23/07/2014 21:56:48 roundball Dublin Region sounds like the worst franchise name ever... Team AIG True Blues is much punchier. I would object to the Champions Round on the grounds it would further disrupt club matches. If we are to expand the championship it'll have to be in a round robin form with pre-planned fixtures so club championships can be scheduled around it. But you make sense... That would be great for everyone but is there any chance of it happening? 26/07/2014 14:32:27 omahant To Legendzxix - 1) The champs round extends the front door and back door sreams each by one round - preserving the current imbalance from unequal provs. 2) Current systems puts 4 through the front door, champs round puts 2 - but my 24/7 put 3 with balance enhanced. To Tommy 58 - I agree with your points. In the World Cup Finals Rd of 16, a 9-point team most likely plays a beaten team, and the 9-point team never claims an injustice when they go out on a first loss in any of the 4 KO rounds. My 24/7 addresses much of what's wrong with the current structure But your 24/7 idea puts Leinster and Ulster on a pedestal over Munster and Connacht simply because they are bigger. That is ridiculous
Ormo Why would sides play weakened sides in champions round? It will determine who they play in the next round and they wouldn't risk delib losing or poten losing for morale etc Take this year for example, it is widely thought by many (though not all, including me) that the All-Ireland is between Donegal and Dublin, and that Dublin will be vulnerable against Donegal as they have never played against a defensive side like them before. Do you really think Jim McGuinness would allow Dublin a free look at his defensive game plan for 70 minutes in a champions round, greatly increasing the chance that when they meet again later in the competition Dublin will have it figured out? My belief is that a number of Donegals key players would pull out the morning of the game with sickness etc, trusting that they would have to beat Dublin again later in the year regardless and that they would focus on that game instead. For such a farce to be allowed so late in the championship would be no good for anyone. Ballydelane I believe it is a reference to Dublin having 2 hurling teams but just 1 football team at inter-county level. But mainly id imagine it is to wind-up our city cousins.
How about Champs Rd - 2 winners to AI QFs; 2 losers to Qual Rd 3; 4 losing prov finalists to existing Qual Rd 2 (now a round of 20) 6 winners from 12-team Qual Rd 3 complete the AI QF field.
27/07/2014 11:39:16 ballydalane I don't get the "Dublin region" thing, what's the joke here? That Dublin should be split up? That Dublin is too big and strong now and all that.... 27/07/2014 12:50:56 Soma Ormo Why would sides play weakened sides in champions round? It will determine who they play in the next round and they wouldn't risk delib losing or poten losing for morale etc Take this year for example, it is widely thought by many (though not all, including me) that the All-Ireland is between Donegal and Dublin, and that Dublin will be vulnerable against Donegal as they have never played against a defensive side like them before. Do you really think Jim McGuinness would allow Dublin a free look at his defensive game plan for 70 minutes in a champions round, greatly increasing the chance that when they meet again later in the competition Dublin will have it figured out? My belief is that a number of Donegals key players would pull out the morning of the game with sickness etc, trusting that they would have to beat Dublin again later in the year regardless and that they would focus on that game instead. For such a farce to be allowed so late in the championship would be no good for anyone. Ballydelane I believe it is a reference to Dublin having 2 hurling teams but just 1 football team at inter-county level. But mainly id imagine it is to wind-up our city cousins. Soma why cant you say Ormond and not troll? Why wouldn't Jim McGuinness give Dublin a look at defensive patterns etc he would be confident enough in his own abilities as coach and his own team to deal with any opposition regardless. You don't see Munster/Leinster hiding tactics etc when they play in pro12 full throttle a week before Heineken cup start and quarter finals...
02/08/2014 18:59:40 omahant To Legendzxix - How about Champs Rd - 2 winners to AI QFs; 2 losers to Qual Rd 3; 4 losing prov finalists to existing Qual Rd 2 (now a round of 20) 6 winners from 12-team Qual Rd 3 complete the AI QF field. Provincial champions should all enter all Ireland series at same stage or provincial cups should be separate. Leinster/Ulster champions shouldn't be in all Ireland enter later stage simply because they are bigger provinces
1625575 The Champions' Round proposal was 'inspired' by two strange ideas.
1. That it was unfair that if you were beaten in a knock-out match, you were knocked out while if you were beaten in a non knock out match, you weren't knocked out 2. That you weren't better off being in the quarter final than having to win one match (or more) to reach the quarter final.
Can anyone give me another example in the history of any sport in any country where either of these strange ideas is considered seriously.
You are spot on Tommy. Nobody would suggest that a team that is unbeaten in the group stages of the world cup finals should get a second chance in the knock-out stages. Yet people seem to think that it is somehow grossly unfair when a provincial champion is beaten by a team from the qualifiers.
To Ormond - re: your last post - even when I treat all the prov champs the same, you refuse to see it - the champs rd has that name for a reason - giving Lein and Uls preferential treatment has nothing to do with point I made here
02/08/2014 21:51:42 omahant To Ormond - re: your last post - even when I treat all the prov champs the same, you refuse to see it - the champs rd has that name for a reason - giving Lein and Uls preferential treatment has nothing to do with point I made here Omahant its very simple any changes to championship structure should not see any provincial champions getting preferential treatment and no provinces should be combined and these are 2 main points of virtually everyone of your structures. I refuse to see what exactly?
Why wouldn't Jim McGuinness give Dublin a look at defensive patterns etc he would be confident enough in his own abilities as coach and his own team to deal with any opposition regardless. You don't see Munster/Leinster hiding tactics etc when they play in pro12 full throttle a week before Heineken cup start and quarter finals... What sort of comparison is that Ormo? GAA managers name dummy teams, train behind closed doors etc to ensure they don't give the opposition an insight into how they will play, the idea that Jim McGuinness would go out and give Jim Galvin 70 minutes to assess how Donegal play knowing that they would probably be facing each other again 1 month later is a ridiculous idea.