One thing is consistent small minded bitter people who hide in the long grass awaiting something to happen in the summer to justify there predictable its a disgrace rants , they would be no different in the street if you bumped into them , they always see everything from a negative point of view and are incapable of reason , god that bully in school has a lot to answer for .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 24/07/2014 15:48:57    1625423

The GAA line is that suspensions enforced earlier this summer were for punches thrown. GAA claimed they used video evidence, and indicated that whilst a lot of players were involved they could see the culprits. The reality is individual players were in the words of the GAA suspended due to punches thrown. This was after the media hype, the nature of the GAA today is to play to the media drum, especially amongst the highly marketable counties despite them being involved in extrembly similar incidents. They set a precedent and should continue on the same road for everybody.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 24/07/2014 15:56:22    1625424

I think the suspension of the Armagh/cavan players is a talking point here. The fines that were meted out to the respective county boards is the crucial point. These fines were issued because of the general circumstances of the brawl and the general behaviour of the teams. Now the fact that individual players were picked out and fined because they used closed fists as weapons would mean that that if anyone else engaged in this behaviour then they should receive similar punishments. The fact that Cavan/Armagh brawled in close proximity to a band and the public was dealt with by fining the county boards. so if you take that away from the equation you should be left with 2 similar incidents (dublin/meath players fighting and Cavan/Armagh players fighting.)

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 24/07/2014 16:02:05    1625429

The Master you have some excellent posts on this but I have a feeling you will be ignored. I know we can all be partisan at times but there seems to be some people who have a persecution complex that prevents them from even enjoying the games which is sad to see.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 24/07/2014 16:05:01    1625431

Breffni39
Themaster, it is a fact that the band was with in 5 metres away. It may have been 1, it may have been 3. If you want to squabble exact distances then fire away but I'm not interested. We could be here a long time arguing about it cos I dont remember anyone having a measuring tape at the time.

Well then why bring the distance into it breffni? It was yourself who did that, don't forget. Being 5 metres away and watching, and having 3 or 4 intercounty athletes crash into you would be two different things to be on the receiving end of, Im sure.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/07/2014 16:05:34    1625433

TheMaster
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1625343 Greengrass
The issue is that charges were brought against some and they were not brought against others. That is inconsistency.

But we agreed that the circumstances were not the same, therefore it isn't inconsistency, it is differing circumstances resulting in a different outcome. I already offered you an example where the circumstances were the same and so was the outcome... Therefore, no inconsistency and no double standard.

Stop playing your usual stupid games of semantics. The actions of the respective sets of players were no different in terms of what they did to each other. One group of players was charged and suspended. The other group got off .I haven't seen Omagh so I won't comment. Bands and their presence or lack thereof should not be the determinant in the consistency of the application of the disciplinary process.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 24/07/2014 16:42:49    1625454

Hill16 it is a matter of public record that photographic evidence was used in support of the allegation . I agree that Paddy McBrearty should have attended the hearing . No disciplinary body of The GAA will recommend a suspension unless they believe it is robust enough to withstand an appeal. To say they had nothing is arrant nonsense on your part.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 24/07/2014 17:01:34    1625470

TheMaster
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1625433 Breffni39
Themaster, it is a fact that the band was with in 5 metres away. It may have been 1, it may have been 3. If you want to squabble exact distances then fire away but I'm not interested. We could be here a long time arguing about it cos I dont remember anyone having a measuring tape at the time.

Well then why bring the distance into it breffni? It was yourself who did that, don't forget. Being 5 metres away and watching, and having 3 or 4 intercounty athletes crash into you would be two different things to be on the receiving end of, Im sure.


Look I just picked a number for numbers sake, they were near the band, I'm not disputing this, jesus wept

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 24/07/2014 17:16:44    1625479

Soma
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1625431 The Master you have some excellent posts on this but I have a feeling you will be ignored. I know we can all be partisan at times but there seems to be some people who have a persecution complex that prevents them from even enjoying the games which is sad to see.

Stick to the topic not the posters Soma.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 24/07/2014 17:17:32    1625481

Of course there is no consistency with the ruling bodies of the GAA. I see a difference in how the Antrim CCCC treat different clubs for similar offences. I see a difference in how the CCCC deal with incidents at County level. There are differences and no-one can really come on here and post to say otherwise and truly believe that those with the powers treat everyone the same. As to their reasoning, the respective CCCCs are the only ones who can truly answer that though taking it back to County level and my own County I and the dogs in the street know exactly what one of their criteria is though they would never admit that there is even any difference let alone the reason for it.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 24/07/2014 17:20:12    1625482

Well said Greengrass and Goldrick.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 24/07/2014 17:20:56    1625483

So just for clarity purposes. IF I accept that the Armagh Cavan and Dublin Meath brawls are not comparable and park the inconsistency issue, we're all ok with no punishments arising from the Dublin Meath brawl?

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 24/07/2014 17:34:16    1625491

Sorry greengrass, by semantics do you mean the facts? Arent you yourself 'playing games with semantics' by misrepresenting the facts, when you dismiss children getting knocked out of the way by intercounty footballers? Inconsequential is it? Semantics right?
The point is there were people caught in the crossfire, therefore this case was much worse and if it is much worse then it cant be the same, that is the bottom line. In the context of this thread, it means that it isn't a double standard because the two cases are different to begin with due to said people getting put in danger. The charges might be the same, but being pragmatic about it, common sense tells us that these lads need to get charged with something because frankly they were a disgrace.

Breffni, you said 5 metres to make it sound less threatening than it actually was, it is obvious that this is what you were doing. Let's not bs here. The thing is you are now trying to play it down, as if I am nitpicking, yet it was yourself who felt the need to mislead people in the first place by introducing this point.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/07/2014 17:49:22    1625502

Breffni39
So just for clarity purposes. IF I accept that the Armagh Cavan and Dublin Meath brawls are not comparable and park the inconsistency issue, we're all ok with no punishments arising from the Dublin Meath brawl

No, personally, I think the two meath lads should be punished, as well as any Dublin lad who done the same thing and obviously O'Gara also. How much proof do they need? The guy had teeth marks on his finger. The gaa keep passing the book and this is going to come to a head. Hopefully nobody is seriously hurt in the meantime. People should consider for a minute what would happen if the same thing happened in soccer. There would be bans instantly. This mentality of say nothing and hope it will be forgotten is a disaster.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/07/2014 17:55:23    1625507

Green grass

But its a Gaa rule that photographic evidence is not used plus the real problem with that case was nobody had any evidence to which player they were accusing

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/07/2014 17:59:19    1625509

TheMaster
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Breffni, you said 5 metres to make it sound less threatening than it actually was, it is obvious that this is what you were doing. Let's not bs here. The thing is you are now trying to play it down, as if I am nitpicking, yet it was yourself who felt the need to mislead people in the first place by introducing this point.

OK fair enough, you clearly know me better than I do myself, you weren't nitpicking at all and the exact distance between the players and the band is a hugely important aspect in this whole debate.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 24/07/2014 18:10:46    1625512

I'm not saying hurling doesn't have its disciplinary problems because it does, but how come nearly all these "mass brawls", or whatever you want to call them, happen in football. Serious question.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 24/07/2014 21:29:57    1625617

Balydalane, they're just as prevalent in hurling, but don't get highlighted in the same way. Did you not see what happened in the Cork Clare game after Anthony Nash's penalty was saved? Plenty of striking with hurls, no action taken.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 25/07/2014 09:01:09    1625650

ballydalane

it actually happens in most big hurling matches
when the melee happened last sunday and i seen him give yellows all around
my first reaction was this must be a hurling ref haha
in fairness he used common sense at the time as the game was well and truly over
the only people who gain from it would be their next opponents if he sent anybody off

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/07/2014 10:44:53    1625699

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1625509 Green grass

But its a Gaa rule that photographic evidence is not used plus the real problem with that case was nobody had any evidence to which player they were accusing

I'll take your word on the photographic evidence Hill. However to say the CCCC would recommend a three game ban with no evidence to support the ban is wrong. There had to be credible evidence there otherwise no ban would have been recommended.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 25/07/2014 12:23:03    1625782