County: Longford
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1578994 Interesting thread. I was at a function on Sunday which was being held in the local rugby club. In the bar there they showed the hurling league semis (sound turned down) & the United/Everton match. Almost no one was watching the soccer & severals were tuning in to the soundless hurling. If that was last year there would've been a crowd watching the United game & probably no one would even ask for the hurling to be shown. Says a lot about the bandwagon effect in sport in Ireland.

Interesting post and I wouldn't doubt one word of it.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 14:24:52    1579046

I think 'rebel cork ' summed this up last night. Does it really matter?

David (Meath) - Posts: 567 - 23/04/2014 14:36:03    1579060

"The royals have suffered big way from republican twats"

Ormo has just kindly identified and proved many peoples points about how Anglicized we've become.

Watching the news the other night they showed brief highlights of the Roscommon v Cork u21 semi final followed by 10 secs of the Dublin v Can semi showing 1 kick of the ball.

They followed that by showing all the english soccer matches including highlights of the likes of Palace v West ham and Stoke v Cardiff which on their own were longer than the u21 semi's put together. RTE have stooped to a new low and it's only going to get worse. The problem is some of their higher ups are some of the most Anglicized people in this country and don't represent the majority of us.

I mean who wants to see a longer report on Palace v Cardiff than our u21 All-Ireland semi finals!

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 23/04/2014 14:38:17    1579063

Ormanand.....

>A significant number of supporters here do attend games and they definitely do contribute to coffers through jerseys amongst other memorabilia.

Significant. Really?? I have plenty of friends who claim to be Man U fans and Liverpool fans but I could count on one hand the amount of times they, collectively, have been to see them in England. Yes like I said they do contribute through jersey purchases.

>I don't think its pathetic at all that supporters here use the royal "we" when talking about soccer clubs in England. When the league is so strong over in England and with England having such an >influence on Ireland(like that or loathe it) there is nothing wrong with it and majority of supporters do travel over to games

So now it's the MAJORITY of supporters. Seriously where are you getting these figures from? You are mistaking my post for an anti-English rant I think. The teams could be based in any country I would still find the usage of the term WE pathetic to be honest. I can just imagine football fans in Portugal talking about 'we' in the context of their seeming undying loyalty to Everton let's say. Is it not embarrassing to think that when Liverpool come over to play one of the most successful Irish teams ever, SDCC Rovers, that the vast majority of the Irish fans there will be cheering for the English team? Surely something is very wrong with that. Would this be acceptable to you if it was Wasps playing Munster for example?


>As for your RTEngland shite. Give over and couldn't be further from the truth. No schools rugby is shown on RTE. they do show the odd club game(about 1 a season) but that's it. The other rugby they show is the provinces and national sides.

Come on would you. I would guess that the amount of air time, radio and TV, given over to rugby as a % is completely disproportionate to the amount of people who play it or are club members. We all know where Mr Nugent's loyalties lie and we all knew where Mr Cogley's loyalties lay. The RTEngland thing is a joke that normally circulates among league of Ireland fans and is a dig at the station's obsession with the English football league and almost total neglect of the domestic league. That's all. It certainly isn't xenophobia.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/04/2014 14:38:30    1579064

gilly2308

"There is a certain mentality in this country, that would love an Ireland devoid of any outside influence, a De Valera 'dancing at the crossroads' Ireland, where only Irish culture pervades. "

I was wondering when this hoary old chestnut would be pulled from the fire, its not subtle but describes a view i have never encountered.

Irish people are far more open to outside influences than any other, we speak anothers tongue don't we? We play soccer, rugby, cricket, hockey and GAA sports. In this World of truly awful shallow blandness, be it politics, sports, news media, lifestyle choices and religion anything that stands out that is unique or individual should be held up as something special and rare. David Moyes and his replacement the truly woegious Giggsy Wiggsy is not in this catagory.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 23/04/2014 14:38:48    1579065

I'm with you, HurlingDub.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 23/04/2014 14:39:02    1579066

David
County: Meath
Posts: 241

1579060 I think 'rebel cork ' summed this up last night. Does it really matter?

I think thats pretty clear from the response above! Its definitely not going to change but yes it does matter to a lot of people.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 14:39:17    1579067

As someone who lives in England, I find the idea of the lead story on RTE news to be about a Scottish manager getting sacked by American owners at an English based football club that does not have a single Irish squad member (I think) both amusing and embarrassing. Most soccer fans here that I speak to find the Irish supporters/day trippers/plastics to be an embarrassment to both the club they support and Ireland, and are bewildered by the idea of them supporting an English based team, so it is even more amusing that RTE should have this as their main story. I wonder where RTE will draw the line when reporting on goings on at United - surely if the sacking of Moyes is headline news then the signing of a major world star will also have to be led with? Would Rooney or another 'star' pulling a hamstring also make it in the top 3 lead stories?

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 23/04/2014 14:50:34    1579075

Fair enough culann. It matters to some.

For me, I'll simply follow & support my GAA club & county. I'm not worried about the rest of it. If RTE or any other network for that matter wish to talk about other sports etc, then that's their choice.

I can only look after myself and my interests.

David (Meath) - Posts: 567 - 23/04/2014 14:54:55    1579079

Fair enough culann. It matters to some.

For me, I'll simply follow & support my GAA club & county. I'm not worried about the rest of it. If RTE or any other network for that matter wish to talk about other sports etc, then that's their choice.

I can only look after myself and my interests.

David (Meath) - Posts: 567 - 23/04/2014 14:54:55    1579080

Soma
County: UK
Posts: 230

1579075 As someone who lives in England, I find the idea of the lead story on RTE news to be about a Scottish manager getting sacked by American owners at an English based football club that does not have a single Irish squad member (I think) both amusing and embarrassing. Most soccer fans here that I speak to find the Irish supporters/day trippers/plastics to be an embarrassment to both the club they support and Ireland, and are bewildered by the idea of them supporting an English based team, so it is even more amusing that RTE should have this as their main story. I wonder where RTE will draw the line when reporting on goings on at United - surely if the sacking of Moyes is headline news then the signing of a major world star will also have to be led with? Would Rooney or another 'star' pulling a hamstring also make it in the top 3 lead stories?

I remember once when staying in a county Mayo hotel overhearing three Brits talking about Irish people calling their teams 'us' and 'we' and they coudn't understand it. They than went on to talk about the triccolours that apparently can be seen at some games and thought we would be fairly annoye if they did such a thing. Also they mentioned our problem with the English press when they said that Katie Taylor was British. They knew it was wrong but they couldn't unedrstand why the Irish were so upset about seeing the Irish call their teams 'us' and 'we'. Interesting.....

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 15:03:48    1579086

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 7152


. A significant number of supporters here do attend games and they definitely do contribute to coffers through jerseys amongst other memorabilia. I don't think its pathetic at all that supporters here use the royal "we" when talking about soccer clubs in England. When the league is so strong over in England and with England having such an influence on Ireland(like that or loathe it) there is nothing wrong with it and majority of supporters do travel over to games

??????????????

The "majority" do travel to games?

The "majority" have been over at some stage maybe.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 23/04/2014 15:22:19    1579106

Soma
County: UK
Posts: 230

1579075 As someone who lives in England, I find the idea of the lead story on RTE news to be about a Scottish manager getting sacked by American owners at an English based football club that does not have a single Irish squad member (I think) both amusing and embarrassing. Most soccer fans here that I speak to find the Irish supporters/day trippers/plastics to be an embarrassment to both the club they support and Ireland, and are bewildered by the idea of them supporting an English based team, so it is even more amusing that RTE should have this as their main story. I wonder where RTE will draw the line when reporting on goings on at United - surely if the sacking of Moyes is headline news then the signing of a major world star will also have to be led with? Would Rooney or another 'star' pulling a hamstring also make it in the top 3 lead stories?

Agree totally and this is the point I am trying, poorly, to make. It doesn't matter of it's an English team or a Swedish team, the point is that we, sports fans in Ireland, are completely obsessed with a soccer league in another country. I have had similar experiences with English soccer fans. Bumped into 2 guys from Bolton a couple of years ago with a mate of mine who has no interest in league of Ireland or GAA but does "support" Arsenal. When asked who we support, I said Bohemian FC and regaled them with stories of european travels and defeating Aberdeen in the UEFA cup etc. but my mate stated that he was an Arsenal fan. They just couldn't undersatnd this. At least he didn't get into the "we" thing which I'm sure really would have puzzled them.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/04/2014 15:27:54    1579110

Ormo, whats wrong with the Irish soaps - the acting? the storylines? that they are set in Dublin or a fictional place called Ros na Rún? What is it that gives you the feeling that they are inferior to the British soaps??

Culann in all fairness mate, Irish soaps are rubbish, seriously there are many things to be proud of in this country, but our soaps are most definitely not one of them.

gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 23/04/2014 15:33:07    1579115

gilly2308
County: Galway
Posts: 987

1579115 Ormo, whats wrong with the Irish soaps - the acting? the storylines? that they are set in Dublin or a fictional place called Ros na Rún? What is it that gives you the feeling that they are inferior to the British soaps??

Culann in all fairness mate, Irish soaps are rubbish, seriously there are many things to be proud of in this country, but our soaps are most definitely not one of them.

Well address the same questions I put to Ormo then. The British soaps are just as crap. Same stories, same sort of characters etc etc

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 15:40:50    1579121

Better watch boys, before long they'll have Ireland in the Commonwealth family of nations, all in the name of 'moving on' and all of that.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 23/04/2014 15:43:31    1579123

Yes it does,

Manchester United is a huge club with a huge reputation and earnings similar to some massive corps like Microsoft eg. They make millions everyday selling merchandise around the world. So their always going to get a the top headline.

Also bare in mind more people in Ireland probably follow Man U than GAA. Even alot of fanatic GAA supporters follow Man U too.

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 23/04/2014 15:44:19    1579124

brendtheredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 9219

1579123 Better watch boys, before long they'll have Ireland in the Commonwealth family of nations, all in the name of 'moving on' and all of that.

The funny thing (well its not really funny) about that is that it could be just around the corner - bacuase of our moving on and how we've grown up and all that!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 15:51:42    1579128

crossfieldball
County: Galway
Posts: 566

Also bare in mind more people in Ireland probably follow Man U than GAA. Even alot of fanatic GAA supporters follow Man U too.

That's just not true.

Granted many GAA people do follow Man Utd but for that to be through the opposite is also true!

Even if you counted every GAA&Man Utd supporter as only a Man Utd supporter I don't think you'd top the number of GAA fans in the country.

Especially as to count as a supporter you only have to have a jersey/watch some games live/occasionally go to a match/have an interest.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 23/04/2014 16:11:17    1579145

Well Culann, everything changed after England played at Croke park don't you know!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 23/04/2014 16:21:34    1579154