25/04/2014 18:17:49
hill16no1man
spoken by the man who lives in clare or tipp
who informed you of this nenaghs scrum halfs brother who was on the cencus committee? Nobody informed as nobody had to you are out of your mind if you think there is as many Dublin jerseys as you are implying. there simply is not Dublin jerseys in every household.
First of exclude the large number of non dubs from the total who wont have one, then all the dubs who have little to no interest in sport and then those who have little to no interest in GAA. That takes out a large number of people.
And why should it matter where I live. that is not relevant at all to this.
25/04/2014 18:20:21 hill16no1man
I agree 100% the marketing by the gaa is almost non existent
but I cannot agree that in this day and age more soccer jerseys then dublin jerseys around
just look at the sales before christmas of the new jerseys
they were completly sold out almost immediately there would definitely be as many soccer jerseys(man utd etc).
Marketing by GAA isn't non existent. Almost every day INPHO/Sportsfile are at some sort of press event with a top hurler(s)/gaelic footballer(s) promoting the GAA either directly or promoting some event and the GAA gets indirect marketing.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/04/2014 21:09:54    1580086

25/04/2014 20:33:54 Joxer
Fair play to Martin. Have seen him at a couple of Dubs games and he always gives a shout out to the Bohs as well. A genuine supporter of local sport I would say. Anyway, back on topic and how in God's name the Moyes story could made the top headline ahead of stories that include....
- the Ukraine crisis and the WW III story - updates on one of the worst ferry disasters in decades
- updates on the worst airplane disasters in living memory - update on the conditions of the greatest racing driver in history ...not withstanding...
- national interest issues such as the imminent collapse of government candidates in the up-and-coming local and European elections
- the water charge debacle - the Shatter/Garda situation
.....and so on
Still this is Ireland. Since when did we ever treat matters of real global and national concern with seriousness. Isn't that what got us into the financial mess in the first place. Somebody else will deal with it! Ferry disaster sad but relevance to Ireland...not much.
United story more relevant to more people. Schumacher... has there been a significant change to his condition? Is he still in a coma? If nothing dramatic has changed with his condition then an update isn't newsworthy.
The journalists involved clearly felt that the story was best to lead with and I think they know best.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/04/2014 21:16:23    1580087

I'm surprised that the RTE website covered the Man Utd. "story" at all. These days it seems to be mostly alternating rugby and cricket headlines. As for the (In)dependent it seems to all rugby - although on its "society" pages.

On another note I find it increasingly difficult to understand (or tolerate) the negativity of a lot of people towards the GAA. For me one of the most important institutions in Irish life. I had thought these type of post-colonial cringe-worthy servile anti-Irish attitudes were dying out but obviously not.

And as for those who are OK with calling soccer football. They mustn't have played too much real football because if they did they'd know that if you take a step backward then that's all you'll be doing. Football in Ireland is Gaelic football. End of story. If you want to lie down then go ahead but don't complain when you're stepped on.

rcarragh (Dublin) - Posts: 305 - 25/04/2014 21:19:26    1580090

Ormond, if there is only one Clare jersey left in Clare, and one Dub jersey left in Dublin, and they are surrounded by people wearing EPL jerseys, then so be it. At least we will know that there are at least one person who remembers who they are.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 25/04/2014 21:19:51    1580091

25/04/2014 21:04:29
hill16no1man
so you are running with the hare and hunting with the hound on this to suit your own story
its ok for local media to put local sport first
but you dont think national media should put national sport first
yet they are the same people they are catering for.
well for starters the half of meath is filled with a lot of dubs nowadays
ashbourne,ratoath and dunboyne have huge amount of dubs living there
then the fact that a lot of meath people in general will be watching the match as they have big interest in gaa National media outlets are completely different to local media. International events yes in a lot of cases should take precedence. National sport is totally undefined. National swimming championships are on this weekend little coverage so far....
Hill if you want to know why a certain media outlet did what they did why don't you write/email/send smoke signals or whatever you like in and ask. If it gets your panties into such a bunch why not ask and try get an answer off
25/04/2014 21:06:40
hill16no1man
you dont think many people have bbc and utv in ireland?
seriously your having a laugh sure it came in on the analog
and is on upc and sky digital packages now

25/04/2014 21:09:24
hill16no1man
come off it will you mnster rugby are playing at an almost identical time on sunday too
yet they got coverage on that bulletin
liverpool v chelsea is also on sunday at similiar time and it got coverage

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/04/2014 21:20:10    1580092

ormond

they sold out of jerseys after they came out almost striaght away
does that not imply there was huge demand for them
your not in dublin how do you know what jersey is most common?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 21:24:07    1580095

ormond

thats hardly marketing of high quality throwig 4 guys at croker which doesnt even make the news
you get a national newspaper with a small interview of each player spread over the week
marketing as in getting people to go to the match
they do barely any for that
the league final this week is another case in point
wheres the advertisment campaign?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 21:26:21    1580099

ormond

you say the ferry disaster has little relevance to us compared to man utd as main news,seriously man your deluded
but yet dont think the gaa not being on the news tonight is absolutly ok
has that league finals this weekend not got relevance either?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 21:28:06    1580101

ormondbannerman
National media outlets are completely different to local media. International events yes in a lot of cases should take precedence. National sport is totally undefined. National swimming championships are on this weekend little coverage so far....
Hill if you want to know why a certain media outlet did what they did why don't you write/email/send smoke signals or whatever you like in and ask. If it gets your panties into such a bunch why not ask and try get an answer off

no they are not completly differant
rte covers national interests first and formost on all genres exept sport nearly every day
so how does that make them completly differant to local who do the exact same with the added that they cover local sport as they should
not get my panties anything at all young ormundo
its the facts im giving you just dont want to listen to them thats all
its called a debate
easy way out is to say what you just said

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 21:32:15    1580103

Ormond. I would not say that this is a media thing but more an RTE thing. If I recall the Moyes story was not the headline story on TV3 nor was it front page on the Times or Independant. It was a poor judgement call on RTE's behalf. The station needs to get back in touch with the people. They still think that the Late Late Show is entertaining that Brendan O'Connor, Kathryn Thomas and Jennifer Maguire have talent and that viewers want to see old war horses like Twink, Linda Martin and whatever other RTE clicked Irish 'socialite' they can get their hands on wheeled out ad-nauseum. This is the same crowd who let real talent like Graham Norton slip through their fingers.

To say that RTE knows best when it comes to what the people have a geniine interest in is a joke really.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 25/04/2014 21:55:26    1580122

You are wasting your time Hillman.

Some people are blinded by their deference to Mother England. They are only a few generations away from charging out of trenches because someone who had the same accent as their landlord told them to.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 26/04/2014 09:53:46    1580151

Brilliant Joxer, absolutely brilliant,if those few sentences don't sum up the quality of broadcasting in modern Ireland then nothing will.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 26/04/2014 10:04:08    1580153

joxer

very true
also take mrs brownes boys for example
rte didnt even want to entertain it
then o carroll went to bbc with it ,they took it
lone behold rte then thaught the world of it simply because the british took it on it must be good now

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/04/2014 10:22:38    1580161

hurlingdub

i know i know I should know better haha then getting involved but as they say if you can make one person see the light

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/04/2014 10:23:29    1580162

25/04/2014 21:19:26 rcarragh
I'm surprised that the RTE website covered the Man Utd. "story" at all. These days it seems to be mostly alternating rugby and cricket headlines. As for the (In)dependent it seems to all rugby - although on its "society" pages.
On another note I find it increasingly difficult to understand (or tolerate) the negativity of a lot of people towards the GAA. For me one of the most important institutions in Irish life. I had thought these type of post-colonial cringe-worthy servile anti-Irish attitudes were dying out but obviously not.
And as for those who are OK with calling soccer football. They mustn't have played too much real football because if they did they'd know that if you take a step backward then that's all you'll be doing. Football in Ireland is Gaelic football. End of story. If you want to lie down then go ahead but don't complain when you're stepped on.At least hill tries to make good points. the above from rcarragh is laughable
The united story was a story and your "point" about RTE is so wrong its hilarious.
Who has post colonial anti Irish attitude?

25/04/2014 21:24:07
hill16no1man
ormond they sold out of jerseys after they came out almost striaght away
does that not imply there was huge demand for them
your not in dublin how do you know what jersey is most common?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/04/2014 11:47:25    1580203

25/04/2014 21:26:21
hill16no1man
ormond thats hardly marketing of high quality throwig 4 guys at croker which doesnt even make the news
you get a national newspaper with a small interview of each player spread over the week
marketing as in getting people to go to the match
they do barely any for that
the league final this week is another case in point
wheres the advertisment campaign? That is what constitutes high quality marketing. Everything doesn't have to make the news for it to be very good marketing.
You get coverage across several newspapers, mention on radio.
Marketing to get people into games there is plenty of it, ads on tv,
Why don't you email Tomas Quinn who is Commercial and Marketing manager of Dublin GAA if you think he isn't doing enough
link

25/04/2014 21:28:06
hill16no1man
ormond you say the ferry disaster has little relevance to us compared to man utd as main news,seriously man your deluded
but yet dont think the gaa not being on the news tonight is absolutly ok
has that league finals this weekend not got relevance either? How am I deluded to think that. Ferry disaster is very sad but how many people will turn news on especially to hear about it and whats going on and how many will care about united. Much more unfortunately will have more interest in the goings on with MUFC

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/04/2014 11:57:38    1580208

25/04/2014 21:55:26
Joxer
Ormond. I would not say that this is a media thing but more an RTE thing. If I recall the Moyes story was not the headline story on TV3 nor was it front page on the Times or Independant. It was a poor judgement call on RTE's behalf. The station needs to get back in touch with the people. They still think that the Late Late Show is entertaining that Brendan O'Connor, Kathryn Thomas and Jennifer Maguire have talent and that viewers want to see old war horses like Twink, Linda Martin and whatever other RTE clicked Irish 'socialite' they can get their hands on wheeled out ad-nauseum. This is the same crowd who let real talent like Graham Norton slip through their fingers.
To say that RTE knows best when it comes to what the people have a geniine interest in is a joke really. How was it a poor judgement call by RTE? They as likely put the story to such a prominent position in news for competition reasons and if by leading with it they would have kept viewers for longer and viewers wouldn't have switched to rival stations..
"Get back in touch with the people" RTE could most certainly be much better but theyre the best in Ireland and those who made the decision clearly know better than you or i.

26/04/2014 09:53:46
hurlingdub
You are wasting your time Hillman.
Some people are blinded by their deference to Mother England. They are only a few generations away from charging out of trenches because someone who had the same accent as their landlord told them to.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/04/2014 12:08:12    1580212

Ormond I would have thought that the Ukrainian story, it being of global significance and nationally would have been hugely appealing to the 100s of thousands of Eastern Europeans living here, would have received top billing. Like I say this was poor judgement by RTE and pandering to what it perceives to be it's large UK tabloid reading Irish viewership. It's a pity that the national broadcaster has come to this but we all know the people who are making the calls at the top in RTE. Like I said before RTE is out of touch and has been for a long time. As for they knowing what's best for their viewers - see my previous post on evidence to the contrary.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 26/04/2014 12:36:13    1580218

ormondbannerman

its not mossy quinns job to market the national league finals
mossy quinns job is to market dublin gaa surely you can grasp that
the gaa have marketing guys as you said yourself but where is the adds for this weeks games?
mossy quinn however im sure will be in charge of marketing the spring series next year and
I would expect to see a big differance in the marketing of it compared to the last couple of years.
he has done a good job already in the few weeks in his position
bringing toyota on board as car sponsors who have given cars for both football and hurling squads
and last week revealed that toyota will be giving 30 thousand euro to be split between
six dublin gaa clubs evenly the six clubs will be the clubs who get the most members to test drive
one of the new toyota vehicles over the next month

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/04/2014 13:11:04    1580232

ormanbannerman
How am I deluded to think that. Ferry disaster is very sad but how many people will turn news on especially to hear about it and whats going on and how many will care about united. Much more unfortunately will have more interest in the goings on with MUFC

your not using your head here
the angelus is on at six o clock
followed directly by the main news headlines
now how many of your mates who are massive english soccer supporters tune in at 6 o clock for the angelus?
most people who want to hear sports news will turn on at about 6.20 pm as they generally know sports news doesnt be at the start of a bulletin.the people who will be tuning in for the angelus the majority of them a minute later
would defo be more interested in a disaster in the world over a soccer manager

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/04/2014 13:15:55    1580234