Anything can happen on any given day, but all going to form Cork should win Liam this year, and a few more over the next few years. These things go in cycles, and it was only a matter of time before Cork would rise again and have a period of dominance. They are a different machine with JBM at the helm, and should beat Tipp with a bit to spare. Same whether they come up against Limerick or Kilkenny. They seem to have the indian sign on KK when JBM is about. If I was a Cork fan, I'd be bitterly disapointed if they left this years All-Ireland behind them, especially after the way Clare got a draw with them the first day out last year

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4122 - 03/08/2014 20:32:01    1630942

Hurlinggaa and df please tell me yere joking about Limerick having a song for the semi final?

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 03/08/2014 20:41:18    1630954

Cue as far as I know we dont have one but we have 3 fans asking for one on our site. One might be joking.

When u were waxing on about our performance against Wexford I was urging a more downbeat approach. Now maybe u understand why? Last year was a disaster down here hype wise. Most of us are hoping it doesnt happen again this year.

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 03/08/2014 21:36:41    1631001

This thread is about 'Cork to win Sam' not about the Limerick song. Anything off topic will not be posted. By all means start up a new thread but keep to the topic. Admin.

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 03/08/2014 21:38:34    1631004

Meathman i hear what you are saying but it does not make sense to me, i might be biased in my approach but what have cork done to seriously warrant the idea that they may become some kind of force? Its premature talk for me and from being down in the park for the munster final i can say that they are a good side and well capable of winning an all ireland but to be a force or whatever you are trying to prevail is nonsense. They are very beatable and i was dissapointed we did not beat them but fair deuce to them.. Time will tell however but i am fairly sure of this and id expect true cork hurling enthusiasts to agree that cork are not what you make them out as and that the championship is for grabs by most for next few years!!

hurlgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 136 - 03/08/2014 21:55:53    1631016

Hurlgaa i believe cork will be a force and 3241 has hit the nail on the head with his comments,you ask what they done well they ironed out the crease after the first game against waterford and then put them in there place,they beat the all ireland champions by 5 points pulling up in a hack canter,and then beat a good team in limerick by 2 goals in a rip roaring game so i think its fair to say in clare and limerick when the questions have been asked the answer has been emphatic,iv said on this forum a few times now this team is the real deal now only time will answer that question,it is up for grabs your right but i think cork are ahead of the pack at this moment and we are a young side that will only get better croker is made for cork

blackrockeddie (Cork) - Posts: 160 - 04/08/2014 10:54:30    1631062

Eddie Clare and waterford were beaten by Wexford. Are u seriously saying Cork deserve credit for that and dont give me this baloney about Ai champs they are a v different tema this year.
As for Limerick Cork were better in munster final and if we meet Cork again being in last years Final could be an advantage to Cork. I live near the border and know quite a few cork ppl and none of them except you take limerick for granted. If u wanna talk about munster final then Harnedys goal was illegal FACT 8 or 9 steps with ball in hand. Ref blew browne for catching a third time AFTER he hopped ball of the ground disallowed a point that should have stood and awarded NAsh a free that he pointed that a 2 point turnaround. Now Cork fininshed far better and deserved to win Munster butLimerick absolutley played Cork off their own field in first 25 mins so there v little between Limerick and Cork and Limerick are every bit as young.

Wouldnt dismiss tipp either there wasnt much in it between us and them and they are a far better team now. Also we have backs to mark tipps danger men as far as I see Cork dont. McLoughlin, Cahalane, Joyce Ellis and O Neill will have to seriously improve if Cork are to make AI final. There will be a puck of a ball between Tipp and Cork and right now Id back tipp. So I think Eddie u either know ur hurling and u r stirring or u know v little about hurling. Havent made my mind up yet.

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 04/08/2014 11:17:29    1631075

DF control yourself kid and let me take you to task,firstly i know plenty about the beautiful game i have been to every all ireland that we have played in since 1990 some great days some not so good,now you pour scorn on my comments of us beating clare and waterford,you then tell me your county played us of the park for 25minutes but still we beat you by 2 goals you take issue with harnedys goal and other scores in the game,you say you had a good score dissalowed yourself,so basically what your saying is limerick were robbed cork were lucky and if limerick get a hold of us again they will give us a unmerciful beating,DF you are a knowlegable hurling man and i refuse to get drawm into calling you a stirer or a no nothing man but that is what you do so be it,on august the 17th we play the blue and gold i have a great respect for there tradition and fans and i will not lie if they beat us i will hope they win as there is a mutal respect between cork and tipp but i am extremly confident we will beat tipp,now i must admit to turning a little because a lot of limerick folk yourself included are aggreived about the result in the park,DF TAKE THIS FROM ME LIMERICK ARE A GOOD SIDE BUT NOT AS GOOD AS CORK NOW I SERIOUSLY HOPE BOTH OF US GET THE CHANCE TO STRAIGHTEN THIS OUT IN SEPTEMBER now call me a stirer a no nothing or whatever makes you feel good i only speak the truth oh just wondering how is the song coming along lol

blackrockeddie (Cork) - Posts: 160 - 04/08/2014 12:06:45    1631116

Cork due an AI win this year alright. With the exception of 90-99 it's unusual to see them have such a gap. However if Kk get over Limerick on Sunday I'd quietly fancy our chances were Cork to prevail in the other semi. I think it's 1905 since Cork defeated Kilkenny in two consecutive years. I remember 1982 and 2006 when they were given no chance only to turn the form book on its head. Knowing Cork they won't be looking past Tipp (even the bookies can't separate them) but if they beat Tipp and Kk/Lk it will be a merited AI.

ironmaiden (Kilkenny) - Posts: 28 - 04/08/2014 12:13:57    1631125

"so basically what your saying is limerick were robbed cork were lucky and if limerick get a hold of us again they will give us a unmerciful beating"

Eddie what I am saying is Limerick were not robbed. Cork deserved their win they were not lucky and if limerick get a hold of Cork again it will be a 50/50 game.

So at the v least you have misinterpreted my post.

Why I think you are a stirrer is that you dismiss teams that Cork may have to play. Based on form to date you simply cannot dismiss anyone of the four that are left. If you do then you are either stirring or you dont know enough about the game to know the strenghts of all four teams left. On form kK have done least would anyone back against them with their experience. You say you respect tipp and you are right yet we beat them in Thurles they had (yet another) goal when bonner walked 7 or 8 steps and we had a good goal disallowed. If you respect tipp then you cant dismiss Limerick.

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 04/08/2014 12:35:59    1631150

Df look one thing I admire about you is your a passionate limerick man and I have no qualms about that maybe my confidence in my team has come across as arrogance and rubbed people up the wrong way,so if this is the case I apoligise, you are right each team has a tremendous chance of winning Liam mac and fors and against can be made for all teams,i genuinely think we will win it as do you about your county,so let's not fight let's have a honest debate this is what the forum is about and what I enjoy reading other people's comments for what it's worth ye have a good team and a solid chance against kk,who knows might even see you in barrys or the big tree on the biggest day of the year

blackrockeddie (Cork) - Posts: 160 - 04/08/2014 13:18:13    1631190

Im a big fan of cork eddie some of the best fans in the game. If Im honest though I hope to see Tipp on sept 7th if we make it.

Reason? I think our sideline is very inexperienced and JBM might be too clever for us. Also feel Cork having been their last year would give u guys an edge. Whatever will be will be. Best of luck against tipp

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 04/08/2014 14:20:45    1631230

You have your view eddie i respect that and only time will tell on this issue. Cork will be a force from now on you reckon, il be looking out for this force in the coming years. If you are right then hats off to you, im confident you are wrong. It might be worth noting that we won a munster title in our own backyard last year also and no one i talked to said we were going to be a force from then on, we wouldnt have the audacity!! I mean how can you justify a claim like that without even winning an all ireland yet?

hurlgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 136 - 04/08/2014 19:48:22    1631439

Each team left has a good chance of winning the All Ireland.Cork have weaknessess at the back,which i think Tipp will expose.Cork have a super forward division which will keep the scoreboard ticking over but overall i would fancy Tipp to shade their semi final.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 04/08/2014 20:19:06    1631465

blackrockeddie
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Df look one thing I admire about you is your a passionate limerick man and I have no qualms about that maybe my confidence in my team has come across as arrogance and rubbed people up the wrong way,so if this is the case I apoligise, you are right each team has a tremendous chance of winning Liam mac and fors and against can be made for all teams,i genuinely think we will win it as do you about your county,so let's not fight let's have a honest debate this is what the forum is about and what I enjoy reading other people's comments for what it's worth ye have a good team and a solid chance against kk,who knows might even see you in barrys or the big tree on the biggest day of the year

Good post Eddie. I hope you are right. I also hope the players think like you. I am a doubter. As a supporter I can be like that. I hope the players have your attitude though - that we are number 1, unbeatable etc. I am sure Tipp, Limerick and Kilkenny all feel like that.

Over the next year or two, we will have a few good young fellas in the likes of Rob O Shea, the Lawtons, Luke O Farrell (o come back) to come through to strengthen the forwards. Things is that is where we are strong anyway. Need to find cover for our backs I think- particularly a full back and a make shift half back line.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 04/08/2014 20:59:57    1631515

hurlgaa you ask how i can justify a claim that we will be the force,at the start of the year aidan o brien said australia was the best horse he trained had won nothing YET? ended up winning two derbys so far,mike tyson would become the youngest champion in the world at 21,these examples hurlgaa are down to potential hunger and desire all of which i am certain this cork team has,all teams have a chance but for me CORK ARE THE STAND OUT every question that has been asked has been answered so far,you say you would not have the audacity to say you were a force after winning your munster last year,that is up to you and your county hurlgaa to say it as it is,i dont lack confidence in this side hurlgaa and i say it as it is or as i believe,and i promise you this we will be there on the first week in september even though alot of opinion on here beg to differ mark my words hurlgaa this is a coming team and its coming for liam mac

blackrockeddie (Cork) - Posts: 160 - 04/08/2014 21:09:42    1631526

benny always enjoy your posts and like DF you are a passionete fan a cork fan,and your right this is truly what i believe i really and truly believe we will do it,yes we have some great young players coming through but or trump card is jbm iv seen cork win all irelands and a hell of alot of them from the line wexford in 76 galway in 90 to mention just two,i really dont want to come across as arrogant benny it is just unquenable belief in this group of lads but even more so in our manager jbm is worth 5 points and this will stand to us take it from me kid,benny you say you are a doubter YOU ARE NOT you are just cautious because if you were a doubter you would not roll of those list of lads coming through,YOU ARE A BELIEVER BENNY now believe this we will be there on the first week in september and who ever we face better be ready because we will be ready i said it before and il say it again imo were coming to take liam mac HOME

blackrockeddie (Cork) - Posts: 160 - 04/08/2014 21:22:30    1631539

They may well make it to the final and could win it, thats not the issue.A FORCE is totally different than being competitve each year. I think each team left could win liam!Anyway best luck to ye v tipp even though from what your saying you reckon ye dont need it!

hurlgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 136 - 04/08/2014 22:03:12    1631577

Ah Eddie where are u going with force theory. Clare limerick Kilkenny are all there or there a outs with cork ( of Clare was a blip this year) and all three have far better underage success n better talent coming through. I'm sorry doesn't stand up.

As for benny it not forwards ye need its backs n corks backs are the reason why I feel cork won't win Liam.

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 05/08/2014 08:41:44    1631584

Tipp dont have the bottle or knowledge to beat Cork IMO.

Our backs overall are not tight enough , half backs give away far too many free's , our goalkeeper is an accident waiting to happen , our midfield vs Cork is very weak when you compare how we have played this year and how Walsh & Kearney have run the show , our full back line is woeful conceding soft goals , half forward line cant win dirty ball & when our best forward is tied up the other 2 go missing.

However I dont think Cork will beat this current Kilkenny team should they meet in the final.

If they meet Limerick that would be very very close to call.I would fancy Limerick in-fact to win the AI should they beat Kilkenny.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 05/08/2014 09:33:03    1631593