My biggest gripe is with the labelling of these people as 'fans' like they actually attend matches and heavily contribute to the Man U coffers. The only contribution is the mark-up that Man U gets on the overly priced jerseys. Diageo get much more out of EP 'fans' than the clubs do. For my sins I am a Bohs fan. Yes I actually attend games in Dalymount and most away games. For better or worse I consider myself a Bohs fan having grown-up just up the road from the ground and suffered with the club since the mid 70s. Is there anything more pathetic hearing a thirty something calling into Newstalk and using the plural when talking about a particular premiership clubs fans. WE are devastated with the Moyes sacking, I think WE can still qualify for Europe. This from somebody who has probably never travelled across the Irish Sea.

As for RTEngland. The coverage is to be expected just like live coverage of some obscure rugby schools match with 50 people in attendance. Their priorities lie elsewhere. Certainly not with the national sport anyway.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/04/2014 12:27:45    1578945

sad thing is the media in this country are just reflecting what the public want. Check out some newspaper websites and you would wonder which country we actually live in as they are full of stories of English z list "celebrities" and the royal family. I remember Liam Griffin saying years ago he was fed up of hearing lads in his home town all annoyed and worried about Liverpool or Man Utd rather than taking an interest in their local clubs fortunes.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1803 - 23/04/2014 12:28:08    1578946

jpcampion
County: Laois
Posts: 116
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As for the self serving nationalistic nonsense. If you are that anti english then stop speaking and posting in english.
The xenophobia on this forum is frightening at times.

2 things - if that was directed at me! Firstly I am in no way anti-English. In fact I admire them greatly for taking great pride in their identity and for having such a strong culture. It is with Irish people I have the probem - and please don't lable me negatively for that! This is a discussion site and I am just expressing my opinion and I am not ramming those opinions down anyones throats.

Secondaly, I used to post on this site as Gaeilge (county names etc) and I started a few threads as Gaeilge but stopped due to posters complaining. In fact (and I hope they allow this point to go through) Hogan Stand asked me to cut back on the amount of Irish only threads I started due to people complaining.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 12:30:59    1578948

Just for the record, what would be wrong with that? Is that not the way things are in most other 'independent' countries? Their own cultures pervade?
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but as a nation we have always been very dependant on the US and UK for our culture, so obviously our culture is not enough for our people.

Where I have the problem with this whole Moyes thing is that it was the main headline on all news bulletins I heard yesterday apart from Raidió na Gaeltachta. Deaths on roads were reported in Ireland yesterday, Quinn, the minister for Education, came out with some nonsense yesterday. Theses are things that effect the people of Ireland yet David Moyes (a scot) and Manchester United(an English business) were given more air time and higher importace to the news of Ireland.
Fair enough it probably didn't justify been the lead headline on RTE news, but whether you like it or not the manger of Manchester United been sacked is far bigger news than Mickey Harte or Jim Mc Guinness been sacked. English football is global and the biggest sporting brand on planet earth, so whether we like it or not, most of the time it's going to dominate local sports such as GAA on Irish media.

People here are trying to justify this by saying its economics and its global news. Fair enough report on it but not as the main news that takes up one third of the whole news!
I've already pretty much answered this question above.

gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 23/04/2014 12:33:31    1578949

To put that Man Utd story ahead of the Ukraine situation on last night's news did seem a bit inappropriate. This was further underlined with some 'VIP interviews' from the supporter's club, with some lads and lassie, one of whom couldn't even correctly pronounce the name of one of his favoured successors to Moyes. Good comedy, toe curling though, the supporters club bit.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3457 - 23/04/2014 12:42:31    1578958

gilly2308
County: Galway
Posts: 985

1578949 Just for the record, what would be wrong with that? Is that not the way things are in most other 'independent' countries? Their own cultures pervade?
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but as a nation we have always been very dependant on the US and UK for our culture, so obviously our culture is not enough for our people.


I take issue with this part, Gillie, and with all due respect. We are not dependent on US and UK for ''our'' culture. A majority of Irish people are dependent on the US and the UK for their culture which tells me than many many Irish people would rather the US and UK's culture than the culture of Ireland. This is why I say Irish people have become more English than the English themselves. Apart from place of birth many many Irish people are the same as English people - same culture, same outlook, same sense of identity (Liverpoo fanl, Manchester fan etc.)

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 13:00:17    1578972

Culann
All I did above was ask three questions of Gilly of which none have been answered as of yet. Don't qusetion what you think to be my opinion based on those three questions. At least wait until I have given one! Off the top of my head the ony opinion I think I gave until now is the one about the Irish having become more English than the English themselves. Question that if you'd like!

But clearly that opinion expresses some issue with english products in ireland. If the quality is of the required standard, then what does it matter where it comes from? Why are you paying such attention to the fact that it is english as opposed to a very high quality product that we cannot reproduce ourselves, and how does that make us english as opposed to just irish people with interest in world class sport based in england, amoung other places. Also, you never asnwered any of the questions I posed to you.

As regards your admiration for england and their identification with their own culture, do you know the biggest growth sport in england last year? Gaelic Football. A few years back it was american football.

Someone watching english soccer doesnt make them any less irish. Some people in ireland watch american football, indeed many intercounty footballers watch american basketball. Why no issue with that?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/04/2014 13:03:45    1578975

Ormo, no harm lad but you don't half talk some amount of s***, the suffering of the royal family, their link to 1916, wtf!!!!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 23/04/2014 13:12:30    1578980

Culann,
"Firstly I am in no way anti-English. In fact I admire them greatly for taking great pride in their identity and for having such a strong culture."

The English have little or no culture of their own left. And yet many here do their damnedest to ape them which is very frustrating to witness.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 23/04/2014 13:23:32    1578984

23/04/2014 11:46:29
Culann
Ormond The culture of Ireland is very different to that of England's. The culture Irish people have adopted is very English. As I said before - English soccer, English soap, English royals, we even had Irish people giving off that the British monarchs tweeted as Gaeilge 'thats not our language' etc etc. Do you not see where I am coming from.
I'm not getting passsionate about it. Thats why I'm relucteant to say much more on the issue - before I get labled with being anti-English, backwards, setc. setc. I said above I was going to say as little as possible about. I'm been dead honest I am not speaking apssionately about this. If thtis is what Irish people want well so be it - but I have every right to be dissappointed about it just as you have to be happy about it! Culture isn't that different and I do see where you are coming from and in my opinion it is quite a xenophobic viewpoint.
You are getting wound up/passionate about it as its not the first time you have had posts of a similar anutr.
23/04/2014 11:50:56
Liamwalkinstown
For the record, despite what I said earlier in this thread, and i stand by it, having it as the MAIN news story on the 6.01 news was absolutely incredible! And just plain wrong...
I genuinely believe they lead with it so to stop people switching to SSN for the hour. I don't see any issue with it being main news story. RTE are in the business of getting viewers as well as reporting the news. Could be worse RTE could be as bad as some of the American stations fox etc
23/04/2014 12:19:43 jpcampion
What a bunch of auld women. Moaning about whats on the news now. Truth be told after the long weekend it was a slowish news day. So of course a story like the Moyes one would take centre stage. It was breaking news and dealt with a multi million international company firing its manager after only 10 months. It has nothing to do with the GAA and probably not too much to do with soccer either. It was big news for 12 hours and now its moved back to the back pages. Get over it.
As for the self serving nationalistic nonsense. If you are that anti english then stop speaking and posting in english.
The xenophobia on this forum is frightening at times. plus he was only 10 months into a 5 year contract. great post

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/04/2014 13:26:39    1578986

23/04/2014 12:27:45 Joxer
My biggest gripe is with the labelling of these people as 'fans' like they actually attend matches and heavily contribute to the Man U coffers. The only contribution is the mark-up that Man U gets on the overly priced jerseys. Diageo get much more out of EP 'fans' than the clubs do. For my sins I am a Bohs fan. Yes I actually attend games in Dalymount and most away games. For better or worse I consider myself a Bohs fan having grown-up just up the road from the ground and suffered with the club since the mid 70s. Is there anything more pathetic hearing a thirty something calling into Newstalk and using the plural when talking about a particular premiership clubs fans. WE are devastated with the Moyes sacking, I think WE can still qualify for Europe. This from somebody who has probably never travelled across the Irish Sea.
As for RTEngland. The coverage is to be expected just like live coverage of some obscure rugby schools match with 50 people in attendance. Their priorities lie elsewhere. Certainly not with the national sport anyway. A significant number of supporters here do attend games and they definitely do contribute to coffers through jerseys amongst other memorabilia. I don't think its pathetic at all that supporters here use the royal "we" when talking about soccer clubs in England. When the league is so strong over in England and with England having such an influence on Ireland(like that or loathe it) there is nothing wrong with it and majority of supporters do travel over to games
As for your RTEngland shite. Give over and couldn't be further from the truth. No schools rugby is shown on RTE. they do show the odd club game(about 1 a season) but that's it. The other rugby they show is the provinces and national sides.
very xenophobic viewpoints here...

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/04/2014 13:27:33    1578989

Interesting thread. I was at a function on Sunday which was being held in the local rugby club. In the bar there they showed the hurling league semis (sound turned down) & the United/Everton match. Almost no one was watching the soccer & severals were tuning in to the soundless hurling. If that was last year there would've been a crowd watching the United game & probably no one would even ask for the hurling to be shown. Says a lot about the bandwagon effect in sport in Ireland.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 23/04/2014 13:32:40    1578994

23/04/2014 12:28:08
seanie08
sad thing is the media in this country are just reflecting what the public want. Check out some newspaper websites and you would wonder which country we actually live in as they are full of stories of English z list "celebrities" and the royal family. I remember Liam Griffin saying years ago he was fed up of hearing lads in his home town all annoyed and worried about Liverpool or Man Utd rather than taking an interest in their local clubs fortunes. what is sad with media giving the public what they want?

23/04/2014 12:30:59
Culann
2 things - if that was directed at me! Firstly I am in no way anti-English. In fact I admire them greatly for taking great pride in their identity and for having such a strong culture. It is with Irish people I have the probem - and please don't lable me negatively for that! This is a discussion site and I am just expressing my opinion and I am not ramming those opinions down anyones throats.
Secondaly, I used to post on this site as Gaeilge (county names etc) and I started a few threads as Gaeilge but stopped due to posters complaining. In fact (and I hope they allow this point to go through) Hogan Stand asked me to cut back on the amount of Irish only threads I started due to people complaining. Strange as by a lot of your posts you give the impression you are anti English totally republican.
I criticised you on posting county names as gaeilge as it came across as snobbish.

23/04/2014 13:00:17 Culann
I take issue with this part, Gillie, and with all due respect. We are not dependent on US and UK for ''our'' culture. A majority of Irish people are dependent on the US and the UK for their culture which tells me than many many Irish people would rather the US and UK's culture than the culture of Ireland. This is why I say Irish people have become more English than the English themselves. Apart from place of birth many many Irish people are the same as English people - same culture, same outlook, same sense of identity (Liverpoo fanl, Manchester fan etc.) We very much are dependent due to roles each of America/uk have played in irish history as well as tied roles in most sectors we have with each country.
That doesn't mean we have become more English than English themselves and we don't have same culture, outlook, sense of identity and just because many football fans follow Liverpool, man utd doesn't change anything

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/04/2014 13:32:47    1578995

RTE News & it's soccer coverage is almost comical anyway. Tony Connolly etc going around hanging on Trapp's pigeon English on some meaningless friendly that nearly no one could sit through without trying to eat their own feet. Joke shop.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 23/04/2014 13:40:13    1579003

keeper7
County: Longford
Posts: 1908

The English have little or no culture of their own left. And yet many here do their damnedest to ape them which is very frustrating to witness.

They have their royals, there football and the culture that goes with it, they have their soaps, their popmusic, their raves. We in Ireland have our own versions of these things but they come second to our neighbours' in Britain unfortunately. I think we Irish just have an inferiority complex or something - and I say this with our national games, language, traditional music, our own soaps setc in mind.

By the way I strongly agree with the second part there above.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 13:59:41    1579013

Very true keeper. We are not talking about Shakespeare here!

It is dumbed down culture of soap operas and 'talent' competitions for the talentless judged by the talentless. They have even managed to turn their own once great soccer league into a soap opera controlled by dodgy foreign billionaires played and managed by all sorts of degenerates, imbeciles and chancers.

If that is what people here want to consume then good luck to them. Don't expect the rest of us who have higher values and tastes to be happy about it.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 23/04/2014 14:03:54    1579015

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 7147

Strange as by a lot of your posts you give the impression you are anti English totally republican.

A republican in what sense? From what I understad from that is that you are saying that republican are anti-English? Is that correct?

I criticised you on posting county names as gaeilge as it came across as snobbish.

Thats ridiculous!! Do you think that it is snobbish to have all county teams as Gaeilge on the back of jerseys. Are you just trying to wind me up here!!?

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 14:07:59    1579022

Ormond
We very much are dependent due to roles each of America/uk have played in irish history as well as tied roles in most sectors we have with each country.
That doesn't mean we have become more English than English themselves and we don't have same culture, outlook, sense of identity and just because many football fans follow Liverpool, man utd doesn't change anything

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one Ormond - big time!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 14:09:37    1579024

23/04/2014 13:03:45 TheMaster
But clearly that opinion expresses some issue with english products in ireland. If the quality is of the required standard, then what does it matter where it comes from? Why are you paying such attention to the fact that it is english as opposed to a very high quality product that we cannot reproduce ourselves, and how does that make us english as opposed to just irish people with interest in world class sport based in england, amoung other places. Also, you never asnwered any of the questions I posed to you.
As regards your admiration for england and their identification with their own culture, do you know the biggest growth sport in england last year? Gaelic Football. A few years back it was american football.
Someone watching english soccer doesnt make them any less irish. Some people in ireland watch american football, indeed many intercounty footballers watch american basketball. Why no issue with that? Excellent post.

23/04/2014 13:12:30
brendtheredhand
Ormo, no harm lad but you don't half talk some amount of s***, the suffering of the royal family, their link to 1916, wtf!!!! stop trolling with the ormo shite. The royals have suffered big way from republican twats from this country. bombings/bomb threats etc(no need to go on as this shite is rightfully not covered here anymore)

23/04/2014 13:59:41 Culann
They have their royals, there football and the culture that goes with it, they have their soaps, their popmusic, their raves. We in Ireland have our own versions of these things but they come second to our neighbours' in Britain unfortunately. I think we Irish just have an inferiority complex or something - and I say this with our national games, language, traditional music, our own soaps setc in mind.
By the way I strongly agree with the second part there above. Our versions of soaps etc come second as theyre not as good. Whats unfortunate about people watching/using things of our neighbours that are better than what we have.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/04/2014 14:10:04    1579027

Ormo, whats wrong with the Irish soaps - the acting? the storylines? that they are set in Dublin or a fictional place called Ros na Rún? What is it that gives you the feeling that they are inferior to the British soaps??

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 14:22:17    1579044