Joxer
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Yes but their OVERALL spend including grant was proprtionately LESS than, for example, Mayo. The figures are there in black and white. So bearing in mind the size of Dublin, amount of clubs, football and hurling structures to support, how in God's name did Dublin only spend twice that of Mayo where the population is 10% that of Dublin with a fraction of the clubs and with an almost 100% focus on one code I should imagine?


Mate if you think one county should be getting development grants that are much larger than whole provinces then you're talking pony.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 13/08/2014 20:29:22    1636605

themaster you won't engage in it...

Sorry man

But you've been going on for months about Dublins finances

I'm merely pointing out that you're doing very well yourselves

Nearly 700,000 on one team in 2013...




Dublin spent 1.3 million on every single team at all grades men/female

So don't be playing the poor mouth fella

You're right at the top of the spending charts

Cork had more central funding than any other county in 2013

These are the facts




You're not responding because you don't have a leg to stand on

You couldn't even answer a yes or no question regarding this topic...

Don't be banging on about fairness... because you have significant investment yourselves

You've played many important games at home in Connacht over the last few years

So Im sorry man... but your own county according to your own logic

Let me state that again...

Using YOUR OWN LOGIC

Are enjoying many "unfair" advantages

So don't be playing the poor mouth

Is it fair that Mayo can spend close to 700,000 on their senior footballers, while being in substantial debt and greatly ignoring Hurling and then also playing most of your big Connacht championship games at home in the last few years

So is it fair?

Yes or No?

Using your own logic...

How can spending nearly just as much on your footballers as Dublin did in 2013 be fair?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 13/08/2014 20:36:12    1636607

Why are Dublin becoming dominant? - from Sunday Business Post recent article

"A look at Dublin's corporate dealings gives you an insight into the juggernaut they are. In an environment where even larger counties struggle to get a main sponsor at times, the capital, outside of their remarkable five-year, €4 million deal with AIG, have nine other official partners and counting. These range from Toyota providing kit vans and cars, to water suppliers, a health food provider, performance gear provider, a hotel partner, a menswear partner, a nutrition sponsor, and all the while they've Aer Lingus as official airline. Obviously that alone doesn't bring success but it does provide one of the three pillars that makes them too strong.
Outside of so much finance, they've the population too. Dublin not only has twice the number of people of Connacht and a greater population than Munster, it also has a greater population than the rest of Leinster and the Gaelic games playing community in the north.

In short, Dublin as a province would be the biggest in the country as Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown matches Kildare for numbers while Fingal and South Dublin have populations that only Antrim and Cork are greater than. In this area, there's a notion they've other sports to contend with but, relatively, name a GAA club in any town that doesn't.
Besides, where once money was pumped into Dublin due to a fear of Leinster rugby taking over swathes of the city, now the fear should be that rugby will take over large swathes of the rest of the province as others turn their backs on a game they can't compete in, never mind win at.

What completes the triangle for Dublin is testament to their organisation, as they've the structures in place too. They've put their money and size to good use as well as their ex-players as they've a network of facilities and coaches unmatched elsewhere. It's little wonder that back in 2011 their 'Blue Wave' document spoke of dominating the game at all levels, and they are well on the way. Other counties can indeed learn from the best, but they can never be the best because to mimic Dublin means they can only ever follow at a much slower pace, having started way behind.

Be sure to remember this isn't Kerry or Kilkenny in terms of glory as that's an argument as easy as it is flawed. Others can do what they've done and achieve just as much, but others can never do what Dublin have done. In the past they were flawed behind the scenes, and in the past the sport was different, but as the game becomes more about science than sweat and moves to a higher plane of professionalism, it'll expose the system more and pronounce Dublin's advantages more. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy too as the more they win, the more of its vast, young population will become interested in the sport, the more sponsors will want to be associated with a brand nearly as big as the GAA itself and the more they win again. Their dominance will become exponential."

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 13/08/2014 20:37:43    1636608

realman2
County: Kildare
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Joxer
County: Dublin
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Yes but their OVERALL spend including grant was proprtionately LESS than, for example, Mayo. The figures are there in black and white. So bearing in mind the size of Dublin, amount of clubs, football and hurling structures to support, how in God's name did Dublin only spend twice that of Mayo where the population is 10% that of Dublin with a fraction of the clubs and with an almost 100% focus on one code I should imagine?


Mate if you think one county should be getting development grants that are much larger than whole provinces then you're talking pony.
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Who said anything about grants, mate. The point from the Mayo poster was that Dublin are great because they spend a huge amount of money on full time coaches etc etc. Well I've posted the figures and proportionately in 2012 Dublin spent way less than Mayo bearing in mind amount of clubs, population and codes. In fact per head of population Dublin spent a small fraction of what Mayo spent. Simple as that.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 13/08/2014 20:57:31    1636617

Oh yes grants

Just to clue in the empty vessels

These "grants"

Are available to EVERYONE!

Dublin came up with a plan (obviously quite a profound and quite frankly highly intelligent plan)

Brought it to the powers that be.

They looked at it... obviously felt it worthy considering the positive impacts that including Children in sport can achieve

And then bit of red tape later

It got approved.

So that's how grants work....

A highly proactive venture got rewarded

What a scandal...!

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 13/08/2014 21:10:20    1636624

Ok so Dublin getting grants larger, as in twice as large as whole provinces is completely fine?

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 13/08/2014 21:17:24    1636632

Back to the topic ffs are Dublin overrated? Depends on what you are rating them against doesnt it? In Leinster miles ahead. In all Ireland they look the best, in terms of all time , well no one knows that only time will tell us that

theshamen (Mayo) - Posts: 129 - 13/08/2014 21:25:17    1636635

Gaelic football is strong in Dublin, I wish it could be strong in the other cities Limerick, Belfast, Galway, Waterford but alas that is not the case. Any true lover of the game should be delighted at the standard of football been played by Dublin at present and long may it continue. Other counties will come to that standard sooner or later. Dublin have won 3 senior ALL-Ireland in the last 30 years so nobody should worry about Dublin dominating football. Kerry won seven All-Irelands in nine years (1978-1986). Cavan is not the only county losing players at club level, Kerry are also losing players at club level but you can be sure Kerry will win All-Irelands in the coming years. Therefore it should not be an excuse for Cavan in not winning All-Irelands. Tyrone has possibly a similar playing population to Cavan and has won more minor All-Irelands than any other county in the last sixteen years,having won five. On the other hand Dublin have won only one Minor All-Ireland in the last 30 years. With reference to playing in Croke Park, I believe the games should be played in the grounds which promotes the games in the best possible way, provides the greatest income for the association and the stadium that has the capacity to accommodate the attendance. Kerry and Tyrone appear to love playing in Croke Park, the two most successful counties in recent years.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 13/08/2014 21:26:48    1636637

Man... unfortunately it costs what it costs

Every brass cent is accounted for

It's not like it's pumped into the football team!

Dublin has a massive population

It's a province in itself!

So of course it's a perfectly reasonable figure

Think..........

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 13/08/2014 21:35:45    1636642

Man... unfortunately it costs what it costs

Every brass cent is accounted for

It's not like it's pumped into the football team!

Dublin has a massive population

It's a province in itself!

So of course it's a perfectly reasonable figure

Think..........



Ha, so Dublin are a province playing against counties. Well done on your success lads. I don't know how ye do it.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 13/08/2014 21:41:29    1636647

To say Meath aren't rebuilding is ludicrous. Yes we not as far down the road as we thought.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/08/2014 08:58:34    1636673

realman2
County: Kildare
Posts: 147

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Man... unfortunately it costs what it costs

Every brass cent is accounted for

It's not like it's pumped into the football team!

Dublin has a massive population

It's a province in itself!

So of course it's a perfectly reasonable figure

Think..........



Ha, so Dublin are a province playing against counties. Well done on your success lads. I don't know how ye do it.
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Well realman, you must suffer terrible pangs of guilt when Kildare play the likes of Louth with half its population. Maybe if Kildare invested as much money into GAA as it does into horse racing you'd enjoy more success.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 14/08/2014 09:15:56    1636677

Casually looking in at this argument its clear everyone from the master to Dublin posters seems to be experts on the other counties finances...grow up. I think Mayo are doing very well in the current climate and are very good at drumming up funding for the county team considering our population and loss of young people. Dublin play to their strengths, what should they do, "oh we better not invest and make the most of our strengths becasue it might upset someone else. There may be an issue in the coming years where Dublin have 40 or so full time coaches and a county Like Roscommon has only one but that is for the GAA to sort out.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11237 - 14/08/2014 09:20:28    1636679

Realman

What's the population of Monaghan?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 14/08/2014 09:20:59    1636680

Well realman, you must suffer terrible pangs of guilt when Kildare play the likes of Louth with half its population. Maybe if Kildare invested as much money into GAA as it does into horse racing you'd enjoy more success.

Maybe we would, luckily for Dublin they don't have to raise the money. Central Council gives them double what whole provinces are getting while their sponsorship deal is worth 12 times a year say what Meath are getting. A lovely setup.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 14/08/2014 09:55:43    1636693

Don't play the poor mouth. There is plenty of money in kildare and it is invested in other sports. The amou t that those involved in GAA in Dublin get per capita is less than a lot of other counties.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 14/08/2014 11:48:23    1636754

Liamwalkinstown
County: Dublin
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1635593 BTW.....If Kerry ship a hiding V Mayo and as a result JOD doesnt get POTY, next in line has to be James McCarthy. Immense all year.

I can assure you Kerry will Ship no hiding against Mayo. I was at the League match in castlebar this year, excellent and enjoyable game it was Nip & Tuck right up til near the end when Mayo tacked on a few scores and pulled through by 5 points. This is a developing Kerry Team improving all the time I expect it to go down to the wire and hopefully Mayo will come out the right side of the result. Hopefully it will be a classic game played at a High Intensity and this will benefit the winner going into the final ..... Maybe the winner (Hopefully Mayo) would then be in a position to give Dublin / Donegal a game in the final. Obviously if Donegal some how manage to beat this invincible Dublin Team then Donegal will favourites but hopefully the winners of Mayo/Kerry will be able to give the winners of Dublin / Donegal a game in the final

belmay (Mayo) - Posts: 172 - 14/08/2014 11:52:01    1636757

Don't play the poor mouth. There is plenty of money in kildare and it is invested in other sports. The amou t that those involved in GAA in Dublin get per capita is less than a lot of other counties.

Fair enough, Kildare are a poor footballing county and we should be better but let's face it Dublin aren't having to put in their own money. Kildare have a raceday in Punchestown to fund the senior team. Donegal had a bloody CURRY night. Do the Dublin senior team even need to bother since they're such a cash cow through sponsorship?

These arguments go round & round. Look at the end of the day the way it looks to me is no one will compete with Dublin over the next 10 years because they dominate at both senior and u-21 level and dominante leinster at minor level. If they dominate like I predict no one will go to matches. Even Dubs will lose interest. Change will have to come. Counties will have to spilt and amalgamate and the GAA will need to cut investment in Dublin and spread it to weaker counties.

I dont think Dublin's dominance is the only problem in the GAA. Player welfare is a another problem. The terrible standard of almost every gaa ground apart from Croke Park I think is a completely ignored problem. But Dubs on this forum in particular are in see no evil, hear no evil mode and are completely failing to see the bigger picture. Last year they were saying Meath people would never complain about Dublin's dominance. Now that Meath people are complaining they say Kerry people would never complain. Basically Dublin posters just attack the county of whoever posts an argument that conflicts with Dublin's interests.

The GAA overfunded Dublin as a look over their accounts would tell anyone with a brain but in the end that just brought about a problem quicker that was always going to be needed to be resolved anyway.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 14/08/2014 12:19:28    1636771

Dublin won the AI last year but that's no means a foregone conclusion they will win it this year. Thats what makes sport great , those moments of magic. Yes we have a strong team but we could be beaten by any of the last three teams left.
Monaghan had a bad day at the semi final, shipping two goals in rapid succession killed them. You'd swear Dublin team were winning the AI every year, its Dublin's time in the Sun but that will end, even the great Kerry team of the 70s had its day.

You'd swear the Dublin county board were going around every country parish to rob the local club lotto fund by the way some posters are going on here. The fact is that Dublin are net contributors to the GAA, they generate a lot of cash that gets ploughed back into every county.

The Dublin county board recognized the rise of rugby and the continuing dominance of soccer in Dublin at youth level. They took steps to promote the sport. Its great to see all of the kids walking round Dublin with Hurls something that was definitely in decline.
When I go to my local club nursery theres kids there from all ethnic backgrounds playing the game because its seen to be cool.
These are not kids with Irish parents but they are playing because they are being encouraged to do so by the Dublin brand and the clubs sending in coaches to the schools. The GAA is the largest youth development organization in the country.

spmccann (Dublin) - Posts: 209 - 14/08/2014 12:26:51    1636777

Are dublin over-rated?? NO!! No they are not.. End of discussion.. Silly topic..

joeybartonIII (Cavan) - Posts: 26 - 14/08/2014 12:40:28    1636788