That was probably his best scoring run for Tyrone Fabio, its along way from the 'always good for 3-4 points per game' statement you made though. The joy of the passing of time is that legends grow.
The noughties Kerry team were definitely better than the 11 version of Dublin in my opinion MichaelO. This Dublin team is almost unrecognisable from that 11 side, I think this is something many have not recognised yet.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 22/07/2014 20:06:31    1624447

cavanagh playing in the forwards was probably main reason they won in 2008 though as they lacked a top level inside forward by that stage....i would have dooher mcguigan either mellon who had the superb 2005 final on tomas o se kicking 3 points from play i think?/or cavanagh if you count him....with mulligan canavan and stephen o neill..sadly they were greatly hampered by injuries most notably mcguigan and o neill...canavan and o neill at their best had very few peers..bernard in 2010 and alan in 2011 form would be up there with some of the very best

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 22/07/2014 20:12:18    1624458

What are Tyrone's 6 best forward from there 3 all Ireland winning team and don't put Sean Cavanagh in there cause he's played midfield most of his Tyrone career.

I'd say McGuigan, O'Neill, Canavan, Dooher, Mulligan and also Ger Cavlan, who played in 2003 and was as talented as anyone. Lacked consistency and had well-documented problems off the field but in terms of pure talent he's in the top six. If he doesn't count because he only featured in one then I'd say Cavanagh because he was very attack-minded and had his best year at full-forward.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 22/07/2014 20:15:38    1624460

1 error soma..move on...i agreed with a lot of points you have made in the rugby thread yet our football opinions are vastly different? .hard to know as regards dublin 2011..very hard to beat and dogged...current side can be very open at times but we will only know in due course...kerry of the noughties best team i have seen with tyrone 2003 and 2005 only matching them but kerry had the far greater consistency

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 22/07/2014 20:16:18    1624461

People say ye're too good, ye're not happy. People say ye're not good enough, ye're not happy. Ye Dubs seem as comfortable in your own skins as a hermit crab.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 22/07/2014 20:27:27    1624467

Soma
Can't agree with u at all and I think you have not a clue how Donegal system works.
It's been well summed up this last few weeks :::J Brolly:::they say Dublin are unbeatable, one word for that ::DONEGAL

Kevin Madden former Antrim player::: last Sunday Donegal's Defensive System was the best organised and most effective defensive system that was ever seen in Gaelic Football.
Is K Madden right when he says that. ??? I'd like your opinions.

John mcEntee on Sundays game :::don't really like Donegals style of play but he describes how good the players are at the Defensive game. He was on about people complaining about M Murphy not playing in near goal ( full forward line ) but explained how M Murphy went back to no7 so that he could cover for no7 Paddy McGrath , who in turn with FmcGlynn covered N McGee /E McGee
jMcEntee thinks only Mayo,Dublin and Kerry have a chance to beat Donegal but any of them wants to thread wearily if they meet.
As regards Mayo last year they hammered us fair enough but Soma don't you forget 2012 with silverware at stake. I'd like your opinion on that one.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 22/07/2014 21:08:17    1624510

10.Flynn 11.A Brogan 12. Connolly 13.Canavan 14. O Neill 15. B brogan. If all in there pomp that would be the 6 forwards that would get picked from both teams

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/07/2014 21:08:42    1624514

in your opinion..mcguigan at his very best was superb as was dooher..i would have either of them in ahead of connolly and maybe even flynn..the 2 brogans shoe ins though of course..how do you think alan is playing this year?..i think he has declined but maybe hes saving it for later in the championship

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 22/07/2014 21:13:19    1624515

Ok fair enough I disagree 100% but that's your opinion, our we friends now? Alan Brogan is back to his best after a two year injury and is a nightmare for defenders , fabio where you from? I still don't think there's any great tactics to beat Donegal you just have to be patient and hope you eventually wear them down, like they play so many men behind the ball it's impossible to say what way there is to beat them just go for it IMO. One thing we have is blistering pace so I'm hoping that's were we find gaps against with our overlapping runs. But I still can't see how Devenney can guarantee a Donegal victory against us.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/07/2014 21:23:25    1624523

haha i guess so...of course his comments were completely over the top..well running at pace through them seemed to work for mayo anyway but they seem like a much different animal this year....be very interesting to see how impressive they are in the quarters...1 would still favour dublin of course but i feel donegal could give them a major scare

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 22/07/2014 21:28:20    1624528

10.Flynn 11.A Brogan 12. Connolly 13.Canavan 14. O Neill 15. B brogan. If all in there pomp that would be the 6 forwards that would get picked from both teams

I'm the opposite to fabio8, I'd be happy with Flynn and Connolly starting, but I'd prefer McGuigan to Alan Brogan. All very subjective obviously. There aren't many players like Brian about these days, maybe because pace is so important.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 22/07/2014 21:37:12    1624536

Don't mind his comments. Devenny only wants to sound controversial just wants to get on the Sunday game panel.
It would be a could game. But a lot of football to be played before now and then.

red1980 (Donegal) - Posts: 106 - 22/07/2014 21:38:57    1624539

What Iv saw of Dublin so far is that when they change players (subs) they are usually in cruise control and usually against weak badly organised teams. So it is easy for the subs to perform and how talented they are we will soon find out. What we must not forget is that it will be a free flowing team v a system. As most know good systems can also win games
Now as regards to 2011 Donegal were not as far advanced as they are now , they are more battled hardened , cutter and have come through some tough battles since that day
I am sure we will put Dublin up to the test in a game that could be as bad as 2011 but a different result
For sure Dublin won't be running through like last Sunday but before that I feel Monaghan will meet Dublin , another street fight and I can't see D Rock,CCostello or any of the young Dublin players posting big scores.
One thing I must say about Monaghan on Sunday, very few give their backs much credit , D Whylie must be the best full back in Ireland at the moment They don't concede too many goals and are a very impressive unit.
Whatever happens I can't see either Donegal/Monaghan being overrun by Dublin like Meath/Wexford /Laois and no disprect to those three counties. We were there ourselves but I think we are getting back to something like our old selves.
Teddy McCarthy summed it up in yesterday's Irish Mail::Donegal were ugly and they are back to haunt Gaelic football once again, the game wants Dublin to put one over Donegal down the road , if they collide:::what we were subject to yesterday was absolutely shocking::: the cream will come to the top and Donegal /Monaghan are not the cream. Then he says :::JMcG and his psychology :::: He fools the opposition, gets them in a frame of mind where they become almost infatuated by what Donegal are doing. Dublin won't do that , they won't be fooled by McG but the rest of the teams left in the championship will Just when you thought that their style from 2011 was gone forever, it's back-and worse than ever

Teddy did you ever wonder why they composed the song :::JIMMYS WINNING MATCHES.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 22/07/2014 21:49:52    1624550

clondalkindub
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Ok fair enough I disagree 100% but that's your opinion, our we friends now? Alan Brogan is back to his best after a two year injury and is a nightmare for defenders , fabio where you from? I still don't think there's any great tactics to beat Donegal you just have to be patient and hope you eventually wear them down, like they play so many men behind the ball it's impossible to say what way there is to beat them just go for it IMO. One thing we have is blistering pace so I'm hoping that's were we find gaps against with our overlapping runs. But I still can't see how Devenney can guarantee a Donegal victory against us.

Yes I agree, Alan Brogan is on fire this year, and was probably unlucky not to make the team last year. Excellent player, definitely one of the finest players of the past 10 years.

The last time I heard Brendan Devenney on predicting Donegal matches was 2012, when he caused a bit of an uproar by saying Donegal would beat Mayo in the All Ireland final.

As for beating Donegal, well we all know that no team is unbeatable. Donegal have this year altered their style again, and look a bit different. Still defensive, but they leave less gaps when going forward this year.
If I was trying to set my team up to beat them, I would mimic them. Copy exactly what they are doing, but try and do it better and more efficiently.
However Dublin are unlikely to revert to older tactics.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 22/07/2014 21:59:24    1624567

Interesting to note that 4 of the forwards that started on Sun for Dublin also started against Donegal in 2011. A day on which Donegal held us to 8 points over 70. Two converted half-balks, Cullen and Cahill, started in the forwards in 2011 and this to me highlights to me the difference between the Dublin of then, very defensive, and the Dublin of now, very offensive. Those two players would likely be replaced by Costello and Kevin Mc now. Would be interesting to see how Donegal shut out this rampaging Dublin attacking style and gung-ho tactics.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 22/07/2014 22:02:55    1624571

Best way for Dublin to beat Donegeal is to run at them all day long. May be frustrating in the first half but eventually Donegal will start coughing up frees. Kicking the ball in against donegal is asking for trouble. Mcmanaman caused them all sorts in 2011. While it's a different donegal team(more attacking) the defense is still the same. Dublin also have the subs to make a difference. Still believe it would be as tight and tense a game as we've seen all year.
I do believe Clondalkin is correct though this Dublin set of forwards is unrivalled and if any team in the country went man to man with this dubs team like the old days they'd be annihilated, every one of them. For the sake of everyone however I hope they don't win it!

Juggernaut (USA) - Posts: 110 - 23/07/2014 08:56:32    1624583

To be fair Gary, Devenney is often on Newstalk before big Donegal matches predicting the result. He predicted an easy Donegal win in last year's Ulster final and fancied Monaghan at the weekend(though I expect he was being a cute hoor there)! But sure Donegal folk are in high spirits right now so why shouldn't they be confident. I personally don't see anyone beating the Dubs this year but what do I know, time will tell.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 23/07/2014 09:06:26    1624588

He wasn't being a cute buck pre Monaghan, he isn't the best for predictions that's for sure!!

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 23/07/2014 10:09:49    1624629

Dublin have a lot of great athletes but Tyrone had the more skillful footballers. Brian McGuigan and Joe McMahon springs to mind and also someone, surprisingly, who nobody has mentioned - Colm McCullagh - who was for me far and away the best player on the pitch when Tyrone destroyed Dublin in 08

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 23/07/2014 10:52:09    1624650

Joe McMahon is more skillful than Dermot Connolly or Bernard Brogan?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 23/07/2014 11:08:25    1624663