Re Ormondbanner For a person who gets remarkably prickly should his username be misspelt I find it strange to put it mildly that he feels free to accuse other of being paranoid and delusional etc.
Like most posters on HoganStand I choose not to lower the tone of the debate by name calling.
What I presented in the last post was a factual account of RTE Sports News coverage for the previous week. It is not open to debate that RTE News Sports section covered rugby internationals NZ v England and Wales v South Africa and failed to mention any upcoming GAA matches i.e. Galway v Kilkenny; Laois v Fermanagh; Derry v Longford; Wicklow v Offaly; Kerry v Clare; Antrim v Donegal; Cork v Tipp; Galway v Sligo; Limerick v London (I hope I have not left any out.
These are all intercounty matches, this is the Championship; this is late June not February or March.
In the same period RTE News also featured the panel for the emerging nations match v Uruguay and the U20 internationals (rugby of course.
It is also not open to debate that the previous week RTE News covered the Armagh v Cavan affair on 4 occasions. You have concluded that it fair. Perhaps you might look in the mirror before using terms such as paranoid delusional and taking off the rugby coloured glasses might also help. It is a minority sport getting more coverage on RTE (all positive) than two sports (hurling and gaelic football) which have a much larger following. Those are the facts. Explaining/excusing those realities could indicate how delusional one might be.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 23/06/2014 13:38:30    1607650

mod , I wouldn't bother with ormo. I just scroll past the rugby section that he puts on here every now and then.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 23/06/2014 13:45:40    1607656

Just heard SKY will be doing Tipp. v. KK/GW. First marquee game for them.

jerryp (Cork) - Posts: 104 - 23/06/2014 15:51:28    1607803

I think the coverage so far has been good , pity about the quality of the matches

RebelRebel (Cork) - Posts: 3 - 23/06/2014 16:49:38    1607857

Mod, Ormo is the only person who will disagree with you. I don't watch RTE News anymore. Nobody cares about Wales v Aus instead of news on the most important Irish competition going on right now. I've no problem with them constantly covering Rugby as long as they give Hurling and Football their fair share.

Sadly the D4 influenced "national" media covers Rugby in a positive light at the expense of GAA unless in a negative light. These are facts and I'd imagine @RTEwatch is a massive inconvenience to the likes of Ormo. Their points don't really hold much ground any more. You can't deny facts.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 23/06/2014 19:15:27    1607952

So sky are showing Monaghan v Armagh this weekend and Tipp v Killkenny/Galway the week after.

I really hope Galway win the replay. That would light up the championship. Dublin v Galway rematch and Kilkenny v Tipp the former masters battling it out in thurles for survival.

Having said that I'd love to see the Dubs beat the Cats in a Leinster final. It's the only thing bar an AI they've left to achieve.

Can anyone tell me if Sky have shared coverage of any of the provincial finals? ANd if they will be doing the Leinster quarter final?

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 23/06/2014 19:18:55    1607956

23/06/2014 13:38:30 mod
Re Ormondbanner For a person who gets remarkably prickly should his username be misspelt I find it strange to put it mildly that he feels free to accuse other of being paranoid and delusional etc.
Like most posters on HoganStand I choose not to lower the tone of the debate by name calling.
What I presented in the last post was a factual account of RTE Sports News coverage for the previous week. It is not open to debate that RTE News Sports section covered rugby internationals NZ v England and Wales v South Africa and failed to mention any upcoming GAA matches i.e. Galway v Kilkenny; Laois v Fermanagh; Derry v Longford; Wicklow v Offaly; Kerry v Clare; Antrim v Donegal; Cork v Tipp; Galway v Sligo; Limerick v London (I hope I have not left any out. Why cant you spell my name right then and if you are to shorten it than shorten it to something that's relevant to me and a word that makes sense. Ormond.
Ok maybe I should drop the name calling but so should everyone who calls me names like ormo. that isn't fair. that's not my name.
The internationals NZ v England and Wales v South Africa were this weekend and briefly covered. Loads of those games are next weekend and will not be mentioned until later in the week. Nothing wrong with not mentioning many of those games at this time as they'll get covered later
23/06/2014 13:38:30 mod
These are all intercounty matches, this is the Championship; this is late June not February or March.
In the same period RTE News also featured the squad for the emerging nations match v Uruguay and the U20 internationals (rugby of course.
It is also not open to debate that the previous week RTE News covered the Armagh v Cavan affair on 4 occasions. You have concluded that it fair. Perhaps you might look in the mirror before using terms such as paranoid delusional and taking off the rugby coloured glasses might also help. It is a minority sport getting more coverage on RTE (all positive) than two sports (hurling and gaelic football) which have a much larger following. Those are the facts. Explaining/excusing those realities could indicate how delusional one might be. There is very few rugby games on at this time. Only maybe 2/3 games a weekend involving Ireland and another 2/3 games. Rugby is not a minority sport. Maybe GAA doesn't get enough coverage but GAA has to do more to get its own sports/players etc covered more in media. Media cover what they feel is necessary and what the organisations ask them to.

23/06/2014 13:45:40 AthCliath
mod , I wouldn't bother with ormo. I just scroll past the rugby section that he puts on here every now and then. try spell my name correctly AthCliath. I post about rugby in the other sports forum but I talk plenty about Hurling and Gaelic as well but when people talk crap about rugby and have totally wrong ideas and knowledge on rugby and its coverage then I will post

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/06/2014 19:25:32    1607964

23/06/2014 15:51:28 jerryp
Just heard SKY will be doing Tipp. v. KK/GW. First marquee game for them. Great. Should be good to see that on Sky
23/06/2014 19:15:27 Jack_Goff
Mod, Ormo is the only person who will disagree with you. I don't watch RTE News anymore. Nobody cares about Wales v Aus instead of news on the most important Irish competition going on right now. I've no problem with them constantly covering Rugby as long as they give Hurling and Football their fair share.
Sadly the D4 influenced "national" media covers Rugby in a positive light at the expense of GAA unless in a negative light. These are facts and I'd imagine @RTEwatch is a massive inconvenience to the likes of Ormo. Their points don't really hold much ground any more. You can't deny facts. Jack why wont you call me Ormond? Is it too difficult for you to say Ormond.
How do you know nobody cares about Wales and Australia?
Hurling and Gaelic get plenty of coverage and its totally untrue and a complete cliché to say the media is "D4 influenced". Rugby is not always covered in a positive light and certainly not at the GAA. That isn't a fact. If it was surely it would be mentioned in other media regularly by other journalists. Oh wait it isn't.
23/06/2014 19:18:55 Jack_Goff
So sky are showing Monaghan v Armagh this weekend and Tipp v Killkenny/Galway the week after.
I really hope Galway win the replay. That would light up the championship. Dublin v Galway rematch and Kilkenny v Tipp the former masters battling it out in thurles for survival.
Having said that I'd love to see the Dubs beat the Cats in a Leinster final. It's the only thing bar an AI they've left to achieve.
Can anyone tell me if Sky have shared coverage of any of the provincial finals? ANd if they will be doing the Leinster quarter final? Sky are not showing any provincial finals

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/06/2014 19:36:41    1607970

Any fellow Dubs who are unfortunate not to have SKY Sports are more than welcome in Cue,s humble abode.I would never deprive a fellow city slicker gael the chance of seeing his/her beloved games live.I think a 10e entrance fee is more than fair.Looking forward to it.Cheers!

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 23/06/2014 19:43:47    1607976

Ormo
There is very few rugby games on at this time. Only maybe 2/3 games a weekend involving Ireland and another 2/3 games. Rugby is not a minority sport. Maybe GAA doesn't get enough coverage but GAA has to do more to get its own sports/players etc covered more in media. Media cover what they feel is necessary and what the organisations ask them to

That post suggest to me the IRFU have done a deal with RTE to get extensive coverage for Rugby over other sports on RTE. That actually makes sense as to why our most popular national sports getting very little coverage.

Now I've 3 opinions on the situation you suggest.
1: Fair play to the IRFU doing their best to up the exposure of Rugby.

2: Why are the GAA just sitting by and letting this happen? RTE sign big contracts for the GAA that they need for viewers over the summer and big advertising money. They hold the cards so include in the contracts that RTE need to give the GAA it's fair share.

3: Shame on RTE our "national" broadcaster for doing deals with organizations for coverage when everybody on this island pays an equal TV licence. They should be impartial and it doesn't matter if the biggest Rugby fan in the country is head of their sport or not. The most played and attended sports should get the most and best coverage.

They are so biased in so many ways. They will dwell on a brawl in the GAA but if there's a punch up in Rugby you will not hear a word of it especially not 4 times in the week. And now that they show friendlies between the likes of Aus v France there's no reason not to show some negative coverage of the many brawls that occur in Rugby in matches abroad. Or maybe they can just give us equal coverage to our sports at home.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 23/06/2014 19:46:56    1607978

Ormo
How do you know nobody cares about Wales and Australia?
Hurling and Gaelic get plenty of coverage and its totally untrue and a complete cliché to say the media is "D4 influenced". Rugby is not always covered in a positive light and certainly not at the GAA. That isn't a fact. If it was surely it would be mentioned in other media regularly by other journalists. Oh wait it isn't.

I'm sure a small minority do but no more people than care about some news on a crunch qualifier between Longford v Derry, Laois v Fermanagh or Kilkenny v Galway. The key difference between what you mention and what I mention is one is foreign teams playing friendlies and the other is Irish teams playing important matches.

And how can you say they get plenty of coverage? Back that up with facts Ormo. Read @RTEwatch who tracks their biased coverage and you will see what you say is simply not true. Unless you're of the opinion the Rugby is more important that Hurling and Football so therefore deserves more coverage even over the summer months.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 23/06/2014 19:52:53    1607981

Ormo
There is very few rugby games on at this time. Only maybe 2/3 games a weekend involving Ireland and another 2/3 games. Rugby is not a minority sport. Maybe GAA doesn't get enough coverage but GAA has to do more to get its own sports/players etc covered more in media. Media cover what they feel is necessary and what the organisations ask them to
23/06/2014 19:46:56 Jack_Goff
That post suggest to me the IRFU have done a deal with RTE to get extensive coverage for Rugby over other sports on RTE. That actually makes sense as to why our most popular national sports getting very little coverage.
Now I've 3 opinions on the situation you suggest.
1: Fair play to the IRFU doing their best to up the exposure of Rugby.
2: Why are the GAA just sitting by and letting this happen? RTE sign big contracts for the GAA that they need for viewers over the summer and big advertising money. They hold the cards so include in the contracts that RTE need to give the GAA it's fair share.
3: Shame on RTE our "national" broadcaster for doing deals with organizations for coverage when everybody on this island pays an equal TV licence. They should be impartial and it doesn't matter if the biggest Rugby fan in the country is head of their sport or not. The most played and attended sports should get the most and best coverage.
They are so biased in so many ways. They will dwell on a brawl in the GAA but if there's a punch up in Rugby you will not hear a word of it especially not 4 times in the week. And now that they show friendlies between the likes of Aus v France there's no reason not to show some negative coverage of the many brawls that occur in Rugby in matches abroad. Or maybe they can just give us equal coverage to our sports at home. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah if you think IRFU have done a deal with anyone. Maybe its rugby journalists do an excellent job and much better than GAA journalists and the rugby pr people are much better than the GAA pr people.
What is the "fair share" you think the GAA should be getting?
RTE are our national broadcaster and are fair to all sport organisations. If they were impartial they wouldn't just be showing international rugby next season. They will have no provincial rugby live on tv next season. Just internationals.
What punch ups involving the provinces etc should have been on tv screens like what have occurred in big GAA games in recent times.

Ormond
How do you know nobody cares about Wales and Australia?
Hurling and Gaelic get plenty of coverage and its totally untrue and a complete cliché to say the media is "D4 influenced". Rugby is not always covered in a positive light and certainly not at the GAA. That isn't a fact. If it was surely it would be mentioned in other media regularly by other journalists. Oh wait it isn't.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/06/2014 20:26:43    1608002

23/06/2014 19:52:53
Jack_Goff
I'm sure a small minority do but no more people than care about some news on a crunch qualifier between Longford v Derry, Laois v Fermanagh or Kilkenny v Galway. The key difference between what you mention and what I mention is one is foreign teams playing friendlies and the other is Irish teams playing important matches.
And how can you say they get plenty of coverage? Back that up with facts Ormo. Read @RTEwatch who tracks their biased coverage and you will see what you say is simply not true. Unless you're of the opinion the Rugby is more important that Hurling and Football so therefore deserves more coverage even over the summer months.RTEwatch doesn't track biased coverage. It tracks the coverage of RTE. I have never said anything like Rugby is more important than hurling or gaelic. Those games the rugby sides were not just mere "friendlies" but very important test games vital ahead of the world cup as last chance for European sides to play full on tests in the southern hemisphere ahead of the world cup. GAA gets between 2-4 hours minimum live on RTE every weekend. They get news coverage across most bulletons every day and all media like radio and websites.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/06/2014 20:27:17    1608003

23/06/2014 19:52:53
Jack_Goff
I'm sure a small minority do but no more people than care about some news on a crunch qualifier between Longford v Derry, Laois v Fermanagh or Kilkenny v Galway. The key difference between what you mention and what I mention is one is foreign teams playing friendlies and the other is Irish teams playing important matches.
And how can you say they get plenty of coverage? Back that up with facts Ormo. Read @RTEwatch who tracks their biased coverage and you will see what you say is simply not true. Unless you're of the opinion the Rugby is more important that Hurling and Football so therefore deserves more coverage even over the summer months.RTEwatch doesn't track biased coverage. It tracks the coverage of RTE. I have never said anything like Rugby is more important than hurling or gaelic. Those games the rugby sides were not just mere "friendlies" but very important test games vital ahead of the world cup as last chance for European sides to play full on tests in the southern hemisphere ahead of the world cup. GAA gets between 2-4 hours minimum live on RTE every weekend. They get news coverage across most bulletons every day and all media like radio and websites.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/06/2014 20:27:47    1608004

18 thousand again was the viewers for galway v sligo on sky sports
329 thousand was the viewers for galway v kilkenny on sunday on rte
didnt see the footage

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/06/2014 12:36:00    1608221

It doesn't help our cause when our most high profile pundits cover our games in a negative light for the majority of the time, maybe thats the crux of the issue, not giving RTE the stick with which to beat the GAA.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 24/06/2014 13:23:18    1608259

"18 thousand again was the viewers for galway v sligo on sky sports"

Is that good or bad. What would their Irish viewership be for a typical English soccer match?

source (Dublin) - Posts: 35 - 24/06/2014 13:40:09    1608268

18 thousand again was the viewers for galway v sligo on sky sports
329 thousand was the viewers for galway v kilkenny on sunday on rte
didnt see the footage

These statistics are not relevant to each other and not comparable. Two main reasons.

1. RTE has a much higher number of people who have access to view it
2. Those people who just have freeview have access to a lot less channels then those with SKY, faced with less competition for channel, those with a casual interest would be more likely to watch hurling on freeview then SKY.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 24/06/2014 13:59:59    1608277

well it was 32 thousand for their first live brodacast featuring kilkenny v offaly
then last week wexford v dublin was 18 thousand
and this weekend gone sligo v galway was 18 thousand again
the point i was making is that seems to be their viewership
making the point about rte is not comparing them I was just giving the actual numbers to show.
the early signs are showing one thing though that sky havent gained any new customers with them figures

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/06/2014 15:59:26    1608359

Is that gloating I detect hill16no1man, 2 games into Sky's contract is hardly time to make judgements now is it?

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 24/06/2014 16:30:02    1608379