Well I guess we wont be hearing any more about ladies rugby.

Miler (Mayo) - Posts: 1015 - 14/08/2014 21:58:47    1637065

14/08/2014 21:41:58
Jack_Goff
I'm sure Ormo will be in tomorrow telling us Rugby is great and how we're all imagining things... Ja Go what are you on about?
14/08/2014 21:54:52 bad.monkey
Why should 'participation levels' be the judge of what gets shown on tv, how many people in Ireland do acting? Should rte stop showing films!? Ridiculous stuff But we're talking about rugby here and dozens on this foum have a pathological hatred of all things rugby. case in point below
14/08/2014 21:58:47
Miler
Well I guess we wont be hearing any more about ladies rugby. we will be in 6 nations over coming years etc etc

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 15/08/2014 11:24:07    1637142

not a hatred of rugby at all just a different opinion to you..there are much larger ladies sports in this country and that is a fact no matter what you try and claim..and these sports receive nowhere near the coverage allocated to the womens rugby team..i think that is basically the point most are making...how does this suggest a hatred?..they were given radio coverage and on the internet for their 6 nations games while there is columns dedicated to them in the irish times..and as previously mentioned the rte sports news stuff..what ladies football or camogie team receive this coverage?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 15/08/2014 11:41:45    1637147

yes, but we wont be hearing about it.

Miler (Mayo) - Posts: 1015 - 15/08/2014 12:09:19    1637167

15/08/2014 11:41:45
fabio8
not a hatred of rugby at all just a different opinion to you..there are much larger ladies sports in this country and that is a fact no matter what you try and claim..and these sports receive nowhere near the coverage allocated to the womens rugby team..i think that is basically the point most are making...how does this suggest a hatred?..they were given radio coverage and on the internet for their 6 nations games while there is columns dedicated to them in the irish times..and as previously mentioned the rte sports news stuff..what ladies football or camogie team receive this coverage? So rugby shouldn't receive covera it gets.
they are a national side and patriotic bla bla bla will get them attention over county sides

ladies football and camogie are bigger and their premier games are shown on tv or have been in recent years. its up to gaa, gaa journalists and womens sports pro's to get their sports more attention

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 15/08/2014 12:21:48    1637180

re Ormand You need to read the posts more carefully, I am not anti-rugby. Anyone with a twitter of insight should see my objection is to the obvious promotion of rugby to the detriment of GAA by our citizen funded state broadcaster and other state organisations. It is an abuse of power by an unrepresentative cabal within rte IMO.
The facts speak for themselves Rugby covered 103 times Gaelic Football and hurling and camogie etc combined covered 90 occasions on the 6 o'clock Sports News. Ladies Football covered ONCE in all that time period on Aug 4th 15sec clip of Donegal v Kerry match (clearly a fig leaf to protect them from the accusation of not covering Ladies Sport other than rugby)
To be mentioned 103 times out of 154 weekdays is a pretty high strike rate.
Funding from the sports council certainly is most questionable too €2.4m to all GAA; €2.36m to rugby; Last year the gov/sports council gave an extra €1m to Ladies rugby So the total grant to rugby was greater than the GAA grant. What is going on? How can anyone feel that is fair? Finally when the non coverage of GAA is questioned over the winter you always reply to the effect that GAA gets blanket rte coverage during the summer. That assertion is factually untrue.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 15/08/2014 13:11:05    1637220

You're avoiding the issue Ormond and have been doing so consistently. There is most certainly a distinction made between ladies rugby and all other ladies team sports by both print and broadcast media. To make that distinction between sports people is wrong. The ladies rugby had some of their Grand Slam matches broadcast live and in full by RTE TV last year. They had all of their 6 Nations matches broadcast live and in full by RTE Radio this year. They had all of their World Cup matches broadcast live and in full by TG4. Fiona Coghlan had a dedicated weekly column in the Irish Times for the duration of The 6 Nations campaign this year. Gavin Cumiskey has been in Paris for the entire World Cup and has been writing opinion pieces conducting interviews and writing detailed match reports in The Irish Times. All of the principal newspapers have been doing opinion pieces and writing detailed match reports concerning the ladies rugby team for some time now. No other ladies sports teams gets a fraction of this coverage . It has nothing to do with the efforts of PRO s. Your remarks in relation to the PRO s of other sports are insulting. The reason we have such an imbalance in coverage and the reason there is such a distinction made between lady rugby players and the participants in all other team sports in Irish ladies sports is because there is a huge bias in print and broadcast media towards the ladies rugby team. This bias exists also in relation to men's rugby but other team sports in men's sports can't be ignored in the manner that ladies team sports in Ireland are ignored. The Irish ladies soccer team are in the throes of a Euro qualifying campaign at the moment and they get diddley squat coverage. The situation is not as bad in relation to camogie and football but it is still poor. To make such a huge distinction between the efforts of the Irish ladies rugby team and lady participants in all other team sports in Ireland is wrong. There should be a much better balance.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 15/08/2014 13:15:32    1637227

ormondbannerman

No I don't believe I have done that with the Womens Rugby, they have what they have on merit. But there has to be a parity here, Basketball is virtually ignored as a sport one would hardly think it is probably the biggest female sport in the country, followed closely by Ladies football who have in fairness got a TV profile. All the likes of camogie are looking for is parity, its one of the oldest organised female field sports alongside hockey and has no media presence at all.
They have been calling for increased coverage, Aileen Lawlor the Camogie Presdient is well on the record for stating that, they have the finals but they are looking for a proper round up services nationally - not of local games but inter-county. They don't even get that, they show the finals, but as TG4#s viewing figures for Ladies Football show its a very popular sport and growing.

These are big sports in Ireland and they are virtually ignored by RTE. That is not denigrating Women's Rugby, just looking for parity of esteem. The National broadcaster (its description not mine) should actually promote more womens sports and not just pumping huge coverage into one. They've done this for years, unchallenged but I think times are a changing.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4899 - 15/08/2014 13:24:47    1637228

i dont see the ladies soccer team receiving such attention...ladies soccer football and camogie are much bigger than their rugby counterpart and therefore should receive more coverage for the most part as its justified....not saying small sports shouldnt receive coverage as they should but they shouldnt be getting big coverage like ladies rugby is at the expense of other sports which is what is happening...i cant imagine soccer being shunted to one side in england due to a smaller sport having a nice run in a world tournament..it just doesnt happen...nothing about being patriotic sure who was watching the games in all honesty?..viewing figures not great i imagine

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 15/08/2014 13:52:19    1637245

Look at the facts Ormond GAA (hurling football etc.)mentioned 90 out of the last 154 6o'clock Sports news weekday broadcasts 12 of them negative Rugby mentioned 103 times all but one positive. This is the height of the GAA season rem no GAA on rte from Oct to Jan

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 15/08/2014 13:55:00    1637249

ormondbannerman: You seem to want to disregard every posters opinions. GAA is our national game, RTE is our national television station..........I rest my case

MuineachanAbu (Monaghan) - Posts: 640 - 15/08/2014 14:41:11    1637273

O Ormond not much changes making a fool of yourself yet again along with badmonkey, it a like you claiming that there was no laides football clubs there you when in fact the county you claim to be from tipp has 30 clubs.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 15/08/2014 15:02:29    1637282

ormobannerman
County: Clare
Ja Go what are you on about?

Ormo your posts just above mine were in the thread when i typed mine. SO it seemed you got into this earlier than usual!

I don't know the gist of this thread and I'm not going to pretend to but Woman's soccer, camogie, football, athletics and golf among others deserve a lot more coverage than rugby. It's embarrassing such a minority sport gets such coverage when the majority sports can barely get a look in.

It just further shows RTE's bias and vindicates the people who label them as the D4 media.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 15/08/2014 17:49:33    1637376

sorry ormo meant to say your posts were not in the thread yet when i posted mine... apologies.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 15/08/2014 17:59:00    1637381

Very sensitive bunch here, the women's rugby team was a good story, they did great in an international tournament. It had never happened before so it got good coverage, a GAA manager resigning like Grimley as someone mentioned is not as big a story as GAA managers resign all the time after getting knocked out of the championship , it is not uncommon there will be another 10 this summer. One is a good story , the other is run off the mill...regardless of participation level :/

I do agree that women's football and camogie should get more coverage

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4625 - 15/08/2014 18:22:09    1637391

15/08/2014 13:11:05 mod
re Ormand You need to read the posts more carefully, I am not anti-rugby. Anyone with a twitter of insight should see my objection is to the obvious promotion of rugby to the detriment of GAA by our citizen funded state broadcaster and other state organisations. It is an abuse of power by an unrepresentative cabal within rte IMO.
The facts speak for themselves Rugby covered 103 times Gaelic Football and hurling and camogie etc combined covered 90 occasions on the 6 o'clock Sports News. Ladies Football covered ONCE in all that time period on Aug 4th 15sec clip of Donegal v Kerry match (clearly a fig leaf to protect them from the accusation of not covering Ladies Sport other than rugby)
To be mentioned 103 times out of 154 weekdays is a pretty high strike rate. Rugby is the largest professional sport in the country and soccer gets as much coverage as rugby yet the coverage is primarily of English teams with no or very few irish players involved. Rugby isn't being promoted to detriment of the GAA. There is not an abuse of power within RTE. If you feel there is such an abuse of power and what being done by RTE is not ethically correct what are you doing about it other than whinging here?
15/08/2014 13:11:05 mod
Funding from the sports council certainly is most questionable too €2.4m to all GAA; €2.36m to rugby; Last year the gov/sports council gave an extra €1m to Ladies rugby So the total grant to rugby was greater than the GAA grant. What is going on? How can anyone feel that is fair? Finally when the non coverage of GAA is questioned over the winter you always reply to the effect that GAA gets blanket rte coverage during the summer. That assertion is factually untrue. Woman's rugby got large proportion of that and that is only a percentage of funding sports get through the year and all organisations get more than that. Why is the council funding questionable? It gets more people playing sport and whats wrong with that? You are so anti rugby you would prefer to see rugby get nothing and that's sad to see.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/08/2014 09:52:43    1637503

15/08/2014 13:24:47 arock
ormond No I don't believe I have done that with the Womens Rugby, they have what they have on merit. But there has to be a parity here, Basketball is virtually ignored as a sport one would hardly think it is probably the biggest female sport in the country, followed closely by Ladies football who have in fairness got a TV profile. All the likes of camogie are looking for is parity, its one of the oldest organised female field sports alongside hockey and has no media presence at all.
They have been calling for increased coverage, Aileen Lawlor the Camogie Presdient is well on the record for stating that, they have the finals but they are looking for a proper round up services nationally - not of local games but inter-county. They don't even get that, they show the finals, but as TG4#s viewing figures for Ladies Football show its a very popular sport and growing.
These are big sports in Ireland and they are virtually ignored by RTE. That is not denigrating Women's Rugby, just looking for parity of esteem. The National broadcaster (its description not mine) should actually promote more womens sports and not just pumping huge coverage into one. They've done this for years, unchallenged but I think times are a changing. But its the media who work full time have to go to cover woman's GAA better and more comprehensively. When did we last see the top GAA journalists covering ladies football and camogie.
Basketball is largely ignored but its finals are shown live and there isn't much more that should be shown.
Camogie needs to luck for and make its own coverage
The gaelic associations need to do more to get their own coverage better and more comprehensive. You may not be degenerating women's rugby but many have here. Yes all sports should get better coverage but what are you going to do?
Womens rugby helped by 6 nations played same time as mens on a different night/day nearly every week which allows coverage.

15/08/2014 13:52:19 fabio8
i dont see the ladies soccer team receiving such attention...ladies soccer football and camogie are much bigger than their rugby counterpart and therefore should receive more coverage for the most part as its justified....not saying small sports shouldnt receive coverage as they should but they shouldnt be getting big coverage like ladies rugby is at the expense of other sports which is what is happening...i cant imagine soccer being shunted to one side in england due to a smaller sport having a nice run in a world tournament..it just doesnt happen...nothing about being patriotic sure who was watching the games in all honesty?..viewing figures not great i imagine Where are the calls for them to get coverage. Ladies rugby until this world cup had a few 6 nations games covered on weekends which are the biggest rugby weekends of the year. Ladies games played all through summer so its GAA journalists who should be criticised. When was the last time the top gaa journalists were covering camogie/ladies football? Irish womens rugby side have had gavin cummiskey etc covering their games

15/08/2014 14:41:11 MuineachanAbu
ormondb: You seem to want to disregard every posters opinions. GAA is our national game, RTE is our national television station..........I rest my case That's not a good enough defence though and im not disregarding every one's opinions.
RTE cover GAA plenty. Every weekend through summer and large amount all through year. Club results mentioned at times.
Rugby has its 4 pro sides, the national mens, under 20 and womens side and the odd bit of club rugby mentioned. much more concentrated number of teams so easier to cover all

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/08/2014 10:15:51    1637511

15/08/2014 13:15:32 Greengrass
You're avoiding the issue Ormond and have been doing so consistently. There is most certainly a distinction made between ladies rugby and all other ladies team sports by both print and broadcast media. To make that distinction between sports people is wrong. The ladies rugby had some of their Grand Slam matches broadcast live and in full by RTE TV last year. They had all of their 6 Nations matches broadcast live and in full by RTE Radio this year. They had all of their World Cup matches broadcast live and in full by TG4. Fiona Coghlan had a dedicated weekly column in the Irish Times for the duration of The 6 Nations campaign this year. Gavin Cumiskey has been in Paris for the entire World Cup and has been writing opinion pieces conducting interviews and writing detailed match reports in The Irish Times. Im not avoiding any issue. All of ye critics are avoiding the fact that the gaelic organisations and gaa journalists should be doing more. Ladies Rugby played time of year where not many other sports are at major time and rugby gets huge income and broadcast time as a result.
Yes womens rugby has had all that coverage. Nothing wrong with that but in the summer months where and when would you show camogie and ladies football to give it coverage? RTE are committed to showing the mens games which will bring more income and viewers on sundays and often Saturdays. When would you show games of camogie/ladies football?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/08/2014 10:28:46    1637513

15/08/2014 13:15:32 Greengrass
All of the principal newspapers have been doing opinion pieces and writing detailed match reports concerning the ladies rugby team for some time now. No other ladies sports teams gets a fraction of this coverage . It has nothing to do with the efforts of PRO s. Your remarks in relation to the PRO s of other sports are insulting. The reason we have such an imbalance in coverage and the reason there is such a distinction made between lady rugby players and the participants in all other team sports in Irish ladies sports is because there is a huge bias in print and broadcast media towards the ladies rugby team. This bias exists also in relation to men's rugby but other team sports in men's sports can't be ignored in the manner that ladies team sports in Ireland are ignored. The Irish ladies soccer team are in the throes of a Euro qualifying campaign at the moment and they get diddley squat coverage. The situation is not as bad in relation to camogie and football but it is still poor. To make such a huge distinction between the efforts of the Irish ladies rugby team and lady participants in all other team sports in Ireland is wrong. There should be a much better balance. Some time now is a lie. Detailed match reports for about 2/3 years. My words regarding pro's is not insulting. What is insulting is the attitudes of a significant number here towards rugby. There isn't a bias in media towards rugby. Only bigoted biased people think that.
Ladies soccer team getting a lack of coverage cant justify the argument that ladies rugby gets too much coverage. There should be more coverage of other female sports but rugby shouldn't get less coverage and its up to people involved In soccer, ladies football, camogie etc to work on methods to improve coverage of their sports
15/08/2014 15:02:29 ROS1
O Ormond not much changes making a fool of yourself yet again along with badmonkey, it a like you claiming that there was no laides football clubs there you when in fact the county you claim to be from tipp has 30 clubs I didn't claim there was no ladies football clubs in my county I said none in the area of the county I live in. Virtually all ladies football clubs are concentrated on the south half of the county around Clonmel
15/08/2014 18:22:09 bad.monkey
Very sensitive bunch here, the women's rugby team was a good story, they did great in an international tournament. It had never happened before so it got good coverage, a GAA manager resigning like Grimley as someone mentioned is not as big a story as GAA managers resign all the time after getting knocked out of the championship , it is not uncommon there will be another 10 this summer. One is a good story , the other is run off the mill...regardless of participation level :/
I do agree that women's football and camogie should get more coverage But this gave people here a chance to knock rugby, slag rugby, troll about rugby. of course there will be anger about rugby getting coverage. For a lot here they would only be happy if rugby got 0 coverage and rte showed 24 hours of hurling/gaelic a day

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/08/2014 10:29:08    1637514

I am not a rugby man but I have to defend the coverage of the ladies rugby team , they were playing in a world cup semi final of a sport that is played all over the world and this game was televised all over the world , over half a million watched the game in Ireland which is a lot more than watched most GAA games this year on TV.
The GAA is a local sport and most of its coverage is local where as the rugby , soccer and athletics teams are on a world and european stage and deserve any coverage they get ,a lot of guys on here just believe there should be no other sport covered other than GAA,

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 16/08/2014 11:32:29    1637539