Donegalman
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Yes I have seen a plan B in action with donegal, it is called a sub bench Ned. Hopefully we will not need a plan C though.

Great plan B. How does it measure up against Dublin's bench as a matter of interest?

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 22/07/2014 17:42:44    1624298

Obviously I meant Kerry '13 semi final which is known as the greatest game of all time, 3 or 4 points a game from Dooher huh when did he score that amount regularly? Listen Dooher and the rest were great players but after that they've no one really we could field 6 different forwards from last Sunday who would be just as good so for me it's the best panel of players from one county there's ever been. Look at our backs; no Cooper Brennan Nolan Lowdnes Byrne O Brien etc come on Fabio your telling me there's been better panels?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/07/2014 17:48:29    1624307

This notion of what Dublin's forwards would not be able to do against Donegal is laughable. Think what Mayo's forwards did to them last year and multiply that by 2 and that's before O'Gara, Rock and Costello come off the bench. I don't think the bus will work against these Dublin forwards. You would need to dig up and remove the posts from the ground.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 22/07/2014 18:01:49    1624320

I hope the game happens, I hope everyone is fully fit and I hope they battle it out in the semi's. That game would capture the attention of the whole of Ireland.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 22/07/2014 18:03:09    1624322

Indeed Clondalkindub, I wonder how many times Dooher scored 4 or more points in a championship game. It seems unlikely he would have been averaging that amount most days as suggested. Even in his best year in 08 id imagine he averaged maybe 2 points a game.
On the topic of the thread, does anyone feel that Donegals defence seems quite dodgy again this year? Against a very limited Monaghan side they handed them an easy goal from a woeful defensive fumble, and really Monaghan were probably entitled to a penalty as well. Obviously Donegal people will say last years game against Mayo doesn't count, but the ease with which Mayo cut through them on a fast, wide pitch was embarrassing. If they are giving up a couple of goal chances to Monaghan in Clones, you would have to think the Dubs will be able to open them up plenty of times again should they meet in Croke Park.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 22/07/2014 18:08:00    1624327

Loads of football to be played before any semi finals.
However some people are mental if they thing that Donegal cant put it up to Dublin. Donegal are capable of putting it up to anyone.
People can bring up Mayo last year all they want but IF you take that game out then we have other lost 2 championship matches in the last 3.5 years and both by small margins.

Last year everyone could tell Donegal were struggling. even with Cavan and down we struggled. Monaghan caught us very bad and deservedly beat us (both physically and mentally). The lads had 6 days to prepare for Laois where again they were unconvincing. Then came the annihilation by Mayo. So all in all last year was a write off and yet we made an Ulster Final and AI QF.

This year in Championship we have beaten everything we have came up against convincingly. However then these teams are slated as being poor. Before Derry we were told Derry would beat us, then we were told Monaghan would beat us and now they are poor teams apparently.

I hope we get to the Semi (tough game ahead though) and I hope we really put it up to Dublin. One thing I am nearly certain is that Donegal wont bow down to Dublin like Leinster have this year. And one more thing I don't see Monaghan Bowing down to them either.

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 22/07/2014 18:36:01    1624348

greatest game of all time?..says who?..well you were saying the dublin lads were better then the lads i mentioned now you are saying its the panel and subs who are better so which one is it?..there is no doubt dublin have an exceptional side...2009 kerry very impressive though kennelly galvin 2 o sullivans tommy walsh donaghy and gooch of course..if the team is as good as you claim..they will have no issue with beating what the rest of the championship has to offer...no need to complain or make excuses about what tactics teams apply..dublin were very negative if you were to judge them by the way certain teams are judged in 2010 and 2011 for instance...great teams figure it out

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 22/07/2014 18:41:28    1624354

Indeed Clondalkindub, I wonder how many times Dooher scored 4 or more points in a championship game. It seems unlikely he would have been averaging that amount most days as suggested. Even in his best year in 08 id imagine he averaged maybe 2 points a game.

Well in fairness it wasn't really his role though I wouldn't be surprised if he scored more than the average wing-forward. He gave a great display against Donegal in 2007, scoring five that day I think. He scored a lot of great points for someone who's more renowned for being a workhorse.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 22/07/2014 18:44:38    1624357

on a side note dublin are always going to have an excellent overall panel compared to most teams..that is where stuff like population comes to the fore as the smaller counties can be very weak after the initial 17-18 with cork and dublin often having very strong panels

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 22/07/2014 18:46:57    1624360

Ah ya MichaelO, and he used to get scores at crucial times as well, it was just Fabios suggestion that he was always good for 3-4 points a game I was commenting on. I just looked there and in 08, his best year probably, he didn't even average 2 points a game. He was a very effective footballer no doubt and key to Tyrones success but I would say he probably wouldn't make this Dublin team, though that is only my opinion and I fully understand why some people would suggest otherwise.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 22/07/2014 19:05:55    1624375

that is your opinion soma...i just would disagree with it completely as i regard dooher as one of the finest wing forwards i have ever seen...his point v kerry in the 1st half of the 2008 final most notably showing his immense quality

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 22/07/2014 19:18:52    1624386

I said "panel" from the get go fabio, and I told you our forwards were better than the Tyrone forwards you mentioned and then I pointed out the rest of our forwards who were subs or didn't play on Sunday to highlight how strong our panel is. I'll repeat myself "this is the greatest panel of players from one county there's ever been"

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/07/2014 19:23:35    1624393

well that is where we disagree clondalkin...i feel dublins best 6 forwards at the minute are not on the same level as tyrone teams of 2003 2005 and the great kerry side of the 00s...dublin do find themselves in an excellent spot..only bernard brogan flynn and maybe connolly on his best day are irreplaceable.....lets see what this dublin team go on to do in the next few years before making declarations like 'the greatest' and so on..things looking very promising though no doubt

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 22/07/2014 19:30:26    1624401

fabio8
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on a side note dublin are always going to have an excellent overall panel compared to most teams..that is where stuff like population comes to the fore as the smaller counties can be very weak after the initial 17-18 with cork and dublin often having very strong panels

Really? Population? I would never have thought that.

bluedubstar (Dublin) - Posts: 835 - 22/07/2014 19:30:58    1624402

well certain posters from big counties dont seem to realise that it does play a major role so they have to be told now and again..did i upset you?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 22/07/2014 19:35:01    1624407

Fair enough Fabio, an argument can be made either way on that. You might be disappointed though if you picked him for Dublin and he averages about 1 point per game, compared to the 3-4 per game you remember him getting for Tyrone.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 22/07/2014 19:37:25    1624409

well he scored 2,3 and 3 points respectively in his final 3 games of the championship that year so i wasnt that far out was i?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 22/07/2014 19:45:41    1624419

He was a very effective footballer no doubt and key to Tyrones success but I would say he probably wouldn't make this Dublin team

Who knows, I know it was only 5-10 years ago but the game advances very quickly in terms of strength & conditioning and how the game is played. It's very hard to compare different eras. For example, Kerry in 2011 and 2013 gave Dublin their fill of it - logically would that mean that the noughties Kerry team are better than Dublin? Same with Tyrone in 2012, we lost to Donegal by two points and could've won - does that mean that the noughties Tyrone team would've easily accounted Donegal's 2012 team? I strongly doubt it.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 22/07/2014 19:54:53    1624426

Ned_Stormcrow
County: Cavan
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Great plan B. How does it measure up against Dublin's bench as a matter of interest?

A lot better than Cavans sub bench did this year thats for sure. Seriously, you can have a plan B while staying in a defensive formation. Likely to put Murphy in the full forward line, and switch a mid fielder with a half forward, or sub a mid field player, or a half back, or instruct the half backs to alternate the ball carrying on either wing up the pitch.

I find it funny that so many people are moaning about donegals performance on sunday, when we were more adventurous going forward than monaghan were, and there isnt a word about them, (not that I am complaining). Most of the moaning about negative defensive football is coming from counties that have played absolute muck in the championship, and showed no bottle whatsoever. There is one thing for sure this year about our lads, they will give it 110% and back it up with football as well.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 22/07/2014 19:59:10    1624433

What are Tyrone's 6 best forward from there 3 all Ireland winning team and don't put Sean Cavanagh in there cause he's played midfield most of his Tyrone career.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/07/2014 20:03:20    1624440