Double header in Thurles I'd say for Tipp v Longford and Tipp v Galway.

Luck of the draw has something is only part of the procedure. Its the governance behind it which throws the whole thing in to a calamity.

Cant believe that draw when you see Clare v Carlow & Limeirck v Antrim on one side and Down v Kildare & Tyrone v Armagh / Monaghan on the other.

The sooner an open draw comes in the better for everyone. None of this seeding crap.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 30/06/2014 09:54:23    1611230

I agree with the "luck of the draw" if the draw was fair in the first place. The point being that section B is on a collision course with the Losers of the Ulster and then the winners of Ulster (or Leinster)

http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/national-fixtures/gaa-football-all-ireland-senior-championship/

IE Tyrone may well have to face Monaghan, Armagh then Donegal to get to a semi final. If it was an open draw and it worked out like that then "tough s*** paddy" but its not an open draw. Not thought out properly (STUPID)

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1045 - 30/06/2014 10:03:22    1611236

I can see how the Kerry men are happy once again - coming from win one game Munster into the quarters.

We have already had a bruiser vs Tyrone, Armagh now twice then either Donegal or Tyrone again, then good possibility of Down or Tyrone/Armagh (if we lose to Donegal) after that as we're in the 2b section. Then whoever comes out of 2b runs into the Ulster Championship winner so that's Donegal again. So potentially, (and chances v v slim), we could get to an AI Semi Final having played 6/7 ulster teams and 3 of them twice.

Whoever came up with this system should be sacked for not looking into the ramifications of it. It's ridiculous and I don't think anyone could disagree with that.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 30/06/2014 10:04:09    1611238

Id say Roscommon are the most relieved team, avoiding Tyrone who they have been drawn against the past two years and lost.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11249 - 30/06/2014 10:04:13    1611239

This draw is very bad for competition. Surely you want more of the mid level teams moving forward who can put up a fight against the big guns. The Cork/Kerry and Galway/Mayo games against "A" group opposition will be complete mismatches.

On the other hand Dublin will likely have to face two Ulster teams to get to an All Ireland final. Will be nice to see a team put I up to them.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 30/06/2014 10:08:20    1611243

Hope we lose to Monaghan just so we can get a crack at Tyrone and put them out of the Championship yeeeooo! :-)

FairShoulder (Armagh) - Posts: 333 - 30/06/2014 10:15:15    1611253

This has be the basis of a review into the qualifier draw structure.

Ulster teams having to navigate numerous "game of thrones" encounters with regular provincial opponents, makes this thing look utterly lop sided. #mess.

Knoxboyo (Monaghan) - Posts: 170 - 30/06/2014 10:18:10    1611257

Can't argue there yew_tree, I don't think there's many of us in Ros who wanted to see Tyrone coming out again, we've actually had them the last 3 years in a row in the qualifiers, losing all three, albeit we ran them close last year. The draw was always likely to be tough and if we want to progress then we'd have to beat a strong side but personally I've had enough of Tyrone to do me at least a decade.

Cavan will be a tough proposition, especially up in Breffni. I felt they were a bit overhyped after their run to the QF last year and we probably didn't justify ourselves in either the league game against them or in the league final which they kicked away. That said, they have some fine players and Terry Hyland will have them well motivated going into this. The bookies will have them slight favourites but it'll be close and could go wither way if Ros play to their potential.

decky (Roscommon) - Posts: 384 - 30/06/2014 10:19:15    1611259

The switching of provincials was fine when there was no back door. It is now very outdated and ruins the draw.

The four provincial winners should potentially meet any of the 4 teams that come through the back door. The fact that provincial finalists are guaranteed to be on the say same side of the draw for the AI is horrendous structuring of the championship.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 30/06/2014 10:20:59    1611261

Aw man! The more I see of this draw the more frustrating it is! Basically every way you look at it, Ulster teams will have to keep playing each other all the way to the AI semis. While Kerry & Cork, after enjoying a seeded provincial championship play the best of the Div 3/Div 4 teams. Total farce!

RightFull (Monaghan) - Posts: 74 - 30/06/2014 10:25:57    1611272

Group A qualifiers includes three Div. 4 teams + four Div. 3 teams + one Div. 2 team

Group B includes two Div. 1 teams [if Monaghan lose] + four Div.2 Teams + two Div. 3 team [if Armagh loses] + one from Div.4

drumlingael (Monaghan) - Posts: 40 - 30/06/2014 10:26:02    1611273

FairShoulder
County: Armagh

Hope we lose to Monaghan just so we can get a crack at Tyrone and put them out of the Championship yeeeooo! :-)

Think that should be left to us in fairness #handsoff

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1045 - 30/06/2014 10:27:22    1611279

Considering how people complain how lop sided the four championships are it is amazing how the GAA came up with this system. The back door should be open and it should be an open draw from the last eight onwards. If Tyrone was to win Ulster this year they would have had to win four games. If they want to progress to the All-Ireland final via the back door they would face a list of teams that may include Louth, Armagh, Monaghan, Donegal and Dublin. Tyrone's record in the back door is excellent but it is a big ask for the current team. In fact it would have been a big ask for the 2003-08 team.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 30/06/2014 10:30:56    1611283

If I could sum it up in one word, LOADED!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 30/06/2014 10:32:06    1611286

Looks like I will be heading up to Newry for the 12th of July. I have the flegs, anyone know where I can get a lilywhite bowler hat? lol

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 30/06/2014 10:33:28    1611287

JP91 - This draw is very bad for competition. Surely you want more of the mid level teams moving forward who can put up a fight against the big guns. The Cork/Kerry and Galway/Mayo games against "A" group opposition will be complete mismatches.

Exactly. Surely people want to see the most competitive games possible further down the line. The qualifiers have yet again managed to produce farcical fixtures. It needs complete overhaul... Again

HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts: 520 - 30/06/2014 10:38:50    1611298

bryanadams
County: Kildare

Looks like I will be heading up to Newry for the 12th of July. I have the flegs, anyone know where I can get a lilywhite bowler hat? lol

Best of luck mate you will probably meet lots of gaels heading the other way. Make sure you stick to the correct route

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1045 - 30/06/2014 10:48:47    1611310

decky
County: Roscommon
Posts: 204

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Can't argue there yew_tree, I don't think there's many of us in Ros who wanted to see Tyrone coming out again, we've actually had them the last 3 years in a row in the qualifiers, losing all three, albeit we ran them close last year. The draw was always likely to be tough and if we want to progress then we'd have to beat a strong side but personally I've had enough of Tyrone to do me at least a decade.

so you can't agree but then proceed to agree completely... Hmmm.

anyway looking forward to our 3rd meeting this year. it's one-all so far. this is the decider.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 30/06/2014 10:57:35    1611327

sorry. Decky ignore my post.. apologies... grovel grovel

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 30/06/2014 11:05:47    1611334

JP91 i can guarentee you that Galway will be beaten by Mayo and Galway will then be beaten by a team that comes through the A side of the qualifers! They are no great shakes whatsoever. Longford beat Derry, Tipp almost beat Cork and Laois had the Dubs on the ropes for most of the game. Cork and Derry were two of the form teams in the league. A is a lot stronger than people are giving credit!

treatystoner (Limerick) - Posts: 178 - 30/06/2014 11:09:58    1611341