actually there was no "draw" involved in the setting up of the two groups as some posters on here appear to think. The two groupings were decided by the CCCC...certain games in provincial championships were dedicated as either A or B..there was no logic to this at all...just a random fixing of the pots...this leaves the CCCC open to accusations of fixing the draw and hence we have a lopsided draw

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 01/07/2014 17:52:06    1612242

dont see why people complain here..

If you are in the qualifiers it means youve lost a game in your provincial championship , You still get another chance regardless of wether its a difficult opponent you face, Where is the second chance for the provincial winners who won all their games, Especially in Ulster - The most competitive provence

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 01/07/2014 18:01:53    1612251

It is a complete farce IMO. Ulster sides get shafted every year while Mayo/Cork/Kerry stroll on last 4/8 without any hassle. They can peak for August while these Ulster sides pick up injuries etc. Its a joke .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 01/07/2014 18:04:00    1612254

wayno...you are completely missing the point..the thing is this draw was set up by the CCCC..therefore by implication they leave themselves wide open to accusations of fixing the draw

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 01/07/2014 18:10:44    1612264

Doesnt matter

Count yourself lucky you can lose a game and get a second chance wether its fixed or not, Provincial winners dont get that luxury.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 01/07/2014 18:34:31    1612285

mayotyroneman that is not true at all - it was determined before the provincial draws were made which side was A and which was B. I suspect though this will matter little to those who want to find a conspiracy in everything.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 01/07/2014 20:19:02    1612358

Once any competition is split with any kind of grouping, there's the potential for a less trickier side. If this is how people react to two groups how will they respond to 8?!!
Congress is there lads for motions of change. Next year it'll be the Ulster and Munster finalists on the same side of the draw. If ye lads up north are so worried by the Dublin Region, make ye're provincial final and they won't cross ye're path ahead of the AI final over the next two years after this championship.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7926 - 01/07/2014 21:55:41    1612409

Luck of the draw. Good reason to stay out of the back door, it is not an easy place to get a run going despite what people may think about it.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 02/07/2014 11:32:03    1612525

1 match ban for 3 black cards.

Seems fair enough, until you look at the setup of the championship. In the unlikely event that they make it to the All Ireland Final Tyrone and Monaghan would have to play 8 or 9 tough games to get there whilst Kerry and Cork would have to play 4 games.

There is a heck of a sight better chance picking up 3 black cards if you have to play 8 tough matches instead of 4.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 04/07/2014 13:09:01    1613683

And so after today. Zero Ulster teams on one side of the draw. 6 Ulster Teams on the other side of the draw. Super setup.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 05/07/2014 21:05:30    1614262

It's that way because the Ulster counties on side A of he draw LOST. Maybe Ulster isn't all it's cracked up to be

pj_mcmanus (Limerick) - Posts: 431 - 05/07/2014 21:10:04    1614267

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It's that way because the Ulster counties on side A of he draw LOST. Maybe Ulster isn't all it's cracked up to be

More to do with the way the Ulster draw was this year. Derry were deflated after their Ulster exit and all the other good teams were on the other side of the draw.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 05/07/2014 21:14:19    1614271

Luckily Tyrone have got the handy side of the draw in B alright Tyroneed, ye get to play an Ulster side next and maybe another one again after that. Results so far suggest that if ye were in the A side of the draw the summer would be over for ye already, Ulster sides have all been sent packing in the A side. One of the favourites for Ulster this year, Derry, were beaten by Longford who themselves were hammered by Tipp today. With Limerick easily beating Antrim as well, it just shows you how difficult it is to come out of Munster. Imagine how many All-Irelands Kerry would have if they could have handy provincial campaigns like Donegal have had this year.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 05/07/2014 21:34:50    1614292

If Derry's defeat to Longford was down to deflation after Ulster championship exit, then side B of the draw will probably be a doddle to come through, there'll be lots of other deflated Ulster teams in it as well. There's always an excuse it seems

pj_mcmanus (Limerick) - Posts: 431 - 05/07/2014 21:58:26    1614304

The splitting of the Back-door teams into a Group A and Group B is a complete farce! The GAA just have to keep changing the system to try and promote and develop in their EYES! You have a system now that has several of the stronger teams on one side, and this does not lead to more opportunity for teams as was the aim of the backdoor! The problem lies in the Provincial system bar Ulster. The other provinces are now in a situation where one team is stronger, and improving, and others are falling shorter each year. How can Munster teams fairly compete in the seeding of Kerry/Cork? The 4teams took a stance, and still the association or Munster Council did not support them. The fact that Kerry or Cork will be in a 1/4 final through this system is a failed system. Hey the big counties will always be supported, and this is the situation as it is coming more down to finances. The Munster Council want a big pay day with a Kerry/Cork Final. Simple as. Its the exact same that Dublin's home pitch is Croke Park. Imagine a team anywhere else playing in the National Stadium all the time. In league and Championship????

captaincavan (Cavan) - Posts: 16 - 06/07/2014 09:18:52    1614319

The Leinster and Ulster counties aren't exactly coming up with an alternative. 3 Ulster counties have gone out to non-Ulster opposition so far.

Tipperary and Limerick are lurking like sharks. Tipp especially following on from their U21s and minor are due a win of note.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7926 - 06/07/2014 09:54:12    1614330

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It's that way because the Ulster counties on side A of he draw LOST. Maybe Ulster isn't all it's cracked up to be

Why dont we go back to the original idea of the Qualifiers, an Open draw. 16 teams put in the drum and drawn out as would happen in any other sport in any other country.Who came up with this daft, unequal proposal? Croke Park Mandarins? A few things come to mind, G.Brooks etc etc

BreffniDub (None) - Posts: 377 - 06/07/2014 10:08:18    1614349

It doesn't matter anyway, the Dubs will win Sam this year, the other so call 'Strong counties such as Kerry Cork Tyrone etc have a massive job to get back on par with the Dubs.

kerryrowz (Kerry) - Posts: 833 - 06/07/2014 10:34:27    1614363

The fundamental point is that Kerry and Cork can cruise to a Q final. Just because Longford beat Derry and subsequently lost to Tipp results in folk justifying the inequality of the championship. Do Kerry folk really think they would have got to all those finals in the 00s if they had to meet Armagh , Tyrone , Donegal , Derry etc in early rounds ??? Eight groups of four seems to be the fairest .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 06/07/2014 11:19:07    1614386

TheRightStuff it is amusing to see a Donegal man complain about Kerry and Corks handy run to a provincial final - most of your fellow county men agree that Donegal have played for about 25 minutes so far this year and ye are in a provincial final. Looking at how the opposition ye faced haved fared since, I think it is fair to say that it is probably one of the easiest runs a team has ever had to a provincial final, and to be fair Monaghan and Armagh don't seem any great shakes either. Regarding Kerry and their All-Irelands, in 2009 they entered the qualifiers in Round 2 after being beat in Munster, yet they still went on and won the All-Ireland. The reason Kerry win All-Irelands is actually because they are very, very good, often the best side in the country actually.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 06/07/2014 11:32:29    1614396