Counties run their championships as they see fit. There's a history and tradition of it. The arrival of an All-Ireland club championship on the scene was no need to change that. I suppose the All-Ireland championship possibly influenced the start of the Club Championship in some ways.
Tipperary if they wanted to could nominate a club. As can any county.
When Séamus Moynihan captained Kerry. His divisional club East Kerry had won the County Championship and his club Glenflesk had won the East Kerry Championship.
As I've said already - Some get it. Some don't. Enjoy ye're respective championships lads! ;)

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 21/10/2014 20:32:51    1665943

legend its an unfair advantage in your own words hahahahahahaha
maybe their should be a thread started on it hahaha
seriously though if it wasnt your own county id say you would be saying its a bit silly.
it reminds of me of the farce of letting ucd play in the dublin championship
i remember they won it before going back a few years
and the next week they played rhode and niall mcnammee had been their star player in the final
the following week he lined out for rhode against ucd and kicked the winner for rhode
against a ucd side that was almost unrecognisable from the one that lined out the week before
becuase they had all gone back to play in their own clubs

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/10/2014 11:26:04    1666049

"Tipperary if they wanted to could nominate a club. As can any county".

No so Legend. Neither Tipp or Wexford will have teams in their respectives provinces since their championships will not be finished in time to enter the provincal championships. It used to be the case that a team could be nominated but that is no longer the case.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2991 - 22/10/2014 11:46:27    1666056

For those of you asking how the Kerry Championships work, this is how it is

Kerry run Novice, Junior, Inter and Senior Club Championships like in every other county.

The clubs who are Senior also play on their own in the Senior County Championship, the blue ribbon competition. The Novice, Junior and Intermediate clubs join up in order to form the amalgamation sides. (For instance Killian Young plays his club football with a Novice/ Junior Club called Reenard in South Kerry, and then plays in the Senior County Championship for South Kerry. He will also play with his club Reenard in the Novice/ Junior Championship)

The divisional/ amalgamation teams work in Kerry because of a couple of reasons. Firstly, players take great pride in being good enough to play with their division and secondly, the senior clubs know that they have to be of a certain standard to not only survive at senior but need to be a very good side in order to win the Senior County Championship.

If a club team win the Senior Championship, they go through to Munster. If a division win it then it reverts to the Club Championship winners

Kerry players play in all championships, there is never a case where a division/ amalgamation or a club will play in any championship game without their Kerry players (unless serious injury).

The County League is county wide and has 5 divisions of 12 teams, run off on a 3 up, 3 down English soccer basis. You can have a junior club like Dromid in Division One along with teams like Crokes and Stacks. Kerry players are usually available for the first 3 to 4 games of the league and clubs are not required to play their final 2 games in the league without their Kerry players (ie the comp goes on within the summer months without the Kerry players)

At this point, the Novice, Junior, Inter and Senior Club Championships are all complete. The Minor and Senior Championship finals are this weekend, the following weekend see the last round of the county league. Following that, the county boards business is complete for the year.

Defullback10 (Kerry) - Posts: 13 - 22/10/2014 13:46:21    1666104

Defullback10
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Kerry players play in all championships, there is never a case where a division/ amalgamation or a club will play in any championship game without their Kerry players (unless serious injury).

Is that the case with the divisional championships too? How do they work? A friend of mine from Gneegvilla told me that it is simply everybody's first team drawn against each other for East Kerry championship - in other words players from Listry or Fossa could be up against the Gooch...is that true or would Dr Crokes just play these games without them if they were away with Kerry?

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 22/10/2014 14:07:01    1666116

20/10/2014 09:27:42 legendzxix
Dr Crokes won the Senior Club final yesterday. If Mid Kerry beat Austin Stacks in next weekend's County final, Dr Crokes will be in the Munster Championship! Should Austin Stacks not go into munster championship as club who went furthest in county championship but there still be a club championship to be played and that champion decide county representatives when both county finalists are divisional sides?
20/10/2014 09:44:12 hill16no1man
that has to be the most ridiculous championship going It isn't really. What's ridiculous about it?
20/10/2014 10:27:10 Westfester
How is it ridiculous? As long as Divisional teams are not allowed represent counties in provincial championships then some other way of picking a representative club has to be found.
All senior clubs in Kerry enter the club championship and it gives that competition added meaning if the winners have a chance of going on to Munster cship.
The only other option would be to put through the last club team standing in the county cship - Austin Stacks this year- but that would get messy if say 2 club teams lost to divisional teams at the semifinal stage and you would need a playoff. Fair point
20/10/2014 10:40:54
Soma
When you look at the situation in other counties like Armagh, Galway and Roscommon, with one club dominating and terribly one sided finals, maybe more counties should consider having divisional teams. I think the competitive club scene is a major reason for Kerrys intercounty success. But clubs in most counties wouldn't dare dream of going into a divisional team set up where some of their own lads mightn't get on the pitch. We could badly do with a few divisional teams at senior grade in hurling in Tipperary and then have much stronger junior and intermediate grade championships

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/10/2014 14:37:01    1666128

North, South, East, West and Mid have their own divisional championship. These are run off in late Oct Nov time and with the time of year, this becomes a great leveller. All teams within the district, regardless of there county level ranking, are placed into the hat and you could see Crokes play Fossa or Scart. In these games Crokes may "rest" one or two but in general, its full strength teams. The district championships throw up some unlikely winners from time to time. Duagh won a North Kerry championship a few years ago, Keel and Glenbeigh have on Mid Kerrys in recent years. Both of these districts would have division one teams as well as Senior clubs within the district. These championships are taken seriously. There is no link to the county with these

Defullback10 (Kerry) - Posts: 13 - 22/10/2014 15:46:08    1666164

all their short of doing is letting the minor and under 21 kerry teams play in at this rate

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/10/2014 17:08:04    1666206

It's surprising colleges that win a county championship are entered in the provincial championships. I'd class them as being the same as divisional clubs, even higher possibly as their players could be from numerous senior club championships. If county championships want to allow them, that's their own business.

I can understand some people's disagreement on divisional clubs. I suppose it's down to history and tradition. Cork have divisional clubs as well. I cannot speak of any other counties.

In a hurling context, it'd be like a number of lower tier counties entering as an amalgamation into the McCarthy Cup. The players would also play for their counties at their level. If their county gained promotion to the top tier, the county would exit the amalgamated group. There is actually an argument for that in hurling but that's another discussion.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 22/10/2014 18:56:03    1666255

22/10/2014 17:08:04
hill16no1man
all their short of doing is letting the minor and under 21 kerry teams play in at this rate That's unfair and ignorant of how well Kerry run their championships which are ran very well
22/10/2014 18:56:03 legendzxix
It's surprising colleges that win a county championship are entered in the provincial championships. I'd class them as being the same as divisional clubs, even higher possibly as their players could be from numerous senior club championships. If county championships want to allow them, that's their own business.
I can understand some people's disagreement on divisional clubs. I suppose it's down to history and tradition. Cork have divisional clubs as well. I cannot speak of any other counties.
In a hurling context, it'd be like a number of lower tier counties entering as an amalgamation into the McCarthy Cup. The players would also play for their counties at their level. If their county gained promotion to the top tier, the county would exit the amalgamated group. There is actually an argument for that in hurling but that's another discussion. Colleges would be different to divisional sides though. What is eligibility requirements to play for a college in a club championship?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/10/2014 20:17:50    1666281

Was reading weebox post slating Armagh club football and Armagh Harps. Thought it should be pointed out that Cross have only lost once in Ulster in last 8 years and once in Armagh in championship football in the same period. The loss last year against Kilcoo was after a replay and extra time when they had half a team injured. The standard in the whole of Ulster must be poor.

Armaghball (Armagh) - Posts: 96 - 22/10/2014 21:06:02    1666299

In Cork, UCC/CIT are allowed to pick their players from Cork clubs that are not senior (of which there are plenty) and any club outside the county. Players that are no longer in the University but are graduates of less than two years ago. To me this is taking the p$%s. Seamus Moynihan once played Sigerson with Tralee (a bit suspicious as well) and Cork championsip with UCC.

This year, Conor Dorman, Thomas Clancy and Brian Shanahan were an all Cork half back line when they won the Sigerson. Clancy was eligible to play with them in the county championship as his club Fermoy are intermediate. The other two have senior clubs in Cork hence are not eligible. Clancy could have played in the senior championship with Avondhu (North Cork divisional side). Neither Avondhu or UCC play in senior league. UCC are seen as a 'club' and Avondhu are not. UCC and CIT serve no purpose in the county championship and if it were up to me, I would kick them out.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 22/10/2014 21:08:06    1666301

West Kerry and Dr Crokes were battling it out in a County semi-final a few years ago. A number of players on both side were also involved with UCC in their Munster Championship campaign.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 23/10/2014 18:27:33    1666653

Entertaining matches on TG4 today. Ballygunner staged an heroic comeback against Cratloe but fell short in the end.
Austin stacks and Mid Kerry played out a cracker, but the game was ruined (for me anyway) by the refs outright refusal to issue a black card.
There were at least 4 black card offences, all of which resulted in yellows.
Cynicism will continue until refs start punishing it. Hopefully someone has a word with him.
Anyway, the game ended in a draw.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 26/10/2014 20:20:23    1667347

Yeah, twas a draw. Has the black card been abandoned or something? Some blatant ones today. Badly missed free by Mid Kerry. Woeful.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 26/10/2014 21:25:30    1667368

legendzxix:
Have to agree with no black cards, some very blatant and obvious ones. Aside from that the TG4 reception from Walshe Park was a disaster at times.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 27/10/2014 10:25:49    1667397

Yesterday's semi between Glenties and Glenswilly was very close with the difference being Michael Murphy and Neil Gallagher. Michael Murphy wad at his brilliant beat and even though he was marked by 3 players still won almost every ball and scored one beauty of the outside of the boot.
He played almost all the game at full forward too. The final against Eunans will be interesting. St Eunans don't play a defensive game whereas Glenswilly play very defensively. Going to be a war of attrition.

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 27/10/2014 10:26:20    1667398

26/10/2014 21:25:30
legendzxix
County: Kerry
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1667368
Yeah, twas a draw. Has the black card been abandoned or something? Some blatant ones today. Badly missed free by Mid Kerry. Woeful.

Was thinking the same. The tackle on Darran O'Sullivan near the end was the most blatant black card ever. Stacks ran out of steam at the end.

Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 27/10/2014 15:44:27    1667497

I think I understand the Kerry situation. But here's a question. Counties can't nominate a team if their championship isn't finished. Say the Kerry club championship is finished, but the main event, the senior championship, isn't. (Say for example that there's an objection to one of the semi-finals and so this weekend's final replay can't go ahead.) Can Kerry nominate club champions Dr Croke's for Munster? Is there anything to stop another county whose championship is delayed from declaring "Club XYZ won the Such-and-such Cup this year, and so they are our county's nominees for the provincial club championship"?

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1042 - 28/10/2014 14:11:16    1667756

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Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1042 - 29/10/2014 12:12:52    1668003