No , playing a different system is not 'fact' , serious arrogance here indeed. It's a different system and if you watch other sports, you will realise that different tactics are used by different sides ..You seem profoundly arrogant and patronizing TBH. Amusing posts from you - how is it a fact

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 06/07/2014 17:10:44    1614653

I suppose what is dire and negative is a matter of opinion alright TheRightStuff. However the incidents in the minor game I mention are a fact, and in 99% of football viewers opinion I think they would describe them tactics as dire and negative. There is no arrogance at all, I am just trying to get some posters to recognise that all counties and provincial championships have their own pride and should be respected. Rather than have lads on here talking about soft, undeserved All-Irelands won only because of the structure of the championship. Of the last 10 All-Ireland finalists, 2 have come from Connacht, 2 from Leinster and 2 from Ulster, with the other 4 from Munster. It seems to me the difference is not as great as some try to make out.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 06/07/2014 17:28:28    1614664

Why is it that some ulster posters cant accept losing without coming out with daft excuses. How for instance would Derry have not been motivated playing a Longford a team that had beaten them twice in the last few years and also been on the easier side of the draw, for a number of years now any time Derry came up against a half decent team in the championship its been bye bye Derry. Antrim have lost 5 matches in division 4, Lost by 13 points to Donegal and 5 points to Limerick that's more problems then been unlucky. Its a bit funny seeing a Donegal poster complaining about other teams routes to finals when the had the easiest semi final then any team in Ireland.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 06/07/2014 17:40:08    1614672

Yes Ros , we had an easy semi - final this year. That's because Fermanagh and Antrim played in first round. Tyrone had to play Down , winners played Monaghan . Winners of that played Cavan or Armagh and then a final V Donegal . Are you telling me that this isn't complex ??? Ros , I'm talking about the structure of the football championship , not 2014 on its own ! I think we are entitled to an easier route for once .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 06/07/2014 17:54:38    1614680

Last year Monaghan played Antrim and then Cavan at home to get to a final not to bad of a route. You can have hard draws in every province and easier draws in every province some ulster posters such as yourself to not seem to want to accept this.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 06/07/2014 18:21:13    1614696

treatystoner, we in Antrim arent the ones who are delusional. It was Limerick posters who came on talking of an easy victory when any account I have read suggests otherwise and a match which could have went either way. Suddenly posters are getting carried away as to what this means for Limerick and Munster. As for those who are saying Donegal posters were only predicting a few points win over Antrim before the semi. If those posters were honest they would have predicted a ten point win but as it was a no win situation for them in that they were expected to win I understand why they were cautious. Fact is we are in the bottom 5 counties of all those in the AI and we know it whereas there's nothing between us and Limerick yet Limerick people can't fathom this. Sin é.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 06/07/2014 18:28:42    1614701

treatystoner, we in Antrim arent the ones who are delusional. It was Limerick posters who came on talking of an easy victory when any account I have read suggests otherwise and a match which could have went either way. Suddenly posters are getting carried away as to what this means for Limerick and Munster. As for those who are saying Donegal posters were only predicting a few points win over Antrim before the semi. If those posters were honest they would have predicted a ten point win but as it was a no win situation for them in that they were expected to win I understand why they were cautious. Fact is we are in the bottom 5 counties of all those in the AI and we know it whereas there's nothing between us and Limerick yet Limerick people can't fathom this. Sin é.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 06/07/2014 18:28:42    1614702

Ok Ros , Ulster is on a par with Connaught. Very insightful research sir !

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 06/07/2014 18:36:19    1614708

I hope we get given a bye to the semi next year,

I hope Ulster is turned into a home-and-away league so each county has to play 16 games before anyone emerges,

I hope this thread never, ever ends.

Soma cleaning house here, forcing goalposts movement like billy-o

an tseabhac (Kerry) - Posts: 441 - 06/07/2014 18:46:03    1614716

The fact of the matter is nobody will want to play Tipp now after their awesome performance yesterday. I think people from ulster have to realise that the ulster championship isn't what it used to be and results for ulster teams outside the province are reflecting this.

tipptothetop (Tipperary) - Posts: 531 - 06/07/2014 18:48:53    1614720

What are northern counties doing in terms of bringing motions of change to congress? It's easy to keep cribbing about. With the Ulster championship being so tough, there shouldn't be losses to non-Ulster opposition. What are the Munster finalists, Mayo and the Dublin Region doing in division 1? Why is the Ulster final a repeat of the division 2 final? I've a lot of respect for the Ulster championship but some of the comments are simply gas.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7925 - 06/07/2014 18:54:50    1614725

getting back to the subject of this thread...the uneveneness of the two pots was a disaster waiting to happen...there was no draw for the two pots...first rd provincial fixtures were designated as Pot A or Pot B fixtures...this leaves the CCCC open to the charge of fixing the fixture list for the qualifiers...the draws that take place for the qualifiers at each round are flawed because certain counties were chosen to be in different pots...i wish posters would concentrate on this issue rather than trying to score points over whether munster or ulster teams win easy all-irelands

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 06/07/2014 19:23:49    1614751

Has anybody actually gone onto the wall chart of the gaa website and realised how the draw was actually made? Its pure and simply luck of the draw. If tyrone were drawn to play fermanagh for arguments sake in the ulster 1/4 then they would be on side A instead of side B.

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 353 - 06/07/2014 19:33:30    1614761

mayotyroneman it was decided before the draw which half of the ulster championship would be categorised as A, and which half would be B, just like in every other province. Then the draw was made and it has turned out how it has turned out. So sadly there is no conspiracy to speak about at all, and the matter you are trying to raise is killed stone dead. Therefore I propose that we go back to talking about Kerry and their ability to continually produce class forwards. Speaking about lads like O'Donoghue is much more enjoyable than championship formats and the CCC.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 06/07/2014 20:08:10    1614788

legendzxix
County: Kerry
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1614725
What are northern counties doing in terms of bringing motions of change to congress? It's easy to keep cribbing about. With the Ulster championship being so tough, there shouldn't be losses to non-Ulster opposition. What are the Munster finalists, Mayo and the Dublin Region doing in division 1? Why is the Ulster final a repeat of the division 2 final? I've a lot of respect for the Ulster championship but some of the comments are simply gas

The National League Division 1 will be made up of 4 x Ulster teams next season, that's 50% of the teams including the Ulster finalists. That's respectable enough representation I would have thought!!

What is your "Dublin region" comments all about?

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 06/07/2014 20:30:31    1614803

Therightstuff where did i say Connaught was on par with ulster, ulster is more competitive then other provinces but not near as much so as some ulster posters think. I would have happily swapped Roscommon's Connaught championship this year with Donegal's draw and last year with Monaghan draw. You can get hard and easy draws in any province. Indeed there could be more or as many Connaught teams as ulster teams left in the championship after next weekend.. Gary i would have thought someone from Derry above any other county would know the difference between league and championship.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 06/07/2014 20:51:08    1614815

sorry Soma...you have it all wrong...only after the provincial draws were made was the different ties designated as Piot a or pot b...therefore the CCCC have left themselves open to allegations of fixing the draw...they should have decided before the provincial draws were made which ties were going to be A and which were going to be B

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 06/07/2014 20:56:49    1614819

Don't see the point in this argument really. The best teams will come through in any event. If you're not good enough to get to the quarter finals then you're better off to be beaten in earlier qualifier rounds than having season extended due to wins over poor oppossition. If teams come through the so called harder side of the draw they'll be better prepared for playing provincial loosers. Best teams will get to quarter finals and this is where we'll find out who real all ireland contenders are.

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 06/07/2014 21:02:46    1614824

I don't think they were mayotyroneman. The first 2 teams out in Ulster were Tyrone/Down in the qualifier. The next 2 were Donegal/Derry, who went into pot A, the next 2 Monaghan/Tyrone/Down, who went into pot B. This was repeated across the 4 provinces, teams first out in A, next out in B. It couldn't be simpler really.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 06/07/2014 21:14:25    1614834

mayotyroneman
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1614819 sorry Soma...you have it all wrong...only after the provincial draws were made was the different ties designated as Piot a or pot b...therefore the CCCC have left themselves open to allegations of fixing the draw...they should have decided before the provincial draws were made which ties were going to be A and which were going to be B

Fixtures dont decide which pot you are in. Counties were designated to either pot A or pot B before championship started. Tyrone were in pot B if they lost in Ulster no mattered who they played. Ulster final losers are also pot B.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 06/07/2014 21:39:08    1614848