All teams have a dominant Era, Kilkenny Hurling in the 2000's Tyrone to some degree in the 2000's. Kerry in the 1980's. Dublin have managed to find an exceptional crop of players. But this purple patch will pass and teams will adapt and catch up and the playing field will level. In 2012 people said Donegal would dominate for years to come, 2013 Monaghan took ulster off them and Mayo humiliated them in Croke Park. Meath will come back stronger, Kildare will get Stronger. Teams will work systems to counteract the current Dublin System, and power will shift.

manowar (Fermanagh) - Posts: 147 - 22/07/2014 09:21:32    1623633

Jack Goff

Immediately you fly off the hook
I never once mentioned Meath population my point was that the number if people announced in a census of an area is not the amount of people a Gaa team can pick from to play a match. Cork have the largest numbers playing Gaa in all the country so therefore they have the biggest pick to choose from but regardless they can only pick 26 players on s match day the same as Dublin Meath or any county.
My point about other sports was at a top level.
All of the major sports are promoted massively in Dublin which doesn't happen in a lot of county's.
Meath don't have a league of Ireland team for example
Whereas there are 5 of them in dublin

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/07/2014 09:21:58    1623634

In 20 or 30 years time this period of gaa will be looked back on and laughed at. The fact that Dublin were allowed to compete in a competition one thirtieth of its size. Dublin will be spilt, cork possibly too. Other counties will amalgamate. & their will be a serious championship where any team can give any team a right game. Not the current outdated joke of a format.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 22/07/2014 09:23:44    1623635

A lot of over reaction going on here. Support your county thru the good times and bad - start with your game against Armagh.
Dublin had some bad times (when counties loved coming to croker to play Dublin, and there was no talk of splitting Dublin by postcode), now we have a golden era of great players playing great football. It wont last forever thou.
Things will get better for Meath, the Dubs & non-nationals kids that settled in meath will be coming thru in a few years.
The loss yesterday im sure will be a wake up call re:coaching and development. Relax, take a deep breath and cheer on Meath against Armagh.

On a side note, ppl are talking about Dublins massive pool of players - i can count 6/7 players off the top of my head whose Dad also played for Dublin. Mostly the same pool as there's always been if ya ask me.

HenryHill16 (Dublin) - Posts: 249 - 22/07/2014 09:36:42    1623642

To Poppinpoints
Did you not see the All Ireland last year there was a huge amount of Mayo supporters on the Hill

jd1963 (Dublin) - Posts: 16 - 22/07/2014 09:43:44    1623648

22/07/2014 09:23:44
realman2
County: Kildare
Posts: 107

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In 20 or 30 years time this period of gaa will be looked back on and laughed at. The fact that Dublin were allowed to compete in a competition one thirtieth of its size. Dublin will be spilt, cork possibly too. Other counties will amalgamate. & their will be a serious championship where any team can give any team a right game. Not the current outdated joke of a format.

And maybe just maybe Kildare will progress into a true 'Top 4' team, after all the handicaps have been applied to Dublin.

bluedubstar (Dublin) - Posts: 835 - 22/07/2014 09:46:15    1623652

Meath are in a competition that doesn't involve Dublin - it's called Division 2 of the NFL. Meath can't win that either. Maybe Mr Goff should suggest a boycott of that too until the GAA reorganise the leagues so that Meath can finally win something?

The standard in Leinster is at an all time low. The 2nd best team in Leinster will be playing the 5th best team in Ulster in a couple of weeks and the Ulster team are favourites. That tells you all you need to know about Leinster and Meath.

Mr Goof wants to weaken an already laughable competition even further by removing the best team in it. Brilliant!! Rather than doing the hard work required to bring Meath football up to standard, let's take the easy route and remove the obstacle to a bit of silverware. Besides making things easier for Meath, it would also make things a lot more difficult for a county like Tipp who are doing the things that Meath should be doing.

Provincial titles are almost invariably won by the elite - the counties playing or promoted to Div 1 of the NFL. That's as it should be if they are to mean anything at all. Meath aren't one of those and that's not Dublin's fault. For all the advantages Mr Goff accuses Dublin of having, Meath have those same advantages over nearly every other county in Ireland. Three times the population of Monaghan, for example, yet they can win the most competitive province of all while Meath are taking 16 point hammerings.

Dublin aren't nearly as convincing outside of Leinster scrambling to a couple of All-Ireland's either side of a beating by Mayo. It's up to Meath to get themselves into Div 1, get competitive and then maybe they might win a Leinster.

As for Kildare......

Timesplit (Dublin) - Posts: 2 - 22/07/2014 10:21:49    1623681

I love this thread aswell.

"Dublin can't beat a team outside of Leinster, They wont win an all ireland for years they said"

Then we won an All-Ireland and win a few All-Irelands at underage and its "time to split Dublin in two"..

Now, The cherry on top of the cake, "Dublin are too good, Time to take them out of Leinster"

Hahahahaha you couldn't make this up. You honestly couldn't.

Why now this is what i dont get ? Why is NOW the time to talk about taking Dublin out of Leinster ?

Why not last year when we beat Meath in the final by 7 points ?

Manchester United have won loadsa premier leagues at a canter under Fergie, I know, Lets take United out of the premier league :D great idea.

I've said it already and i will say it again, Dublin should not be punished for being dominant. It is THEIR crown, They should have a right to defend it. If teams arent good enough like Meath, tough, work on your house, get it in order and come back again.

You don't hear this sort of guff from Kildare fans after we battered them last summer.

So jack, What is your excuse ? If Mayo (with a smaller population than Meath) can not only win provinicial titles, But get to All Ireland finals, putting it up to Dublin, Then what right/excuse have Meath got for not putting it up to us in Leinster ? Serious question.

And one more question, If you where to take Dublin out of Leinster, Surely any Leinster title won by Kildare/Meath etc would be a tainted one? Sure why would you celebrate a Leinster title, After you have ostracized the best team in the province ?

You ask any sane Meath/Kildare fan, They wouldnt want to win a Leinster title with Dublin not in it, It still wouldnt mean as much.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 22/07/2014 10:25:25    1623684

Did you not see the All Ireland last year there was a huge amount of Mayo supporters on the Hill

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Jd63

He is right though, It is an advantage to Dublin.

Funny how it wasnt such a big advantage when we where brutal though!!

Yet again, Another stick for the culchies to smash Dublin with.

Our population is too big
Hill 16 is an advantage
Split Dublin in half
Referees want Dublin to win
bla bla bla....

Very boring.

This Dublin team have just set a benchmark thanks to their own county board getting their act together and putting the work in over the last few years, We are reaping the rewards now.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 22/07/2014 10:28:45    1623691

RichieQ

"And honestly do you think Mayo are proud to be dominating Connacht and putting it up to the Dubs in a final or beating them in a semi final??? Mayo want All Ireland's not Nestor Cups or moral victories, nobody wants to just put it up to the Dubs they want to beat them, Mayo are no better off than there were 10 years ago because Sam hasn't been won"

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That's clearly not the point i was making.

The point i was making is that Mayo have a lower population than Meath, Which Jack Goff says is part of the reason Dublin are so good and its so unfair on Meath, But if Mayo with a lower population than Meath can get to Croke Park and beat us in All Ireland semi finals and compete with us in finals, Then surely Meath have no excuse in Leinster for at least competing.

The reason Meath lost so heavily last weekend against Dublin (Your biggest defeat to us in 19 years), Was because the manager was tactically naive. I apologise for the remark with regards to lack of guts and heart. But Meath are not as bad as what we saw on Sunday and although we where very good, Meath played into our hands on the day and we have proven against many sides under Jim Gavin's tenure so far, If you want to go with us man for man, We will beat you and with the greatest of respect to a very poor Meath side in comparison to those of yesteryear, If you are going to risk playing against a vastly superior side to yourselves especially when you know their attacking ability in a man for man game, You will get bet around the place from the first minute, And that's what we saw on Sunday.

If Meath want to progress, For me that HAVE to adopt a more defensive game-plan. With respect to Donegal they dont have 5 or 6 forwards in the class of the Dublin's and Kerrys of this world, So when McGuinness came in he changed tact. Same with Gilroy and Dublin in 2009 when he came in, He decided to keep Dublins attacking game plan and teams with good forwards like Kerry that year, Mangled us up. We changed to a more defensive style and put our pride and tradition to one side, And within two years we won an All Ireland. Meath have to swallow their pride and this tradition boll*x and do the same. Okay it may not be entertaining on the eye, But its effective. And only the likes of Dublin, Kerry and MAYBE Mayo can adopt such an attacking style in modern day football and come close to winning All Irelands.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 22/07/2014 10:45:57    1623714

cant believe this thread is actually going lol

Dublin put time effort training and support into creating the dublin football team that is so dominant

I mean do people really think these players just shower up one day.

To all of dublins detractors how many of you are out on sunday morning with the under eights at your local club. When you see a dominant team in either hurling and football you need to go right back to the grass roots of underage and see the systems that are put into nurture those kids. Keep them involved in the gaa all the way up and produce the team that we see today

This isnt gim gavins team he is just the front man

this team belongs to the father of three that gives up his time to train the underage teams in what ever club. The mom with the seven seater that carries them around to the matches

We see the awesome power of the dubs but we forgot what goes into making those players. 12 years and more of coaching encouraging training etc

So instead of everyone wanting to pull dublin here there and everywhere look at our self my county included and see what we can do. Can we help out more at our clubs can we contribute more to our children. Can we instill the beliefs in the gaa over rugby soccer etc.

Well done dublin and credit to all the fathers and mothers that have led to their success

Football of all sports is fickle
Dublin have won no all ireland in july but do look promising for september

But instead of finding a way to make dublin weaker should we not be looking for a way to make our counties stronger
Cork have won our first Munster hurling in 8 years and jimmy did it but looking everywhere for players if cork can do that from grass roots up then we can be competitive

So leave dublin alone they dominate leinster not through any fault of their onw but through the failings of others counties
And to prove my point i would like to use tipperary as an example
They set in place some years back a football programme that was bought into
The should have beaten cork and they are still powering along in the qualifiers . Their efforts are starting to see rewards

Rebels abu !!!

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 22/07/2014 11:24:30    1623760

realman2
There will be no splitting of counties nor any amalgamating.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 22/07/2014 11:28:16    1623765

Ritchie.

Top post that.. Nailed it.

On a sidenote - Are you okay ? A rebel giving us Dubs an easy ride on here ? :)

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 22/07/2014 11:32:18    1623774

Adamski
That is without a shadow of a doubt one of the most ridiculous messages I have seen in a long time. You cannot justify what you are saying. So what penalize a team for being the best in their province. Should this have been applied to Kilkenny hurlers or the Kerry footballers over the years.

Well in fairness to the guy, that is exactly what they did with the galway hurlers... You might have a different angle on it if Dublin get caught cold in the quarter final...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/07/2014 11:34:57    1623776

Exactly lilywhite1

100% agree.

To be fair this thread was started by one Meath man.

I don't think he represents the majority of Meath fans on here and frankly i think he is an embarrassment for the genuine Meath guys on here, of which there are many.

Shame really.

Still i wont lie, I do love this thread. Shows how far Meath have fallen/The Dubs have risen in the past few years in the mind of one Meath man.

After all the stick we took on here for many many years after cruel heart-breaking defeats, After all the people tripping over themselves to kick us Dubs when we where down, I will sit back and rejoice and smile at some of the ridiculous, and the lovely comments on here from country folk :)

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 22/07/2014 11:36:22    1623780

If amalgamated counties have yet to come to hurling, it's unlikely anytime soon in football. It's not an idea to be shunned though. If a number of counties were to drop down a tier, their better players should be entitled to an outlet in the top tier in the form of an amalgamation team.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 22/07/2014 11:44:59    1623793

Dublin are going to dominate All-irelands like they dominate Leinster. Then we will see a change in outlook. Give it a few years. Most posters here have their head in the past and are blind to the future.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 22/07/2014 11:59:15    1623811

Exactly lilywhite1

100% agree.

To be fair this thread was started by one Meath man.

I don't think he represents the majority of Meath fans on here and frankly i think he is an embarrassment for the genuine Meath guys on here, of which there are many.

Shame really.

Still i wont lie, I do love this thread. Shows how far Meath have fallen/The Dubs have risen in the past few years in the mind of one Meath man.

After all the stick we took on here for many many years after cruel heart-breaking defeats, After all the people tripping over themselves to kick us Dubs when we where down, I will sit back and rejoice and smile at some of the ridiculous, and the lovely comments on here from country folk :)

Yeah that's fair enough Wayno but there are plenty on here kicking the Meath dog when it's down, and indeed were kicking it before the Leinster Final. Unfortunately when you try and make valid points around here at times your accused of sour grapes and an inability to get your own house in order. I know the failings of past Meath County Boards and have commented on them aplenty but we now have a committed County Board who are struggling to compete with the financial firepower of our supposed greatest rivals, Sweet Jesus I see Kevin McMenamin at a launch of a sponsorship deal with Linwoods as official health food supplier to Dublin GAA!!!!! Where is this going to end, if this carries on then no matter how we or any county get their house in order we still won't have a hope of competing with the Dubs with any degree of regularity. Now I don't agree with Jack regarding pulling Dublin out of Leinster but unless some serious looking is done at how money comes and goes in counties them we are going to have a serious imbalance going forward, we know we have fallen behind Dublin and we know we have our own issues to sort in that regard but their are also many external issues now at work, issues that are making it near impossible for Meath or any county to prepare their team any way similarly to Dublin...........official health food supplier for God sake!!!!

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 22/07/2014 12:07:20    1623820

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 11569

Well in fairness to the guy, that is exactly what they did with the galway hurlers... You might have a different angle on it if Dublin get caught cold in the quarter final...

Exactly? hhmmmm

How's the Connacht Hurling Championship going these days?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 22/07/2014 12:14:08    1623824

All these ranting hystrionics are gonna look very funny when this Dublin team comes to the end of it's natural cycle and Dublin enter a period of transition in a few years time!

Hey, who knows maybe this Dublin team has already peaked and won't win another All-Ireland title? It's very possible.

None of you can predict the future, even if most of your ravings are based on trying to predict the future.

If Donegal win this year's All-Ireland, a distinct possibilty, they'll have a record coming outta Ulster similar to Dublin coming outta Leinster in the last couple of years too.

People love an over reaction but this thread is cetainly the most pathetic thread/rantings yet.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 22/07/2014 12:25:46    1623848