yes as they are a big sport with loads of participants and supporters..is that wrong ormond?...they aren't shown by rte...womens rugby has only recently grown....where was the basis to show it before hand?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 02/08/2014 21:03:43    1630148

Club games aren't covered on Rte. Neither is womens GAA, or league matches. RTEs non championship GAA coverage is non existent. (Not being paranoid now, but that is a fact).
Very little news coverage too for non championship matches in fairness. Sometimes just a brief view of the scoreline. If RTE aren't going to base their news coverage on the popularity of the sport involved, what are they basing it on?
If its on the achievement involved, sure there are great achievements in sport happening all over the country day in day out that never sees any limelight.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 02/08/2014 21:10:02    1630157

Ever seen Up for the Match Fabio?, no other sports gets this type of coverage. GAA gets a huge amount a of coverage and rightly so. However here the womens rugby team unexpectedly won a world cup game on a Friday when there was no other sport of any note taking place and they reported the story . Its actually quite sad some are up in arms over this. baa baa baa

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 02/08/2014 21:14:30    1630165

joncarter - based on achievement but on a national level ie the people are representing Ireland on an International level or competing internationally. They are a national broadcaster and in reality would not have time to report on local new stories.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 02/08/2014 21:16:51    1630169

The point Im trying to make is that in many peoples eyes that rugby seems to be the only sport that doesn't have to be popular to get coverage.
That's where the debate stems from. Im not saying its fair by the way (fair play to the womens rugby team)

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 02/08/2014 21:17:53    1630171

02/08/2014 21:03:43
fabio8
yes as they are a big sport with loads of participants and supporters..is that wrong ormond?...they aren't shown by rte...womens rugby has only recently grown....where was the basis to show it before hand? Who said its a big sport with loads of participants and supporters
Womens rugby has grown in major way and there wasn't any real basis to show it before the last 2 years

02/08/2014 21:10:02 joncarter
Club games aren't covered on Rte. Neither is womens GAA, or league matches. RTEs non championship GAA coverage is non existent. (Not being paranoid now, but that is a fact).
Very little news coverage too for non championship matches in fairness. Sometimes just a brief view of the scoreline. If RTE aren't going to base their news coverage on the popularity of the sport involved, what are they basing it on?
If its on the achievement involved, sure there are great achievements in sport happening all over the country day in day out that never sees any limelight. woman's gaa has been on RTE in previous years has it not?
finals on rte. what non championship matches get little coverage? League games. when so many in GAA dismiss league as preparing for championship etc no wonder many in media don't cover it as well as they could.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 02/08/2014 21:19:27    1630176

ladies football isnt a big support ormond?..yet you go on about the growth of womens rugby in the same post..im sure if you look it up you will see a lot more people are playing ladies football....up for match badmonkey yes a programme in the buildup to irelands version of the super bowl which is the most viewed event in ireland almost every year..the all ireland final

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 02/08/2014 21:25:16    1630186

I have often said that the media shouldn't be expected to take the league seriously when so many GAA players don't. Some people believe though that if it was rugby the league would get more coverage.
Its wrong for YOU to dismiss the league though, because I guarantee that if someone said that about a second rate rugby competition you would go on about how it is a valuable stepping stone, good preparation, an important learning curve for teams etc.
Youre right about the womens coverage though. My apologies, although I still say that RTEs non championship GAA coverage is lacking.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 02/08/2014 21:26:37    1630191

you cant dismiss the league ormond when the likes of pro 12 is shown which has been a second rate competition for years...our u21 soccer side doesnt seem to get anywhere close to the coverage the rugby u20s get which is another example of the bias that exists...overall this is a tired argument on here as it will just be ormond arguing over and back with people who see things differently

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 02/08/2014 21:38:09    1630215

02/08/2014 21:25:16 fabio8
ladies football isnt a big support ormond?..yet you go on about the growth of womens rugby in the same post..im sure if you look it up you will see a lot more people are playing ladies football....up for match badmonkey yes a programme in the buildup to irelands version of the super bowl which is the most viewed event in ireland almost every year..the all ireland final Would you ever stop with the anti rugby posts. Its backboning nearly all your posts here..
Ladies football doesn't have huge support and while woman's rugby doesn't it is fastest growing or one of the fasting growing sports in the country
02/08/2014 21:26:37 joncarter
I have often said that the media shouldn't be expected to take the league seriously when so many GAA players don't. Some people believe though that if it was rugby the league would get more coverage.
Its wrong for YOU to dismiss the league though, because I guarantee that if someone said that about a second rate rugby competition you would go on about how it is a valuable stepping stone, good preparation, an important learning curve for teams etc.
Youre right about the womens coverage though. My apologies, although I still say that RTEs non championship GAA coverage is lacking. What second rate rugby competition etc?
2/08/2014 21:38:09
fabio8
you cant dismiss the league ormond when the likes of pro 12 is shown which has been a second rate competition for years...our u21 soccer side doesnt seem to get anywhere close to the coverage the rugby u20s get which is another example of the bias that exists...overall this is a tired argument on here as it will just be ormond arguing over and back with people who see things differentlyHow has pro12 been a 2nd rate competition for years? How? Explain how?
Does the FAI look for u21 soccer to be covered? Where is the interest from the public for it to be covered? U20 rugby has the support and the interest is there for it to be covered. You regularly have under 20 rugby games trending on twitter when do you have that for irish u21 soccer games?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 02/08/2014 21:53:13    1630260

I think it is refreshing that womens sport makes the headlines on RTE, they usually ignore that half of the population entirely when it comes to sport with the occasional individual exception. Its fairly predictable that it would be for rugby that they would break the general approach, but that is Ryle Nugents RTE sport for you. There are more ladies gaelic footballers in 2 counties than there are womens rugby players in the entire country but the footballers continue to be ignored by RTE. It is a similar situation with womens soccer.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 02/08/2014 21:56:10    1630269

02/08/2014 21:56:10
Soma
I think it is refreshing that womens sport makes the headlines on RTE, they usually ignore that half of the population entirely when it comes to sport with the occasional individual exception. Its fairly predictable that it would be for rugby that they would break the general approach, but that is Ryle Nugents RTE sport for you. There are more ladies gaelic footballers in 2 counties than there are womens rugby players in the entire country but the footballers continue to be ignored by RTE. It is a similar situation with womens soccer. Or a national side who compete on same weekend as their male counterparts for the most part at a time when rugby is top top dog in terms of live sport in Ireland get coverage and they also get coverage in a world cup.
Stupid illinformed go at rugby as per usual from people on this site....
Why do we not hear from players, media sources, ladies football organisation about supposed lack of coverage and same for soccer.
women's sport doesn't have the support in the main to get anywhere near coverage of male sport

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 03/08/2014 11:50:19    1630393

Ormo I have re-read my post and there is definitely no attack on rugby in it, not sure what it is you are seeing. There is a justified dig at RTE sport, there is a statement about just how insignificant in terms of playing numbers womens rugby is compared to ladies football to emphasise why it is ridiculous RTE would give more coverage to one than the other, but there is definitely no dig at rugby. Over 25,000 people in Croke Park for the most recent ladies final, and yet RTE continue to ignore the sport. There is no other sport in Ireland, male or female, that can draw an attendance of 25,000 to its final and not get regular RTE exposure. Wouldn't the occasional interview on the sports news with these athletes prior to a game be a great gesture to inspire our increasingly obese teenage population to take up the sport?

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 03/08/2014 12:50:17    1630464

not a dig at rugby at all..just different opinion to you...womens football does have big support and loads playing compared to its rugby counterpart

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 03/08/2014 15:48:26    1630644

03/08/2014 12:50:17 Soma
Ormo I have re-read my post and there is definitely no attack on rugby in it, not sure what it is you are seeing. There is a justified dig at RTE sport, there is a statement about just how insignificant in terms of playing numbers womens rugby is compared to ladies football to emphasise why it is ridiculous RTE would give more coverage to one than the other, but there is definitely no dig at rugby. Over 25,000 people in Croke Park for the most recent ladies final, and yet RTE continue to ignore the sport. There is no other sport in Ireland, male or female, that can draw an attendance of 25,000 to its final and not get regular RTE exposure. Wouldn't the occasional interview on the sports news with these athletes prior to a game be a great gesture to inspire our increasingly obese teenage population to take up the sport?
Woman's rugby is shown only internationally. There is the 6 nations and only in the last 2 years and the world cup on tg4 which is being shown for the first time.
RTE doesn't ignore ladies football. They have regular mention of results on the news of inter county games
Ladies football finals are shown on tg4 are they not? RTE cant do much if TG4 have the rights.
How many teams in sports get occasional interviews on news prior to games.. very few

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 03/08/2014 17:45:55    1630753

Contrast : On RTE 6 oclock Sports news last night I'm sure many will have noted that while announcing of Paul Grimleys resignation, RTE decided to include again a negative GAA image the video of the Donegal v Armagh row. This contrasts with what must rank as the most ridiculous comment by the reporter in Paris at the Womens Rugby 40:7 defeat was moved to say that "French supporters were cheering for England as they didn't want to meet Ireland in the Final"

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 14/08/2014 13:11:42    1636809

I have to agree completely with Joncarter, Ladies Football actually has a bigger participation than most of the so-called mens "garrison sports" combined. Throw in camogie which is also a hugely popular sport and they virtually ignored as sports by the national broadcaster. No way denigrating the Ladies Rugby achievements - its commendable they get shown live, but joncarter's argue still holds. If you look at participation levels of all sports men and women, Ladies Football especially and even Camogie are well up there. No one is asking for a run down of "local" results they could start by acknowleging them as sports - just the odd mention will make a start. Tg4 doesn't count and they don't show Camoige which is a far bigger sport than Ladies Rugby and is way ahead of a few of the other RTE favourites.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 14/08/2014 17:48:34    1636937

14/08/2014 13:11:42
mod
Contrast : On RTE 6 oclock Sports news last night I'm sure many will have noted that while announcing of Paul Grimleys resignation, RTE decided to include again a negative GAA image the video of the Donegal v Armagh row. This contrasts with what must rank as the most ridiculous comment by the reporter in Paris at the Womens Rugby 40:7 defeat was moved to say that "French supporters were cheering for England as they didn't want to meet Ireland in the Final" Well your anti rugby posts are ridiculous at times...
Why don't people query why such images are used? Nobody knows why anything happens. No procedure behind it so its discretion of the director/producer of news as well as news presenter
14/08/2014 17:48:34 arock
I have to agree completely with Joncarter, Ladies Football actually has a bigger participation than most of the so-called mens "garrison sports" combined. Throw in camogie which is also a hugely popular sport and they virtually ignored as sports by the national broadcaster. No way denigrating the Ladies Rugby achievements - its commendable they get shown live, but joncarter's argue still holds. If you look at participation levels of all sports men and women, Ladies Football especially and even Camogie are well up there. No one is asking for a run down of "local" results they could start by acknowleging them as sports - just the odd mention will make a start. Tg4 doesn't count and they don't show Camoige which is a far bigger sport than Ladies Rugby and is way ahead of a few of the other RTE favourites. But by your first sentence you are degenerating the achievements of the Ladies Rugby. Where is all the calls in mainstream media for coverage? Where is association president calling for coverage that is better than now? Where are all the players calling for better coverage/
What are all the "RTE favourites" getting all this coverage? By all there's a few, what are they?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/08/2014 21:03:57    1637023

I'm sure Ormo will be in tomorrow telling us Rugby is great and how we're all imagining things...

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 14/08/2014 21:41:58    1637052

Why should 'participation levels' be the judge of what gets shown on tv, how many people in Ireland do acting? Should rte stop showing films!? Ridiculous stuff

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 14/08/2014 21:54:52    1637061