I blame Dublin.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 30/06/2014 14:06:09    1611565

lukewalsh96
County: Cork
Posts: 236

1611503 The matches may yet be played on the 13th which I think will happen with Kildare Down. Us GAA folk don't want anything to do with that Orange Vermin so the CCCC will schedule around it.
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Come on now luke, we've all had issues with Armagh GAA but thats a bit strong don't you think!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 30/06/2014 14:24:10    1611580

There is nothing like an influx of GAA supporters on the 12th to cause a stir....

Could be great craic up there...

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3743 - 30/06/2014 14:54:50    1611605

sob
County: Meath
Posts: 332

1611193 Luck of the draw!!!

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Thats exactly it.

Really is just the luck of the draw.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 30/06/2014 15:33:29    1611636

Was the draw made on radio again? That'd be hilarious. Good stuff.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 30/06/2014 15:35:44    1611638

The draw is off course lopsided 6 of the teams on the b side are capable of beating any of the teams on the a side and from a Roscommon point of view you far sooner be on the far side but that's the lick of the draw. There is no plot against ulster teams 3 ulster teams would have been in the a side draw only for Derry and Fermanagh losing, Antrim are still on the Aside. There have been 8 draws involving ulster teams only 1 has resulted in an all ulster tie. Cavan, Down and possibly Tyrone will have 2 home draws in a row.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 30/06/2014 15:48:04    1611650

Its an absolute joke. No matter what team emerges from Omagh or Clones on 12 July, (will likely be Tyrone with the two week rest) will likely have to play Down/Kildare or Cavan then the losers of the Ulster final followed by the winners of the Ulster Final in a quarter final. No team will be able for that passage or the sequence of games. Meanwhile the losers of Kerry and Cork will have a nice handy joust with one of the Div 4 teams from the other side of the qualifiers to get to a quarter final. Respective teams training away to peak for August.

On a positive note losing the Ulster final this year isn't the disaster it used to be with the 6 day turnaround being got rid of. There is a lot riding on next Sunday now as its effectively now a championship eliminator and a do or die battle for the summer bit like the old days.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1808 - 30/06/2014 16:05:46    1611664

Seanie.
Then the losers of the Ulster final followed by the winners of the Ulster Final in a quarter final.

Seanie, are you sure that is correct - do you have a link.??

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3743 - 30/06/2014 16:36:46    1611682

If the provincial losers win their back door game, is there a 50/50 chance that the quarter final will be a repeat of the provincial final? or will the provincial finalists be kept apart? if so then the loser of the Ulster final is guaranteed to have to play the Dubs in the quarter final assuming they beat Meath.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 30/06/2014 17:06:24    1611700

ROS1
County: Roscommon
Posts: 63

1611650
The draw is off course lopsided 6 of the teams on the b side are capable of beating any of the teams on the a side and from a Roscommon point of view you far sooner be on the far side but that's the lick of the draw. There is no plot against ulster teams 3 ulster teams would have been in the a side draw only for Derry and Fermanagh losing, Antrim are still on the Aside. There have been 8 draws involving ulster teams only 1 has resulted in an all ulster tie. Cavan, Down and possibly Tyrone will have 2 home draws in a row.


Team's from the same province should be kept apart for the first 2 rounds of the Qualfiers where possible. Otherwise we see a clutter of teams from Ulster and Leinster who end up replaying their respective Provincial Championships over again. We could also see Munster and Connaught side also facing teams from their own province, and I think the first two rounds should be able to allow seperation, and in the process give an All Ireland Championship feel to it.

The likes of Cork and Kerry get to skip this bear pit, and go straight to the Last 12.

While we see the following happening.
1. Down exit Ulster to Tyrone
2. Tyrone exit Ulster to Monaghan,
3. Tyrone now play Monaghan/Armagh in Qualifier, and winner could likely play Down in Rd 3!!


Out of Tyrone, Down, Armagh/Monaghan, two of these heavy hitters will exit the entire championship before Kerry or Cork enter the qualifiers.

It's not a fair and balanced system.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 30/06/2014 17:32:13    1611717

I don't think its very unfair that Kildare get 2 weeks of a break before their next game whereas Wexford have to play again next Sunday

JR_Iarmhi (Westmeath) - Posts: 40 - 30/06/2014 18:10:10    1611739

JP91
County: Armagh
Posts: 130

1611700 If the provincial losers win their back door game, is there a 50/50 chance that the quarter final will be a repeat of the provincial final? or will the provincial finalists be kept apart? if so then the loser of the Ulster final is guaranteed to have to play the Dubs in the quarter final assuming they beat Meath.

Provincial finalists cant play again in quarters, so your right their is a strong chance winners of Dublin/Meath will play loser of Ulster final. Semi is then Leinster v Ulster. So us DUBS or Meath could have Monaghan/Tyrone/Donegal in quarters and then Monaghan /Donegal in semi if we come through .
Im hoping its a repeat of 2011 with same outcome .tyrone quarter ,Donegal semi and Kerry final ;)

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 30/06/2014 18:12:55    1611740

I don't think its very fair that Kildare get 2 weeks of a break before their next game whereas Wexford have to play again next Sunday

JR_Iarmhi (Westmeath) - Posts: 40 - 30/06/2014 18:15:33    1611743

Apologies JP Armagh also . They've as good a chance as any.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 30/06/2014 18:15:49    1611744

Good to see people have now copped on to the sheer lunacy of this system and are complaining..well Leinster and Ulster people are whilst Kerry, Cork and Mayo fans sit back laughing knowing even losing a provincial final will do litte to stop them making a quarter final.

We may as well lock in the one side of the quarter finals already and skip the pointless Connacht and Munster finals and just have Mayo v Cork and Kerry v Galway. Or better yet make the Munster final the All Ireland semi final and be done with it.

On the other side its a pure bearpit which going to form should see

Dublin will get there
Monaghan should get there
Donegal might get there
Meath/Tyrone likeliest to duke it out for the other spot if the draw falls right but in truth Cavan, Armagh, Down and Roscomommon would probably have made round four if they were on the other side of the draw-unlucky

So Dublin will either have Donegal in the quarters and Monaghan in the semis or the other way around.
The Ulster final will be a pure war as the loser will have to take on one of Tyrone/Meath/Cavan, Armagh, Down or Roscomommon and then a week later face DUBLIN if they win....nice fair system alright

shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 214 - 30/06/2014 20:10:17    1611810

The simplest solution for this Roscommon and kildare win then no provincial clash in the next round which would keep the Ulster posters happy. Some of whom seem to have forget that down and Cavan have games to win this round and that half the teams in b are not Ulster teams

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 30/06/2014 20:13:09    1611813

ShaggyKev, Some fair points, but look at Derry they were in the perceived easy side and Longford knocked them out. One or two results could change everything. Although I do think its strange that they devised a system with the chance of so many repeat pairings.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 30/06/2014 20:19:18    1611816

treatystoner you are basing your analysis on what exactly?. if on the last 6 or 7 days fair enough but you could say that about 27 other counties. reality is that most of very young squad are only now becoming aquainted with senior inter county. yes last season against our closet rivals was humiliating and nearly worse given we are the 3rd most successful county in football. however irrespective of how do this season our curve is upeards between underage success and this season thus far. very lazy post by you even if it is only an opinion.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1950 - 30/06/2014 20:24:25    1611821

AthCliath
County: Dublin
Posts: 3215

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ShaggyKev, Some fair points, but look at Derry they were in the perceived easy side and Longford knocked them out. One or two results could change everything. Although I do think its strange that they devised a system with the chance of so many repeat pairings.

I think Round 1 is a banana skin in many ways for bigger teams, as normally it is much harder to get motivated for this tie than lower division teams.
Derry had real ambitions of winning Ulster this year, and losing at home to Donegal was a huge blow. No disrespect Intended to Longford, but It was probably easier for them to get motivated for this game against the Division 1 runners up than vice versa.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 01/07/2014 13:58:30    1612124

ROS1
County: Roscommon
Posts: 64

1611813
The simplest solution for this Roscommon and kildare win then no provincial clash in the next round which would keep the Ulster posters happy.

Not this poster!! ;)

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5028 - 01/07/2014 14:36:27    1612141