PoolSturgeon
County: Galway
Posts: 66

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Fire in Belly, I'll offer you a theory. I dont know if it's a valid one of not but it's a way of looking at it. Hurling people...we are very navel..we like to do our talking on dedicated hurling sites. Unfortunately there's not too many of them around anymore. To me Hoganstand is primarily a football site. Id be more inclined to browse on it than comment or get involved. Perhaps there are more hurling buffs out there like me. We tend to focus more on our own county rather than getting involved in the general forum. But even in the county forums on this site football tends to predominate so it is less appealing for people who are purely into hurling to get involved.So really , what's left for us is to talk about hurling in the pub and leave the internet forums to the football heads!

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Good honest answer PoolSturgeon, cheers.
I have a feeling the following and the interest for serious debate are there, just wondered why it's very limited here on HS.
It would probably teach me a lot more about Hurling if some quality threads did pop up.
Still, the pub is as good as anywhere!

fire_in_belly (Donegal) - Posts: 59 - 12/08/2014 18:00:00    1635865

Flack
What's your problem pal?
Where did I display any sense of having a chip on my shoulder.
What I did was point out the simple fact that all sports have skills that are conducted to the rules of their games so you cannot determine which is a more skillful skill.
As for your one example what about the point or goal scoring skill or the fitness skill or if you use rugby surely they have the skill of being the strongest sport but as I'm saying you couldn't be as physically strong in Gaelic football as you would loose out on the necessary stamina skill to get up and down the pitch

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/08/2014 18:19:31    1635879

Poolsturgeon,you could be right.There are,however,a hardcore of hurling posters on this site.Some of them are excellent,and i like engaging with them,and picking their brains.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 12/08/2014 18:30:52    1635885

Tipp, cork and clare all have very active forums of their own and that would be one reason as to why there is very little talk on here by them counties.

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 353 - 12/08/2014 18:45:57    1635894

True tipp11.I would imagine those county websites are quite insular.I think its good to engage with posters from all over the country,in both football and hurling.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 12/08/2014 18:53:01    1635900

hill16no1man

also the gaa realised problems in football and attempt to improve them areas
where as in hurling its almost a sin to dare admit the problems or bad points.
one of the worst sights on a gaa pitch happens in hurling when you get these rugby like scrums
i think its horrible to see and its happening more and more throughout games.
you also have the madness of fist pumping every free thats one,like you just scored a goal or something
and one more thing that is strange and always hated seeing is the big thick drive it
where the full back comes out after winning a ball and just aimlessly pucks the ball 60-70 yards
down the field straight to the opposing defender
it gets a huge cheer from the crowd when actually its one of the worst things you can do
as your giving the other team time to look up and pick out their players.

I wouldn't argue with you on any of those points, probably the worst is the embarressing fist pumping after the ref has blown a free, but there are eejits playing every sport.

The 80 yard full back lamp is probably a fading "skill" thank god, most people cheering when it is exectuted are probably used to an ancient form of the sport.

The rugby like scrums are usually as a result of poor refereing, illegal use of the hand, on the body, arm or hurley. in real time it looks like incidental contact or poor first touch, but its not.

But I have to disagree on the levels of skill and touch required to play hurling as opposed to football they are oceans apart.

I don't think football fans and pundits know what they want from the game unlike hurling they are a more contented lot.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 12/08/2014 19:43:30    1635943

"I don't think football fans and pundits know what they want from the game unlike hurling they are a more contented lot"

best comment on here in a long time. I really dont know what football fans want from their game? the spout on about "traditional football". That tripe on TG4 where fellas are punching each other, and more or else palming the ball into the goals and over the bar is absolute crap. I think back then as well as with hurling it was not very entertaining but essentialy a day out and traditional rivalry fuled it more than an apealling past time. Nowadays football followers dont really know what they want thei sport to be.

Id be a firm beleiver in the jim macguinnes mantra. Not defencive but definitely in the idea that when you cant go 15 on 15 because you simply do not have the players you try to outsmart your opponet and set traps and plays in the game. But my opinions on football matters are about as insightful as the brittish "twitterati" and their reaction to gaelic games, interesting yes but rather shallow

Fishermantom (Limerick) - Posts: 569 - 15/08/2014 20:23:36    1637442

Tough weekend. No football.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 15/08/2014 20:31:37    1637445

On the skills issue Ive had late comers as a coach come to both codes, got a thirteen year old no gaa background Now a Dublin player under 16 football , you cannot do the same with hurling and lord knows Ive tried , we brought in a genius of a coach who gave practical one to one tuition to lads who joined late and it by and large was impossible .
Accepting that certain skills are more refined and harder to teach is not an acceptance that one code is better or more exciting , but you have guys like Hill who have no objectivity and wont move an inch and cant see the wood for the trees .
Another point raised earlier that Id like to address the cynical hurling foul of last week versus the Sean Cavanagh foul . Firstly last week I was quite surprised that there wasn't more outrage over it a reason Id feel for that was that it didn't cost anyone the game , had it been a two points down last minute issue an angrier reaction Im sure would have ensued .
The Sean Cavangh tackle had a major bearing on the outcome , factor into that Brollys comments and yes it went wild but it was not the media that built it into a frenzy as Hill suggests it was Hill it was me , it was everyone on HS , it was ex players , it was current players it was GAA people .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 16/08/2014 10:53:52    1637522

damothedub

why you having a big go at me in your post?
i cant see the wood from the trees thats rich
its the hurling analysts who refuse to admit their ills
we had two very clear cynical fouls in championship matches
kilkenny against galway in the dying minutes that gave a penalty
and last week a strike and cycnical foul all in one and what do they say well he may have got a second yellow
but he had to do it!!!
by your attitude that the sean cavanagh one counts more just because it influenced the scoreline is ridiculous and its burying your head in the sand that it ok to do it if the outcome aint effected as much.
then you have a hurling review survey come out this week and the overall majority involved were dead against
a black card being introduced. if you cant be honest and admit the same fouls happen in both codes then its pointless
trying to improve the game.
as for your suggestion on skills. any child could be better at one sport than another
some find hurling easier some find footballer easier to pick up
also theres a huge dimension that leads you to try harder in one than another
and that clearly is that you will try harder at the one you prefer
thats what these hurling only mindsets cannot understand
its like they cannot see any logical reason somebody would prefer football over hurling
and if you do well thats the last they want to hear from you regarding hurling.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/08/2014 13:30:35    1637575

unlike pool I am dual and the skill required to play gaelic football is very underrated. to a lot of hurling only people hurling is a bit of a delicacy and here in galway most hurling only people never support our footballers notwithstanding that our tradition in the big ball game is better, longer and more successful. far more football people in galway take an interest in hurling matters and this was exemplified in 2012 when the football town of tuam was the best decked out colour wise far better than hurling strongholds like athenry, gort and portumna. I love both games but find some hurling people snobbish about the game to the point that they forget the wider gaa family. some people often question our football support but the reality is that half the county is hurling and the city was always flaky to both codes in fairness. sure kerry, donegal and mayo are football only and the fact all three are going well for now brings on additional interest although with much varying degree between these three counties. my summation of hurling and football difference in terms of the codes themselves is that in hurling the ball does most of the work whereas in football the player does most of it. having played both I can tell winning the ball in football is far more than winning the ball with all other aspects skills in themselves.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1947 - 16/08/2014 13:31:03    1637576

Hill you do the Twist better than Chubby Checker , read my post again I was giving a SUGGESTION as to MAYBE why there wasnt a bigger reaction to the hurling foul , NEVER did I give an opinion that one was worse than the other .you posted on media reaction in that context is how I was discussing , now duck thats a branch coming your way .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 16/08/2014 14:42:31    1637608

Damothedub
County: Dublin
Posts: 2053

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Hill you do the Twist better than Chubby Checker , read my post again I was giving a SUGGESTION as to MAYBE why there wasnt a bigger reaction to the hurling foul , NEVER did I give an opinion that one was worse than the other .you posted on media reaction in that context is how I was discussing , now duck thats a branch coming your way .


i do the twist your the one who came on this thread to lambaste me!!
for what reason other than having an opinion.
your typifying the hurling only type as immediatly when somebody points out failings in the game
the lock down and enemy attitude applies from you to me.
you were justifying the lack of attention it was given
and the simple fact is that the media have a clear agenda but what most dont actually realise is
ireland dont run the media as we dont have a national media base
its all british owned, so therefore maybe the agenda comes from the british as they identify gaelic football as a threat
to the wall to wall coverage of english soccer and are maybe targeting it for negative publicity.
hurling has a lot of failings and the pundits refuse to admit them as they have the same mentality that it must be a cardinal sin
if they do so.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/08/2014 17:53:10    1637686