I can't believe this forum !
Dublin are the bench mark for other teams to strive for. I dont care about high profile sponsorship deals because every county is providing their squads with nutritional information and suppliments to aid recovery, hydration etc.
What we are seeing is a golden era, not just for Dublin but for football. This is easily the best team to come on the scene in the last 20 yrs in my opinion. They are not muscle bound jersey splitting robots but strong athletic players who work hard, train hard and play well.
Most teams are actually beaten before they play Dublin as mentally they are not positive. I feel Kerry or Donegal will have no such fear if they meet Dublin.
As for taking the Dubs out of Leinster !!! .
If we applied the logic of removing successful teams because others are not winning then we would like to remove Donegal, Monaghan, Down, Tyrone, Armagh and Derry from Ulster please

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 22/07/2014 12:37:41    1623861

Dublin are the dominant team at all age levels. Even at club they are dominant. This isn't some finite cycle. Its the way things are now. It's only because of Dublin's poor organisation that it hasn't been like this far longer.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 22/07/2014 12:40:16    1623868

Do those slating Jack Goff think Galway should be made play in a Connacht hurling championship ? Or Antrim go back to hammering everyone in Ulster every year? This is turning into the same situation Dublin have won 9/10 and look set to win the next ten . Thankfully the hurling people fixed the problem rather just sneering at anyone who came up with new ideas. Do people not want competitive competitions? The provincial championships are clearly outdated

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 22/07/2014 12:48:11    1623880

I think the 'amalgamating some counties' idea has some merits. But how would you decide which ones to amalgamate? I know, just join up each county in each province! Then the best players from the four provinces could play against each other in like a semi final and then the two winners could play in the final! Why hasnt anyone thought of this before?!? I've sure the crowds would be ENORMUS for such a competition!

Oh wait......

DNS1916 (Dublin) - Posts: 64 - 22/07/2014 13:03:54    1623898

ID be the first to admit Dublin play exciting football, and beat us of the park last Sunday with ease, it was a toothless display by Meath ((no pun intended), and the whole biting incident is embarrassing..only last week MOD said Meath didnt whinge...

sob (Meath) - Posts: 492 - 22/07/2014 14:24:05    1624021

bad.monkey
County: USA
Posts: 3794

1623880
Do those slating Jack Goff think Galway should be made play in a Connacht hurling championship ? Or Antrim go back to hammering everyone in Ulster every year? This is turning into the same situation Dublin have won 9/10 and look set to win the next ten . Thankfully the hurling people fixed the problem rather just sneering at anyone who came up with new ideas. Do people not want competitive competitions? The provincial championships are clearly outdated

Antrim are current Ulster Hurling Champions, and last year, and the year before, and the year before that etc etc.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 22/07/2014 14:31:16    1624031

cavan won 13 out of 14 ulster titles at one stage
kilkenny won similiar leinster titles up to a couple of years ago
donegal have now won 3 out of 4 ulster titles
kerry and cork have shared the munster titles for the last 22 years
nobody minded this or does mind it

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/07/2014 15:31:11    1624155

MesAmis
County: Dublin

How's the Connacht Hurling Championship going these days?

Before they moved Galway to Leinster it was badly supported and won by Galway every year. Now it's badly supported and won by more than just 1 team every year. I'd say it's getting on better but the real benefactor is the Leinster hurling championship. It's miles better with galway in it.

MesAmis
County: Dublin
All these ranting hystrionics are gonna look very funny when this Dublin team comes to the end of it's natural cycle and Dublin enter a period of transition in a few years time!

Hey, who knows maybe this Dublin team has already peaked and won't win another All-Ireland title? It's very possible.

None of you can predict the future, even if most of your ravings are based on trying to predict the future.

I'm talking about Leinster not the AI. You can never win the AI again but what good is it if you win 30 Leinsters in a row? NAd you went through a transitional period in your current Leinster domination. Still didn't stop you winning Leinsters. Your next transition will be seamless. Right now you're missing players like Kevin Nolan, Ger Brennan and Ciaran Kilkenny. It's like there not even there such is the Dublin talent. If your best players like Brogan play badly in the first 25mins they're subbed off. I seriously doubt you'll go into a transition again anytime soon. This year you won the Leinster u21/u18 again. It will only get worse.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 22/07/2014 15:42:31    1624169

realman2
County: Kildare
Dublin are the dominant team at all age levels. Even at club they are dominant. This isn't some finite cycle. Its the way things are now. It's only because of Dublin's poor organisation that it hasn't been like this far longer.

Exactly. They are winning most leinster club championships and getting to the AI final every year now as well. The fact is some of their clubs would beat some counties. TO even suggest these smaller counties can just get their act together shows how delusional some people are.

bad.monkey
County: USA
Do those slating Jack Goff think Galway should be made play in a Connacht hurling championship ? Or Antrim go back to hammering everyone in Ulster every year? This is turning into the same situation Dublin have won 9/10 and look set to win the next ten . Thankfully the hurling people fixed the problem rather just sneering at anyone who came up with new ideas. Do people not want competitive competitions? The provincial championships are clearly outdated

Thank you bad monkey. The problem here is I'm from meath so it's seen as whinging and not being a good Meath man who doesn't complain. I really should have set up a new account and put my county as carlow for this thread.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 22/07/2014 15:46:26    1624173

If that's the only part of Bad.Monkeys post you disagree with mesAmis then were getting on more and more of the same level. BTW Antrim are only winning their finals by a point or two in Ulster so they're not too good to leave the province. Hence why they didn't leave it completely.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 22/07/2014 15:49:19    1624174

i have more issue with the provincial structure in general hill as i feel the championship needs to be revamped and changed sooner rather than later but thats just my opinion..very few people have issue with certain counties dominated provinces as its always been the way and things go in cycles..this thread is just an over the top over reaction

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 22/07/2014 15:53:23    1624180

hill16 says nobosy minds the provinces being dominated. Actually hill most people do. It's crap and unexciting. I don't care one bit for the Munster championship. May as well not be played. Same for Connaught and same for Leinster. Ulster is the only competitive province where more teams than not can win it.

Your post just proves the provincials need to be taken away with the exception of Ulster. And you know the funny thing is Leinster would be like Ulster if Dublin never existed. It would be highly competitive with at least 6 teams capable of winning it on any given year.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 22/07/2014 16:01:33    1624191

This thread confirms my view that while elite county teams take sports science extremely seriously and have stats on everything about the game, most fans are stuck in the past and cant see the obvious faults in the championship structure that are increasingly leading to an extremely boring championship until the semi finals.

I don't agree that Dublin should be moved to another province but I do think a dublin spilt is the only thing that football championship.

Dublins advantages are too numerous for counties with one fifth the population to compete with.

All the people on here from Kerry, Mayo and Donegal are so proud of themselves that they think they can compete with the dubs. Let's see how you go this year and then the year after and then the year after that.

Kildare and Meath used to be able to compete with them as well but not any more and not in the future.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 22/07/2014 17:00:35    1624255

Jack_Goff

nobody has called for cork and kerry to be moved to another province like you are
or kilkenny or cavan when they were doing the same
armagh and tyrone shared nearly a decade of ulster titles only a few years ago yet there was no outcry
you say you dont care for munster championship well i think this was its best year in recent times
waterford and clare drew and went to a replay
tipp went mighty close to knocking cork out and have thus improved for it
clare put in a massive performance against kerry and improved for it.
the final was actualy the worse round and it involved the two top teams.
you say ulster is the only one thats good but is that because most of them go out not to lose instead of wanting to try and win
like in the other provinces you say its competitve yes because scorelines are close but the actual football
can be very boring to watch, at the end of the day you got the same final as last year aswell.
yeah it mayb be like ulster but then what would happen to the teams that win it they would never improve
as having dublin in leinster should be a way of measuring them countys and giving them something to aim at as we have raised the standard its up to the others to step up to that standard not look for us to be taken out!

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/07/2014 17:59:51    1624318

7 pages and over 130 comments on a thread titled "Take Dublin Out of Leinster?", come on people, are we really serious here?

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 22/07/2014 18:07:28    1624326

Jack your post is ridiculous moving a county out of its own province is pure daft,its a bit much for a supporter of the second best team in Leinster to want to get rid of the best team. There is no Connaught hurling championship any more and there has been as many winners of the Connaught championship over the last 15 years as there has been the Ulster championship. But you have a good point about the massive advantage Dublin has compared to other counties which no counties no matter how hard the work the will not be able to match, the next census is due in 2016 where the population of Dublin will probably be a million and a half, plus the croke park and the massive financial advantage, Dublin needs to be spilt in 5 or 6 which is the only way to ensure a fair championship for the future. People talk about putting smaller counties together will would massively damage football in these counties but you could put Sligo, Roscommon, Leitrim, Longford and Westmeath together and still only get a fifth of the current Dublin population. Plus Dublin has a far higher percentage of its population under 30 then most other counties in Ireland.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 22/07/2014 19:14:35    1624382

I haven't read back through the thread but if the thread creator expressed as much concern for Carlow when his side crushed them in the Leinster Championship I'd give him credit. It's another case of flawed deductive reasoning where the supposed logic goes something like Dublin have the biggest population, the best resources so therefore will be the best. It's nonsense however, it has no valid basis in reality. Sport does not necessarily require huge relative populations to achieve success and there are numerous examples of that. The most successful counties in Gaelic Games do not hail from the highest population centres. Sensationalist paranoid rubbish.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 22/07/2014 20:08:13    1624451

Ros1

Through all them statistics you missed one glaring one that dublin have 1 million people registered living in the county. But how many of them play gaa?
Dublin has not got the largest numbers playing Gaa cork has. So therefore we could have ten million living here but what does it matter as if there not playing Gaa they ain't available for selection

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/07/2014 20:12:31    1624459

Also 5 of Dublin's team on Sunday are sons of former players
One was a brother of a former player and another is the son of the county board executive

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/07/2014 20:19:41    1624462

its the same in every county though hill...even reducing all the numbers..dublin still have huge numbers over the majority of counties...i would be interested to see the cork-dublin statistic and especially has it changed much in recent years as i imagine it has....ireland is one city dominated so this problem was always going to flare up

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 22/07/2014 20:24:22    1624466