Joxer you hit the nail on the head,RTE have gone tabloid,any so called celebrity is now given priority over real news, in my opinion,the sacking of a soccer manager in England,no matter how famous the club should not headline the news,even my son who is a Man U fan said when the news came on that it shouldnt be the first item,I suppose we who have that opinion are anti soccer and anti English and narrowminded,but I think I am none of those things,at my age I am not anti anything,all my antis are gone even my aunties RIP,I am not even anti ormond who continually lectures any poster he doesnt agree with,

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 534 - 26/04/2014 13:23:13    1580239

I was in Asia last week when the news broke about David Moyes and it was the headline news on the local stations and also on CNN and Al Jazeera , the English premiership is a worldwide phenomenon and even though this might grate with a lot of the GAA people on here it was probably worthy of headline news on RTE .

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 26/04/2014 14:17:51    1580256

26/04/2014 12:36:13
Joxer
Ormond I would have thought that the Ukrainian story, it being of global significance and nationally would have been hugely appealing to the 100s of thousands of Eastern Europeans living here, would have received top billing. Like I say this was poor judgement by RTE and pandering to what it perceives to be it's large UK tabloid reading Irish viewership. It's a pity that the national broadcaster has come to this but we all know the people who are making the calls at the top in RTE. Like I said before RTE is out of touch and has been for a long time. As for they knowing what's best for their viewers - see my previous post on evidence to the contrary. Poor judgement by RTE. The professional media staff in RTE thought otherwise and I would take their views over yours and mine every day of the week.
"We all know the people who are making the calls at the top in RTE" hahahaha
if you(and everyone else here) are so concerned look to do something about it rather than continuously bitch on here about problems you have with rte. It wasn't poor judgement call by RTE if a large proportion of the public wanted to hear the story and RTE clearly felt it deserved the billing it received.
26/04/2014 13:11:04 hill16no1man
ormondbannerman its not mossy quinns job to market the national league finals mossy quinns job is to market dublin gaa surely you can grasp that the gaa have marketing guys as you said yourself but where is the adds for this weeks games?
mossy quinn however im sure will be in charge of marketing the spring series next year and I would expect to see a big differance in the marketing of it compared to the last couple of years.
he has done a good job already in the few weeks in his position bringing toyota on board as car sponsors who have given cars for both football and hurling squads and last week revealed that toyota will be giving 30 thousand euro to be split between
six dublin gaa clubs evenly the six clubs will be the clubs who get the most members to test drive one of the new toyota vehicles over the next monthhill he is a full time media and commercial manager based in the capital and the county he works with is competing in the league final of course its his job to market the finals.
He is one of the GAA marketing guys.

26/04/2014 13:15:55
hill16no1man
your not using your head here
the angelus is on at six o clock
followed directly by the main news headlines
now how many of your mates who are massive english soccer supporters tune in at 6 o clock for the angelus?
most people who want to hear sports news will turn on at about 6.20 pm as they generally know sports news doesnt be at the start of a bulletin.the people who will be tuning in for the angelus the majority of them a minute later
would defo be more interested in a disaster in the world over a soccer manager generally most people do tune in for the whole of the news and don't just wait for the sports. You cant definitively say that most who want to hear the sports news just are interested in the sport and will just turn over to RTE 1 at the time the sports news generally comes on. that's total guesswork out of you

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/04/2014 16:05:30    1580282

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Ferry disaster sad but relevance to Ireland...not much.
United story more relevant to more people.
The journalists involved clearly felt that the story was best to lead with and I think they know best.
How was it a poor judgement call by RTE? They as likely put the story to such a prominent position in news for competition reasons and if by leading with it they would have kept viewers for longer and viewers wouldn't have switched to rival stations..
"Get back in touch with the people" RTE could most certainly be much better but theyre the best in Ireland and those who made the decision clearly know better than you or i.

One of the cornerstones of any publicly funded national news services should be objectivity. Of course there was alot of interest in the at the sacking of David Moyes, and no-one is saying it shouldn't have been reported on. But if you're just going to go down the route of giving priority to stories that we think will be popular for the sake of ratings, the news might as well just be a half hour of celebrity gossip, it would hit the same target audience.

But it wouldn't be news. And objectively, impending war in the Ukraine, or a ferry or air disaster, is more important news than the sacking of a football manager. In the greater scheme of things, it matters more. And a public news service needs to be leading with stories that are objectively important, and not just popular. This is particularly important in an age where our news is becoming increasingly more personalized (i.e. where home pages on your browser shows you news they think you'll be interested in seeing based on your viewing history, rather than whats objectively important).

If the national news caster is going to prioritize news based on its potential popular appeal, in chase of ratings, then it can give us back our license fee. Otherwise, they need to provide a public service and keep us informed on things that matter, not pander to the lowest common denominator.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 26/04/2014 16:10:37    1580284

Tinrylandman,

"I was in Asia last week when the news broke about David Moyes and it was the headline news on the local stations"

Ahead of the Korean ferry disaster or the missing Malaysian airplane??? What part of Asia were you in?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 26/04/2014 16:49:14    1580301

was just about to say the same Keeper7

juniorbsub (Wexford) - Posts: 646 - 26/04/2014 17:00:22    1580307

Brendan Rodgers will surely be headline news soon, only the 2nd ever Irish manager to win the English Division 1/Premier League

4KHDoneill (Derry) - Posts: 182 - 26/04/2014 17:02:05    1580309

I was in Dubai

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 26/04/2014 17:24:36    1580313

Ormond

I would love to be able to do something about it. What do you suggest, withhold my licence fee? Trust me I would love to.

Would I like our state broadcaster to stop paying hundreds of thousand to soccer 'analysts' like Brady, Giles, Dunphy, Souness, Whelan for offering their opinions on games like Dortmund v Benfica? Yes. This is an organisation that is up to it's eyes in debt, being bailed out by licence fee payers, yet it is fine to pay outrageous appearance fees to ex-pats so that they can laugh it up in London??

Would I like to see them drop hangers-on like Gaybo from their programming? Absolutely.

Would I like to see then report news that's important and relevant instead of pandering to what they see as the tabloid reading Irish viewership? Yes

Marlon_JD has done an excellent job of summing up RTE's shortcomings and that Moyes story just illustrates the problem. If news stories were about popularity then Eastenders and One Direction would be top billing every night.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 26/04/2014 18:22:27    1580346

26/04/2014 16:10:37 Marlon_JD
One of the cornerstones of any publicly funded national news services should be objectivity. Of course there was alot of interest in the at the sacking of David Moyes, and no-one is saying it shouldn't have been reported on. But if you're just going to go down the route of giving priority to stories that we think will be popular for the sake of ratings, the news might as well just be a half hour of celebrity gossip, it would hit the same target audience.
But it wouldn't be news. And objectively, impending war in the Ukraine, or a ferry or air disaster, is more important news than the sacking of a football manager. In the greater scheme of things, it matters more. And a public news service needs to be leading with stories that are objectively important, and not just popular. This is particularly important in an age where our news is becoming increasingly more personalized (i.e. where home pages on your browser shows you news they think you'll be interested in seeing based on your viewing history, rather than whats objectively important).
If the national news caster is going to prioritize news based on its potential popular appeal, in chase of ratings, then it can give us back our license fee. Otherwise, they need to provide a public service and keep us informed on things that matter, not pander to the lowest common denominator. I just don't see the big deal of the reporting of the story. Yes a publicly funded media outlet such as RTE has to keep an objective viewpoint but the coverage of the united story wasn't biased and there was little wrong with its coverage or how much coverage it received.
The News and how it is given to the public and shown in the media has totally changed the past few years with the rise in social media and the traditional media have had to adapt and the importance put by RTE on the united story is perfect evidence of the changing ways in which the media reports stories.
A national newscaster still needs as many viewers as possible and clearly the newscaster and director of the news that day felt that the running order they chose to give the news was the most appropriate and certainly wasn't pandering to the lowest common denominator

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/04/2014 18:29:37    1580353

ormandbannerman
hill he is a full time media and commercial manager based in the capital and the county he works with is competing in the league final of course its his job to market the finals.
He is one of the GAA marketing guys.

where he is based means absoultly nothing in regard the league finals
as he is employed by dublin county board not the gaa or croke park
therefore it is not his job to market attendances for a competition run by the GAA
and you know that full well ormond
his job is to market for dublin gaa and he is doing that but the league finals are not under the
auspices of the dublin county board it cmes under the auspices of the gaa and they as you have well informed
already have a full marketing team of their own.
the spring series is a dublin gaa initiative and therefore I expect him to be fully involved in marketing that next year

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/04/2014 18:47:41    1580369

ormondbannerman
generally most people do tune in for the whole of the news and don't just wait for the sports. You cant definitively say that most who want to hear the sports news just are interested in the sport and will just turn over to RTE 1 at the time the sports news generally comes on. that's total guesswork

im sure you have somebody in the know who could inform us onthe demographics of the age group of the viewers of the
rte six one news and they would tell you the age group would certainly be over 40tys as the majority with a spike at over 60tys
now the same people would be well attributed to watching real news headlines as the main news headlines
not sport so you really believe an elderly lady would have more interest in david moyes(if she even knew who he was)
over a disater in the world?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/04/2014 18:53:42    1580371

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
I just don't see the big deal of the reporting of the story. Yes a publicly funded media outlet such as RTE has to keep an objective viewpoint but the coverage of the united story wasn't biased and there was little wrong with its coverage or how much coverage it received.
The News and how it is given to the public and shown in the media has totally changed the past few years with the rise in social media and the traditional media have had to adapt and the importance put by RTE on the united story is perfect evidence of the changing ways in which the media reports stories.
A national newscaster still needs as many viewers as possible and clearly the newscaster and director of the news that day felt that the running order they chose to give the news was the most appropriate and certainly wasn't pandering to the lowest common denominator

First of all, the issue isn't so much that it was reported, but rather the importance it was given, and I think you already knew that, so there's no need to throw that out.

Secondly, I think I, and other posters, have already illustrated why the priority of coverage given to the Moyes sacking, over actual world events that ultimately matter more, was inappropriate. Just replying that "there was little wrong with its coverage or how much coverage it received" doesn't make it so.

Thirdly, the growth of social and web based media makes it all the more important for traditional media outlets to remain objective. A persons outlook can become extremely myopic if they rely on the personalized information provided by social/web based media, traditional media should combat that, not give into it.
You say "the importance put by RTE on the united story is perfect evidence of the changing ways in which the media reports stories". I think its perfect evidence of they way our news media are letting us down by reverting to tabloid journalism, and not providing us with the stuff that matters, not giving appropriate cover to issues of substance. Why do you think the new on the national broadcaster in Britain didn't lead with the Moyes story? Because it would have been inappropriate, because public funding should pay for more than tabloid pandering. There's too much anesthetic in our media, maybe thats why we've accepted the events in our own country over the last 7 years so meekly.

Again, I (or no-one else here) is complaining about the Moyes story being reported, it was a huge sports story, the biggest of the week. But that's what it was, a SPORTS story, not something the main news should lead with. The fact that it did illustrates a problem, so this is a worthy discussion to have.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 26/04/2014 19:35:45    1580390

26/04/2014 18:47:41
hill16no1man
where he is based means absoultly nothing in regard the league finals as he is employed by dublin county board not the gaa or croke park
therefore it is not his job to market attendances for a competition run by the GAA and you know that full well ormond
his job is to market for dublin gaa and he is doing that but the league finals are not under the auspices of the dublin county board it cmes under the auspices of the gaa and they as you have well informed already have a full marketing team of their own.
the spring series is a dublin gaa initiative and therefore I expect him to be fully involved in marketing that next year He is employed by Dublin county board but are Dublin not taking part in the final erego marketing the final very much so is part of the job of the Dublin marketing/Commercial manager. His job is to open up commercial opportunities for Dublin and what better opportunity than a national final.
The GAA having their own marketing staff is immaterial when Dublin are competing and have their own full time staff who should be marketing like mad. You always see Leinsters marketing and pr staff going into overdrive for finals and they don't think that its the role of the pro12/Heineken cup marketing/commercial staff.

26/04/2014 18:53:42
hill16no1man
im sure you have somebody in the know who could inform us onthe demographics of the age group of the viewers of the
rte six one news and they would tell you the age group would certainly be over 40tys as the majority with a spike at over 60tys
now the same people would be well attributed to watching real news headlines as the main news headlines
not sport so you really believe an elderly lady would have more interest in david moyes(if she even knew who he was)
over a disater in the world? I do actually(good friend of my parents and somebody I lived with for first term of college this year works with RTE)
RTE viewers are not just the older generations. What are "real news headlines" the united story was a "real news headline" what isn't a "real news headline"

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/04/2014 20:00:35    1580417

26/04/2014 19:35:45 Marlon_JD
First of all, the issue isn't so much that it was reported, but rather the importance it was given, and I think you already knew that, so there's no need to throw that out.
Secondly, I think I, and other posters, have already illustrated why the priority of coverage given to the Moyes sacking, over actual world events that ultimately matter more, was inappropriate. Just replying that "there was little wrong with its coverage or how much coverage it received" doesn't make it so.
Thirdly, the growth of social and web based media makes it all the more important for traditional media outlets to remain objective. A persons outlook can become extremely myopic if they rely on the personalized information provided by social/web based media, traditional media should combat that, not give into it.
You say "the importance put by RTE on the united story is perfect evidence of the changing ways in which the media reports stories". I think its perfect evidence of they way our news media are letting us down by reverting to tabloid journalism, and not providing us with the stuff that matters, not giving appropriate cover to issues of substance. Why do you think the new on the national broadcaster in Britain didn't lead with the Moyes story? Because it would have been inappropriate, because public funding should pay for more than tabloid pandering. There's too much anesthetic in our media, maybe thats why we've accepted the events in our own country over the last 7 years so meekly.
Again, I (or no-one else here) is complaining about the Moyes story being reported, it was a huge sports story, the biggest of the week. But that's what it was, a SPORTS story, not something the main news should lead with. The fact that it did illustrates a problem, so this is a worthy discussion to have. And clearly the professionally trained journalists, directors, producers with years of experience clearly though otherwise than you and others here. I would trust their judgement on calls like this overs yours and mine every day of the week.
The level of coverage wasn't unappropriate. They covered a manager of one of the worlds biggest clubs in the worlds biggest sport from a city in a neighbouring country to ours that 000s of irish people support in a major way in the main headlines and then in the sports news.
Matter more to whom? Disasters like plane crash and trying to find plane etc are sad but for a large number of people the united story is more interesting to them and will keep them on RTE longer.
It isn't inappropriate to lead with story as RTE did. It clearly wasn't your preference or some others here but the newsreaders, director of the news that evening clearly felt it was
The growth of social media and web based media has meant the traditional news stations, news programmes have had to adapt their game and the bumping up of the united story to earlier in the news programme is perfect evidence of that.
Sports stories regularly can and do lead a news bulletin or are near the top especially when a significant proportion of people will have some interest in the story.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/04/2014 20:23:45    1580429

ormond

can you not understand that the dublin county board are not responsible for staging this game
where as the spring series games are home matches for dublin
run under the auspices of the dublin county board
you already pointed out that the GAA hve a marketing team
it is their job to market a national final not the teams involved

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/04/2014 20:24:40    1580430

Marlon your posts on this are excellent and get to the heart of the issue each time. However you are responding to people like Ormo who believes that we don't really have a right to question RTE editorial decisions because the people who work there know better than us mere mortals. I think everything that should be said on this matter has been said, lets see if RTE make the appointing of Uniteds next manager the main news headline or if they have seen a bit of sense from all this.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 26/04/2014 20:25:54    1580431

ormond

haha I thaught you would have somebody alright you never fail man
real news headlines you know full well they are not sport
sport has its segemant on the news

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/04/2014 20:26:12    1580433

Soma
County: UK
Posts: 236

1580431
Marlon your posts on this are excellent and get to the heart of the issue each time. However you are responding to people like Ormo who believes that we don't really have a right to question RTE editorial decisions because the people who work there know better than us mere mortals. I think everything that should be said on this matter has been said, lets see if RTE make the appointing of Uniteds next manager the main news headline or if they have seen a bit of sense from all this.

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That about sums it up ok.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 26/04/2014 20:34:53    1580444

26/04/2014 20:24:40
hill16no1man
Ormond can you not understand that the dublin county board are not responsible for staging this game where as the spring series games are home matches for Dublin run under the auspices of the dublin county board you already pointed out that the GAA hve a marketing team
it is their job to market a national final not the teams involvedJust because the Dublin county board are not the direct hosts of the game doesn't mean they don't have to market the final themselves. How thick do you have to be not to get that?
If Munster win tomorrow in the Heineken cup semi final do you think they wont market the final? Of course they will as its in their best interests for the final to be marketed as much as possible as they gain from all the additional exposure. the same can be said for Dublin and the national football league final
26/04/2014 20:25:54
Soma
Marlon your posts on this are excellent and get to the heart of the issue each time. However you are responding to people like Ormo who believes that we don't really have a right to question RTE editorial decisions because the people who work there know better than us mere mortals. I think everything that should be said on this matter has been said, lets see if RTE make the appointing of Uniteds next manager the main news headline or if they have seen a bit of sense from all this.so who is ormo?
I do believe rte editorial decisions should be questioned but in the right manner and at the right time and RTE clearly thought the united story was given the right coverage. if it was such an issue where was all the hullabaloo all across other media outlets outraged at RTEs actions. Here is the only fora ive seen where people have been getting their knickers twisted complaining about RTEs supposed poor decisions.
26/04/2014 20:26:12
hill16no1man
Ormond haha I thaught you would have somebody alright you never fail man
real news headlines you know full well they are not sport
sport has its segemant on the news that doesn't mean sports news isn't real news headlines. Sport having its own segment on the news doesn't back your point up. Sport does have its own segment on the news but that doesn't mean sports news isn't real news and that sports stories shouldn't be covered in the main headlines

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/04/2014 20:49:59    1580461