Sorry Wayno lad i didnt actually read most of your post until now.I took it up wrong.Interesting.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 20/05/2014 21:00:09    1591023

Sporting success is all about the amount of medals and/or trophies won by a team or individual.

Emile Heskey.

Eight times more successful than Alan Shearer.

Brilliant.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 20/05/2014 21:17:43    1591040

This thread is embarrassing. To intertwine the likes of an overhyped Dublin team with the work of Shakespeare is silly. The truth is there is nothing special about doing well for yourself on the back of big money and investment deals and playing all your championship matches at home. What about Kerry winning Sam in 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2009? Did you see Kerry fans posting long winding poetry about the greatness of their team? This Dublin team are nowhere near the greatest Dublin team of all time or any other team for that matter. Those mental failings of the late 2000's no doubt will return fairly soon and Dublin will not get the rub of the green in every All Ireland final that they contest.

Jimin10 (Meath) - Posts: 783 - 20/05/2014 21:18:50    1591041

Ah lads!

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7902 - 20/05/2014 21:24:21    1591046

Is it time for the GAA to address the out of date minor championship system currently run within Ulster?

For some reason Monaghan/Cavan and Donegal are exempt from playing minor championship games in June owing to the leaving certs!!! Yet Tyrone find themselves faced with two minor championship games in six days in the month of may which is the height of the GCSE/ A Level exams schedule - what is the difference in a leaving cert exam and an A level exam?

To make matters worse Ulster counties are also disadvantaged because they need to get to the Ulster final in order to get a second chance (AI QF stages). There is a second outing for beaten teams in the other provinces!

It really puts into perspective the success of Tyrone at underage level when this is taken into consideration and regardless of the outcome on Saturday evening in Newry one team with genuine title credentials will be consigned to the side line for the duration of 2014.

lomanaiochtabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 114 - 20/05/2014 21:30:03    1591056

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This thread is embarrassing. To intertwine the likes of an overhyped Dublin team with the work of Shakespeare is silly. The truth is there is nothing special about doing well for yourself on the back of big money and investment deals and playing all your championship matches at home. What about Kerry winning Sam in 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2009? Did you see Kerry fans posting long winding poetry about the greatness of their team? This Dublin team are nowhere near the greatest Dublin team of all time or any other team for that matter. Those mental failings of the late 2000's no doubt will return fairly soon and Dublin will not get the rub of the green in every All Ireland final that they contest.

In fairness I think Wayneo's post has fairly gone over your head.

It was a little long winded and with the ridiculous Shakespeare element to it but it was about how this Dublin isn't as great as teams past. Yet in anyways.

Also obviously Dublin are only winnning All-Ireland's because of a myriad of external reasons that have nothing to do with football. Money, sponsorship, luck, Croke Park being in Dublin, and (my new personal favourite reason) the fact that perceived mental failings deserting us for a few years!

Seriously that last one is brilliant! Haven't heard it before and it is nice when yous get some new material. Hard to keep track of all the explanations of our success!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 20/05/2014 21:32:42    1591058

Hahaha

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 20/05/2014 21:35:18    1591060

Snuff
You don't have to worry about us , we're not taking the championship too serious this year, we're actually building for the league in February , so move along kiddo nothing to see here I'm afraid.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 21/05/2014 08:49:58    1591099

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Snuff
You don't have to worry about us , we're not taking the championship too serious this year, we're actually building for the league in February , so move along kiddo nothing to see here I'm afraid.

You must sing a-down a-down,
An you call him a-down-a.
O, how the wheel becomes it! It is the false
steward, that stole his master's daughter.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 21/05/2014 10:03:08    1591130

I hope I need not to advise you further; but I hope your own grace will keep you where you are, though there were no further danger known but the modesty which is so lost

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 21/05/2014 11:24:47    1591176

Potentially Dublin are as good as the kerry team of the last decade. The kerry team of the 1980s cant be compared to modern footballers as the competition was not the same back then. The quality of teams that you have to get passed now, as well as the levels of fitness etc means that to win an all ireland takes an awful lot more than just being a very good side.

KErry in the 00s were very very good indeed. Tyrone were too, but the great kerry side of the 1980s and before it were great compared to what was going on at the time and nothing else. This current dublin team would have them beaten out the gate in 10 minutes flat. Sorry to say this if there are any nostalgic gaa supporters reading this, but it is the way it is now.

If Dublin win a couple more all irelands in the next 6 years, they will have won at least 4 of 10 all irelands in this decade, which would be something else.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 21/05/2014 11:44:18    1591189

Oh boy, this is fun.

Wayno, you should get the bodhran gang to chant in Shakespeare mode, educate those boys :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 21/05/2014 12:10:36    1591207

Sides from different era,s very dodgy comparing , you can only compete and be successful in your own era , beat the best of whats on offer at that time ,
To ask would kerry of the eighties live with Kerry of the noughties , well do the eighties team have access in this time machine to modern conditioning , modern training and facilities , have the eighties team been given in there time machine a nutritionist , and are now as fit and well prepared if answer YES well now I back Spillane's boys , if no and they face them straight from the time machine with 80s fitness and couple of pints then they'd take a hiding .now which ball would we be using as they can differ from era to era , do we use hawkeye ?
Point being you can compare achievements its a numerical thing , amount of leagues all Irelands etc , but its a complex job comparing era,s , the opposition around has to be taken into account .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 21/05/2014 12:14:02    1591213

*playwright

bob_dolphin (Limerick) - Posts: 694 - 21/05/2014 13:05:05    1591271

Dublin are a great team to watch and over the last three years deserve the two All-Irelands however I do not think they match up to the Dublin team of the 1970's who had the great battles with Kerry. The one thing perhaps missing from Dublin's point of view (not there fault) is there does not appear to be a great rival around which can bring the best out of a great team. Even the early 2000's were enjoyable for the Kerry, Armagh, Tyrone rivalary.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 21/05/2014 13:38:51    1591320

Wayno, the bodhran boys will bate the head off you if they hear you've been reading bukes about bleedin' Shakespeare man :-)

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 21/05/2014 13:47:56    1591333

Alas poor Kerry we beat them well....

This Dublin team will not be on par with that great Kerry team unless five players get eight Sam's each. Simple as that!
To be fair its a lot easier then doing the five in a row apparently!

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 21/05/2014 14:26:48    1591362

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Dublin are a great team to watch and over the last three years deserve the two All-Irelands however I do not think they match up to the Dublin team of the 1970's who had the great battles with Kerry. The one thing perhaps missing from Dublin's point of view (not there fault) is there does not appear to be a great rival around which can bring the best out of a great team. Even the early 2000's were enjoyable for the Kerry, Armagh, Tyrone rivalary.

Disagree. The dublin team of the late 70s won 3 all irelands in a time when things were not as very tough as they are now. As someone said above, without time machines to or from to match training and fitness levels we will never know, but there are so many good teams around now, with a much greater need to have a top level of fitness. Tehre were a lot of hanging bellies back then, there are none today, not even in division 4 teams and this sums up my point. Would jmcnally get his place now? I doubt it. Or many others, no disrespect to them they did their best in a time when it was very different and you could get away with a lot more. No time, no space now. Just pure intensity for 6 games, (7 in some cases), baring replays etc. training for 10 months of the year. This is a no brainer for me.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 21/05/2014 14:49:05    1591377

What teams will we be comparing in another 40 years time when a player could get a magenta card for looking an opponent directly in the eye and a cyan card for uttering a swear word!

This thread is silly!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 21/05/2014 15:26:09    1591417

its like this
there has never been a team played football that this dublin team wouldnt beat. Ever. Fitness, conditioning etc etc all diff now even to 5 years ago. So this current Dubs team could legitimatly lay claim to being the best team to ever play football
BUT
Context is everything and in 5 years from now a team from somewhere will be on top who will have skills and fitness that will leave this team in the shade. Its progression, its how these things work

A better question is is this Dublin the most dominant team ever or is this team the most successful ever
and the answer to both, is no.


Dixie Dean is recognised as the greatest striker to ever play the game of english football, he did things that were incredible and will never be matched. So he is recognised as such. No one on Gods earth would ever claim that say...Demba Ba is a better player than Dixie Dean, but if the current Demba Ba was playing back then, as he is now....he would leave Dixe in the shade

Context, in these questions, is everything

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 21/05/2014 15:52:24    1591436