Naysayer no harm to Antrim but they wouldn't be within 6 points of Tipp

tipptothetop (Tipperary) - Posts: 531 - 27/07/2014 14:25:45    1626473

Thats kind of funny tipptothetop - did you pluck that magic number of 6 points from the difference between the sides when they met in the league earlier this year. I would consider the championship a better marker and the last time they met two years ago the difference was 2 points. Incidentally in both the aforementioned games Tipperary were at home which is always worth a few points and this year Tipperary are having a great season by their standards so I do not see how all this does nothing more than prove what I am saying with regard glass ceilings for Munster counties outwith Cork and Kerry.

Unfortunately Antrim and Tipperary arguing who is the best is like two tramps fighting over a cigarette butt.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 27/07/2014 15:00:37    1626492

Naysayer I was talking about Tipp in Munster so didn't feel the need to mention defensive sides as they wont really encounter any in their province as things stand. But the fact that Tipp lost by 1 point to Cork, beat Laois and thrashed Longford suggests that they cope well against most teams, it is just the sides with excellent attacking talent and fast thinking footballers that they struggle with. Hopefully they improve with this from playing in division 3, but to be fair that is a relatively poor division as well. Id say you may be flattering your own county men a little to have them on the same level as Tipp at the moment, though it would be good if they too can improve in the coming years.
As for the Ulster/Leinster side of the draw being loaded as suggested - surely nobody any longer believes that Monaghan are serious contenders for Sam? There are 4 potential All-Ireland winners this year, and they are the 4 provincial winners so it looks to me like the draw is evenly split.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 27/07/2014 15:02:59    1626497

Not really naysayer Antrim would not be any where near Tipp at the moment. I could have said 9 points if that would make you happier? regardless of what you think of Munster football it is a tough province to get out of with 2 guaranteed top six teams playing in the province each year. Tipp are improving but they are still a good bit from the top teams but with a bit more experience they are definitely capable of being a top 8 team

tipptothetop (Tipperary) - Posts: 531 - 27/07/2014 15:32:31    1626517

i would for what james o donoghue will do against galway..he will destroy them..good achievement getting to all ireland quarters all the same for galway..big improvement on recent years

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 27/07/2014 15:40:24    1626528

Kerry will not destroy Galway but I would concede that they are hot favourites to beat the tribe. I wish Kerry well if they win as they are class sportsmen.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 27/07/2014 15:56:04    1626548

tipptothetop we will just have to agree to disagree then but I would say you were well beaten by Galway who will probably be well beaten by Kerry who will have a tight game against Mayo the winners of which will probably be well beaten by Dublin. To me that is pretty far back and much closer to Antrim but as I say will agree to disagree;)

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 27/07/2014 16:04:42    1626557

Looking at yesterdays game as well, it is a real pity Michael Meehan has the injury troubles that he does. If he was added to that forward line you are looking at a very formidable outfit.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 27/07/2014 16:07:49    1626560

Add Nicky Joyce and Micheal Meehan to that forward pack and you're looking at one of the best forward lines in all of Ireland. Pity who these things work out.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1572 - 27/07/2014 17:08:43    1626616

the 2 players you have mentioned while having immense talent havent done anything of note on the inter county scene for years sadly...you could say the same for a lot...i expect kerry to give them a big beating..hope im wrong as connaught and ireland needs a strong galway side

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 27/07/2014 17:18:16    1626623

Fabio you have a point about Nicky Joyce but Michael Meehan gave one of his best intercounty displays in the defeat to Cork in Croke Park last year. Galway have a poor championship record against Kerry, even when Galway had excellent sides, but I don't think they will be far off next week. Could be one of the games of the championship, I expect the skill levels to be exceptional.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 27/07/2014 17:24:09    1626627

isolated game though soma..he has been practically injured for years now..or playing half-fit...galway i expect to play into kerrys hands..i would expect it to be high scoring and for o donoghue to run riot...overall galway are a good bit away from being an elite side...tipp beat two leinster counties having a poor year especially longford who have been a disaster this year derry result aside who they have beaten regularly at this stage anyway....tipp lost to a cork side going through the motions and playing very poorly so i feel they were overrated...hard to know where kerry are at just yet but i expect them to win by atleast a 6-7 point margin..hopefully it is competitive for a while

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 27/07/2014 17:36:49    1626639

Strange argument you are making Fabio, everyone appreciates Meehan has had his injury problems but as recently as last summer he was showing what a class act he is when fit. To say he hasn't done anything of note in years is incorrect as he was excellent 12 months ago, the reason it is only occasionally is because of the terrible injuries he had, especially his ankle.
Anyway, I would be much more optimistic about Galways chances next week than it appears you are, we will have to wait and see how it goes. Galway have great speed and energy which will stand to them, but Kerry have the experience.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 27/07/2014 17:54:42    1626655

nobody disputes meehans talent..i am only speaking about what he has done over the last number of years...he has been injured and riddled with bad luck sadly..his display against kerry in 2008 a great example of his immense talent

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 27/07/2014 18:09:25    1626669

dont think my other post got through but overall i would fancy kerry as galway have not beaten anybody of note and mayo dealt with them easily..should be an entertaining game but if galway try and take kerry on man to man they are in for a serious hiding..i would regard o donoghue as the best forward in the country at the minute

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 27/07/2014 18:14:01    1626677

Id be very disappointed if Galway don't take them on man for man, this is the traditional Galway way and what they do best. To start doubting their own abilities at this stage of the year and adopt a negative approach would make little sense, and I don't think it is something their own supporters would want either looking at the comments on the Galway forum.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 27/07/2014 18:27:38    1626692

No need to be justifying your fancy for Kerry fabio. They're 2/7 to win. Galway are 3/1. Only predictions of a Galway win require further justification, or indeed awake any interest. Justifying your choice of a Kerry win merely runs the risk of boring other forum users, by stating the obvious and telling people what they already know!

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3422 - 27/07/2014 19:05:40    1626728

Galway have a poor championship record against Kerry, even when Galway had excellent sides

Historically Galway actually have a decent record against Kerry. It's really only in recent years that it hasn't been good.

Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 2216 - 27/07/2014 20:05:01    1626790

You would know better than me Marooned, but I don't think I have ever seen Galway beat Kerry in championship football, though they should have in 2000.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 27/07/2014 20:26:09    1626808

Id be very disappointed if Galway don't take them on man for man, this is the traditional Galway way and what they do best. To start doubting their own abilities at this stage of the year and adopt a negative approach would make little sense, and I don't think it is something their own supporters would want either looking at the comments on the Galway forum.

The Galway management team will sit down and decide what is the best approach is to beat Kerry with the players that they have available and implement that strategy whatever it may be come match day. They will not decide how they approach the game based on some perceived tradition or what Soma or anyone else thinks.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 27/07/2014 20:44:51    1626824