08/03/2015 21:54:58 fabio8
in what way does the annual wooden spoon game in the 6 nations make rte lots of money tell me?...provide some facts please Advertising revenue from 6Nations is huge for RTE. Google it if you want to know.

09/03/2015 09:10:57 bennybunny
Yes, if this happens then fair enough. People that are misbehaving should be expelled. It is possible that if alcohol sales were restricted/prohibited there would still be people arriving tanked up from a local hostelry and causing a nuisance. Alcohol doesn't cause messing per se as the majority can drink away and not be any trouble. Abusing the alcohol is the issue.
I do not buy the civil liberties argument. The associations simply want to get an extra revenue stream. This is their right and there will always be a demand so they are exploiting it. The associations (IRFU, GAA etc) are not responsible for society's ills.
Without being prudish, I find it disappointing that the GAA has started to expand its alcohol sales. As I mentioned, there are loads of places to get a drink and watch the game. It is for an hour and a half and one is being provided with entertainment. I could expand the argument to use any number of philosophers from any basic study of modern Political thought but whats the point.
Stopping people abusing alcohol is easy. If there is people doing that. you stop serving and if they cause trouble the stewards have right to remove them from the ground but you cannot stop people from drinking or purchasing in ground in the desire to stop hypothetical scenarios from happening. I think you are being very prudish. Somebody shouldn't be limited from having a drink watching game in ground if they want one

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 10/03/2015 12:07:15    1701208

09/03/2015 11:11:06 GreenandRed
Mediaman I think I have an answer to why there is a camogie kit wearing schoolgirl in the out-of-control drinking campaign. I went on their site rolemodels.ie and submitted something. The camogie girl is not being portrayed as a heavy drinker but rather the relative of an alcoholic. She's not on a good place as she's indirectly affected by alcoholism. I know it's annoying to many that Rugby gets more media coverage than GAA and that drinking is not the topic here but it it is a big problem nonetheless. Fergus Finlay, head of Barnardos, an honorable man I think, is one of the heads of this campaign. I don't believe they're painting Camogie or GAA in a negative light. Indeed the GAA have been involved in responsible drinking iniatives. I would encourage anyone interested to check out the rolemodels site and see what ye think, maybe post something there. We're a week away from one of if not the the biggest out of control drinking day of the year. Helps focus on what is important. Of course GAA isn't being portrayed in a bad light.
09/03/2015 20:37:38 mediaman
The 'Out of Control' drinking ad clearly implies that the problem of excessive drinking has links to camogie/hurling. Considering the huge drink culture surrounding rugby union and the fact that Guinness and the Irish Rugby Union Players Association are behind the campaign wouldn't you think it would have featured a young rugby player. Someone sat down and decided to protect the image of rugby in this ad at the expense of a sport that has absolutely no history of out of control drinking. None of this happens by chance. Camogie is a soft target. The Camogie Association deserves an apology for this shameful act of image assassination. This is why people are so suspicious of who is behind these campaigns.You imply that it does but considering you have a vendetta against all media and immediately think all in RTE/Irish print media want to portray the GAA as bad and other sports as good you would see that in the way you have
Are you trying to imply rugby people are behind this? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Mediaman get yourself a blog. Post all your anti RTE/Rugby posts and see what responses you get.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 10/03/2015 12:11:22    1701213

What a lazy reply!
You made an excuse for your ignorance of the rules in Croke Park about drink not being allowed in the stands or terrace by saying you were never stopped. I have a couple of questions for you.
Have you been to Gaa games in Croke Park?
At what game were you drinking alcohol in your seat?
If so did you buy it in the bars there?
Did you not see the large sighs outlining where alcohol could or could not be consumed?

I would appreciate a reply as this information could be difficult to find on Google.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 944 - 10/03/2015 12:26:45    1701223

ormondbannerman
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I could expand the argument to use any number of philosophers from any basic study of modern Political thought but whats the point.

I can easily answer that question. It would show that you have a basic grasp of the concept of what a civil liberty is. Your posts seem to suggest that you have no clue what so ever.

I asked you a simple question in the other post but you did not answer.

Don't use big words and big concepts when you don't have the ability to fully process them.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 10/03/2015 12:47:02    1701238

An expert on civil liberties and political thought is what we have on our hands now I see ;)

Not since Runnymeade have we had such a hero to defend the rights of man!!!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 10/03/2015 13:44:41    1701279

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County: Dublin
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Not since Runnymeade have we had such a hero to defend the rights of man!!! [/I]

Homo Rugbius to be more exact..

10/03/2015 12:26:45
Westfester
What a lazy reply! You made an excuse for your ignorance of the rules in Croke Park about drink not being allowed in the stands or terrace by saying you were never stopped. I have a couple of questions for you.
Have you been to Gaa games in Croke Park?
At what game were you drinking alcohol in your seat?
If so did you buy it in the bars there?
Did you not see the large sighs outlining where alcohol could or could not be consumed?
I would appreciate a reply as this information could be difficult to find on Google. What was lazy about the reply given. Of course ive been to games in Croke Park. Last game I went to that I was actually drinking at, in my seat was the 2012 semi final when we got hockeyed by KK when TJ Reid got a handful of goals. Yes I did buy beer at ground in ground and drank at my seat

10/03/2015 13:44:41 MesAmis
An expert on civil liberties and political thought is what we have on our hands now I see ;)
Not since Runnymeade have we had such a hero to defend the rights of man!!! Where did I say expert? No need to be a d***

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 10/03/2015 14:36:05    1701321

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 9391

Me a d***. Get yourself a mirror bud.

Ormo:" I could expand the argument to use any number of philosophers from any basic study of modern Political thought but whats the point."

Civil liberties restricted by not being allowed a drink in certain circumstances? Mon dieu!

I'd suggest you'd read those philosopher's and their thoughts on what civil liberties are again if your conclusion that is that alcohol restrictions are restricting your basic rights!!!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 10/03/2015 15:04:05    1701337

bennybunny
County: Cork
Posts: 2742

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MesAmis
County: Dublin
Posts: 8351



Not since Runnymeade have we had such a hero to defend the rights of man!!! [/I]

Homo Rugbius to be more exact.

Ha! Very good.

As one Popey once told us "a little learning is a dangerous thing!"

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 10/03/2015 15:06:52    1701338

Another good example tonight of RTE's disregard for football and hurling. As well as the Fitzgibbon Cup Final Replay there are 4 U-21 football games involving 8 counties across 3 provinces. All 5 games feature established inter-county players but once again RTE fails its Public Service remit by deciding not to give updates on its website of any of the 5 games. They could however afford to send a camera crew for a full day to the Ireland U-20's rugby union training session as shown on Against the Head and of course live coverage follows at the weekend another huge cost to the licence payer. Underage hurlers and footballers obviously aren't as important to RTE Sport as their rugby union counterparts. By the way you will also however get updates on the RTE website on tonight's crucial English Div.2 soccer game between Blackburn and Bolton. What was that about cherishing all the children of the nation equally?

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 11/03/2015 20:22:01    1701859

11/03/2015 20:22:01 mediaman
Another good example tonight of RTE's disregard for football and hurling. As well as the Fitzgibbon Cup Final Replay there are 4 U-21 football games involving 8 counties across 3 provinces. All 5 games feature established inter-county players but once again RTE fails its Public Service remit by deciding not to give updates on its website of any of the 5 games. They could however afford to send a camera crew for a full day to the Ireland U-20's rugby union training session as shown on Against the Head and of course live coverage follows at the weekend another huge cost to the licence payer. Underage hurlers and footballers obviously aren't as important to RTE Sport as their rugby union counterparts. By the way you will also however get updates on the RTE website on tonight's crucial English Div.2 soccer game between Blackburn and Bolton. What was that about cherishing all the children of the nation equally? Disregard for Gaelic and Hurling. hahaha

If you think that RTE have a "disregard for football and hurling" then why not do something about it. Posting here will not bring the change you want.
Why don't you write previews and send them into RTE asking them to publish them if it isn't happening already. Huge cost to taxpayer to show u20 game... If you think RTE are biased do something about it as posting here wont bring about the change you desire

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/03/2015 20:36:51    1701865

agree with mediaman re disgraceful "Out of Control" What do you expect Diagio will protect their investment in rugby and of course the IRUPA are also represented. They will control the agenda it is naïve to assume otherwise. The objective of alcohol companies is to maximise their profits. Harm from alcohol is a public health issue, which is fundamentally at odds with the objectives of Diagio.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 11/03/2015 20:55:59    1701874

Good idea Ormo , maybe a blog too?

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 11/03/2015 21:04:41    1701878

Ormond if you watched the under 20 game you would have seen there was a poor crowd, even Ryle said (through gritted teeth) there was a poor crowd. You can never admit when you are wrong. You have the childish attitude that if you are not as much a rugby cheerleader as you are then you must be against rugby. I was speaking as someone who likes to go to rugby matches and finds it very annoying when a penalty is about to be taken someone wants to get past you as the are going to the bar. If you go to a play or concert the bar will be closed once the event starts and only open again when at the interval and the end of the show or in the case of Croke park where you rightfully cannot bring drink to your seat. I like a lot of others have made a number of complaints to Rte already as has been gone through here loads of time. What money do Rte make from showing the tries on the news from the wooden spoon game, virtually every county in the northern half of the republic including my own play in the bottom 3 divisions in hurling where a lot of people in these counties pay a fortune in tv licenses to Rte.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 11/03/2015 21:30:46    1701886

A lot more people are going to see this thread then are going to see any blog mediaman has with all due respect to him. Those Guinness rugby adds would make you more sick then having a feed of the stuff the are selling.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 11/03/2015 21:43:45    1701890

Am I the only one that is entirely embarrassed by this continuous commemoration of Munster beating a second string All Black team in a midweek game all of 37 years ago . It us a cringe inducing ad. As is the fact that plays and books have been written about the match . Let it go for God's sake .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 11/03/2015 21:59:06    1701901

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Am I the only one that is entirely embarrassed by this continuous commemoration of Munster beating a second string All Black team in a midweek game all of 37 years ago .

A 2 nd string Side?? Of the all Blacks side that day which was Brian McKechnie, Stu Wilson, Bruce Robertson (replaced by Bill Osborne), Lyn Jaffray, Bryan Wiliams, Eddie Dunn, Mark Donaldson, Ash McGregor, Wayne Graham, Graham Mourie (captain), Andy Haden, Frank Oliver, Gary Knight, John Black, Brad Johnstone.

Wilson Osborne Williams Donaldson Johnstone Haden Oliver Mourie played the test against ireland the following saturday and Black and Dunn were on the Bench - (only 5 munster players played), Robertson played all remining tests, mckechnie played v england ,and scotland and Gary Knight played v england, So all bar lyn jaffray mcgregor and wayne graham were involved in tests - not bad for a "2nd string"

That side contained some all black ledgends namely brian mckechnie, stu wilson, bruce robertson, bryan williams, graham mourie , andy haden , the late frank oliver rip , gary knight (not really 2nd team guys or dirt trackers) It was the only game they lost on tour the first time they were held scoreless in 212 games (since a cracking nil all draw v scotland in 1964) and (i am open to correction on this) the last time they have been held scoreless. So a pretty good achievement for which i still have my Dads ticket stub (specifically willed to me - not bothered about house, cars , money!!)

The reason RTE show international rugby is because people watch it look at the viewing figures - If ye dont like rugby then dont watch it and if enough people dont watch it they wont show it. For people cribbing about showing the Ireland 20s matches - tg4 show great coverage of udner 21 football and in particular hurling. Compare the media coverage of club rugby v club gaa

Think its time for the rugby haters to simply get up a rugby haters thread

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 12/03/2015 12:07:16    1701993

A comparison of club rugby union and club hurling/football is exactly what proves RTE's rugby union bias. In the last 12 months RTE, the national broadcaster, didn't show any club hurling or football at all. No live games. Not even highlights. In contrast RTE shows highlights of club rugby union league matches every week on Against the Head (at least 3 games a week) in spite of the fact that the matches are poorly attended attracting nowhere near the crowd numbers which attend hurling/football club games. RTE also shows live club rugby union at the end of the league as well. In other words we see plenty of club rugby union on RTE but no club hurling or football at all. At this stage it's almost perverse to hear people still argue that RTE provides a fair and unbiased coverage. Unless of course RTE was always meant to stand for Rugby Telefis Eireann.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 12/03/2015 15:03:53    1702052

11/03/2015 21:04:41
bad.monkey
Good idea Ormo , maybe a blog too? Manky why cant you say Ormond?
11/03/2015 21:30:46 ROS1
Ormond if you watched the under 20 game you would have seen there was a poor crowd, even Ryle said (through gritted teeth) there was a poor crowd. You can never admit when you are wrong. You have the childish attitude that if you are not as much a rugby cheerleader as you are then you must be against rugby. I was speaking as someone who likes to go to rugby matches and finds it very annoying when a penalty is about to be taken someone wants to get past you as the are going to the bar. If you go to a play or concert the bar will be closed once the event starts and only open again when at the interval and the end of the show or in the case of Croke park where you rightfully cannot bring drink to your seat. I like a lot of others have made a number of complaints to Rte already as has been gone through here loads of time. What money do Rte make from showing the tries on the news from the wooden spoon game, virtually every county in the northern half of the republic including my own play in the bottom 3 divisions in hurling where a lot of people in these counties pay a fortune in tv licenses to Rte. Childish attitude. ha
I do admit im wrong when I am but when so many go on the offensive towards me what else do you expect of my attitude here. I have rarely if ever been stopped from going to bar at theatre etc. Ive been to countless musicals, plays in theatres across galway and never stopped during performance from going to the bar
RTE clearly make loads from 6Ns games as they show them so much.
11/03/2015 21:43:45 ROS1
A lot more people are going to see this thread then are going to see any blog mediaman has with all due respect to him. Those Guinness rugby adds would make you more sick then having a feed of the stuff the are selling. No they wouldn't. A blog by mediaman would get more google searches looking directly for what he wants. They would be able to contact him/interact with him easier. Mobilise for further action if it was required which isn't possible to anywhere near same extent here

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 12/03/2015 17:32:13    1702088