's greatly under appreciated

Whatever we recieve, we generate back and them some

No other single county has that ability

Dublin will continue to be Dublin and with that I'd expect greater revenue to be generated from sponsorship in the near future

The Vodafobe, AIG deal was a master stroke by Dublin GAA considering the economic climate at that time

I'd fully expect a larger sum with the next deal and rightly so

This will be pumped back into games development that then benefits the entire association









What's the entire population of Ulster?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 15/08/2014 19:30:33    1637415

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Have to agree, Sam Maguire can't be bought. If it could, every County would try it. Great structures and good players are one thing, but a genuinely brilliant manager is worth his weight. Jim Gavins role is under-played on this thread. He is what has made this team. He's turned good players into great ones,a few great ones into icons and turned a few entitled pups into very honest and humble men. Then he brings them together as a formidable unit. If there's anything underrated about this Dublin team it's their manager


I don't think Jim Gavin is underated as a manager, certainly he has garnerd huge respect and credit from everywhere in the country for his tactical prowess.

I suppose when Jim Gavin first took over, he had Inherited an exceptionally strong Dublin team from Pat Gilroy. So the Initial National League title and Leinster title where dismissed as being more to do with his panel than his management skills. However it soon became clear that he had stamped his own style very clearly on this Dublin team.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 15/08/2014 19:37:03    1637419