I think a lot of you are missng the point cuchulainn35 is making here, whether that be deliberate or not. I live in the UK and from what I saw, apart from Sky News who have vested interests in all things Man Utd, the main national bulletins on ITV and BBC did NOT lead with the Moyes story, so why should Irelands national broadcaster decide to run with it as their lead story, was it a slow news day or what?

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 23/04/2014 10:34:36    1578852

I don't see anything wrong with having an interest in the English Premiership but surely it is an unhealthy obsession in this country. Think about any tourists walking around only of our major towns and cities, virtually every bar is like a tourist board advert for England - screaming this is what it is all about, this is where the excitement is, visit England!

Can it be right that the vast majority of Dubs in the Aviva this summer with shout for the team from Liverpool over the team from Dublin. It would be the same here in Cork..

The English premiership is a world wide phenomenon but that doesn't mean we should throw independent thought out the window and jump on the bandwagon without question. The Scots are a good example, many follow premiership sides but you wont find too many Celtic, Rangers or Aberdeen fans welcome an English team to their home patch and shout for them against their own side, not in a million years!

What about the 100 million that leaves out coffers every year for the English premiership, 20% of it would be enough to fund a professional soccer league here with genuine prospects of champions league qualification.

I would love to see tax breaks for pubs that show Irish sports or teams regardless of the sport be it hurling, football, soccer, rugby or whatever. A small bit of self worth and pride in our own would have to be a good thing wouldn't it?

dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 338 - 23/04/2014 10:40:38    1578859

I think that says it all Bren!!!

Then again BBC has some standards and self respect possibly. They have not yet become a broadcast version of a red top tabloid.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 23/04/2014 10:44:13    1578860

I am happy and surprised to see a lot of like minded people on here regarding this.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 10:54:07    1578863

Sure when they start their GAA coverage Sky News will go into meltdown with their lead story "James Ho Ran resigns as May Oh coach"!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 23/04/2014 11:07:16    1578876

22/04/2014 21:38:24 cuchulainn35
I didn't see the 9 o' clock news as i was just coming back from underage training, but I watched the 6.01 news and heard all bulletins today and was shocked by the coverage that Man Utd got.... the sacking or removal of a manager is a story, but does it justify it being the main point in the 6.01 news. With the many events happening both here in Ireland and abroad does our national broadcaster really need to give it so much coverage....Is English soccer that important to the average Irish man/woman and child, does the happenings in an Emglish Club merit or justify the coverage which RTE gave....
As I say this I'm concerned with RTE's GAA coverage or lack of it, Am I over-reacting or is English soccer the main concern with Joe from Tullamore, Patrick from Tuam, or Katie from Kerry...
If Jim Galvin or Mickey Harte resigned or sacked etc, would it be the main point of the RTE news, I don't think so!! You cant really compare Jim Gavin or Mickey Harte losing their position as manager of their county to David Moyes losing his job. A pastime compared to a full time job in one of the largest clubs in the worlds biggest sport. English soccer clearly is very important to average person and has been for decades. Just look at figures for those who travel each season to games. I think you are over reacting.

22/04/2014 21:57:21 Mayofc
Im not a fan of Soccer, and have little to no interest in it, but being realistic, it is massive global news, the most famous and most supported football club in the world manager being sacked does deserve considerable coverage. +1 especially as he is only 1 season into a 5 season contract and was the immediate successor to their greatest ever manager

22/04/2014 22:02:19 dahayeser
Unfortunately cuchulainn, I think it might just be the case.
Many the Sunday I walked my native city of Cork in vain looking for some watering hole to drop in to and watch one of our league games (live on TG4). English Premiership blaring from every establishment is all I got. If my luck was in I might find one place showing Cork on a tiny screen with no sound in some dark corner.
Later this summer Liverpool will come to play Dublin side Shamrock Rovers in a meaning less friendly in Dublin. Liverpool will probably send over some second rate team but the Aviva will still be thronged with 50k none the less, pretty much all of them Irish and pretty much all of them passionately shouting on the English side hoping to see them hammer their own lads. Crazy stuff, the mind boggles!! Pubs show what their customers want and clearly there is a much bigger demand for the premiership than the national league and there is nothing wrong with that.
Again don't see anything wrong with irish supporting Liverpool over Shamrock rovers considering a significant proportion players for Rovers would give and try anything to get to play with Pool and their ilk in England.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/04/2014 11:09:42    1578878

Attempting to compete with SKY news is a new low for
the 'national broadcaster'; and just another reason
not to watch it!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 23/04/2014 11:11:25    1578883

Culann
Just for the recoed, what would be wrong with that? Is that not the way things are in most other 'independent' countries? Their own cultures pervade?

That isnt independance though, think about the word - independance - you are trying to control what people like and then calling that independance... Personally, I think people should be given as much information as they want and allowed to make up their own minds, you seem to think people should be told what to like and dislike based on their own nationality and the country of origin of the particular information or topic. What does where something comes from have any relevance?That is actually quite prejudiced. English soccer is a very interesting topic. Im sure if irish soccer was able to boast the same quality etc then irish people would watch that. Would you have such an issue if man utd were irish and it were the top news story? Therein lies a distinction on this issue. Some people seem to have an issue because it is english soccer, others because it is sport being reported as news. If it is the latter then the fact that it is english doesnt really matter and that is more to do with the choices of the television station as regards what consistutes news, than where the sport is played. How about it if were italian soccer? Would that be such an issue?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/04/2014 11:11:44    1578884

23/04/2014 09:04:07
TheMaster
English football is big news in this country. 95% of youngsters follow a team, and Id hazard a guess that a high number of 20-30 somethings are on a similar figure. I dont really get this thing where people act like this is something they werent aware of, this whole 'english soccer in ireland, when did that come about?' spiel. It is on the news every day ffs, spare me the routine. +1

23/04/2014 09:30:49
shrek95
Sort of does with them being on Wall Street aswel makes it big with economics with the club being on Wall Street you are correct as decisions to remove Moyes means club valuation changes and that affects investors etc

23/04/2014 09:43:32
Culann
If I get started on this I am going to get attacked and be called backward, anti-English, closed minded, being told to grow up etc etc (all of which I don't think I am) so i'll try say as little as possible so that I don't offend anyone other than to say if thats what the Irish want well than thats what we have to get. As a nation we have become more English than the English themselves. Engish news is what is now important to us - celeb world, the British royals, English soccer, English soaps etc. etc. Its ironic that when the first English came to conquer Ireland they were described as becoming more Irish than the Irish themselves. We have not become more English than the English themselves. England and Ireland have such a knotted history there always was going to be mixing of cultures(that were very similar anyway due to geographical closeness) and I don't see why you are getting so passionate about this as this has occurred for years across many areas of life so its nothing that new

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/04/2014 11:16:02    1578888

23/04/2014 09:54:56
hurlingdub
Unfortunately you are correct Culann. GAA indeed is probably is only visible sign that we have not become completely reassimilated. Having the Queen over for the 1916 centenary will be a suitable consummation of that.
And yes, RTE's blanket coverage of Moyes was a disgrace. RTE didn't have blanket coverage of Moyes and it wasn't a disgrace. The GAA is not the only visible sign of that at all.
Having the Queen over in 2016 makes sense politically etc.

23/04/2014 10:01:47 Liamwalkinstown
Lads, Premiership football is a global phenomenon, its only in Ireland we seem to have a problem with that....?
Is that due to our past history with the Empire, and if so, do we not really need to move on lads?
For the record, i appreciate soccer, i have a gra for Everton and i am a sky sports subscriber, but it is insignficant to me when compared to GAA. But i have no issue atall with people loving soccer, English soccer, its just not that important to me.excellent post

23/04/2014 10:02:11 gilly2308
But are we all missing the point here, obviously there is a huge demand for English football in this country, otherwise would bars up and down the country fork out a small fortune for Sky Sports, in the hope of enticing customers in to watch whatever big game is on, would thousands of people go to England in their droves every week to watch their favourite team? You can be a huge GAA fan but also a huge soccer fan, Colm Cooper admitted last week that he was a huge Liverpool fan, Kieran Donaghy is a big Chelsea fan, up and down the country you have thousands of GAA players, who would avidly follow an English football team. Some dyed in the wool GAA people would have you believe that it is some sort of a crime to follow an English football team, I am a huge Liverpool fan, and I have regularly been asked on here if I was born in Liverpool, what that has got to do with anything I do not know. There is a certain mentality in this country, that would love an Ireland devoid of any outside influence, a De Valera 'dancing at the crossroads' Ireland, where only Irish culture pervades. +1 and those that look for that are the backwards people who need to open their eyes

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/04/2014 11:19:32    1578893

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I didn't see the 9 o' clock news as i was just coming back from underage training, but I watched the 6.01 news and heard all bulletins today and was shocked by the coverage that Man Utd got.... the sacking or removal of a manager is a story, but does it justify it being the main point in the 6.01 news. With the many events happening both here in Ireland and abroad does our national broadcaster really need to give it so much coverage....Is English soccer that important to the average Irish man/woman and child, does the happenings in an Emglish Club merit or justify the coverage which RTE gave....
As I say this I'm concerned with RTE's GAA coverage or lack of it, Am I over-reacting or is English soccer the main concern with Joe from Tullamore, Patrick from Tuam, or Katie from Kerry...

If Jim Galvin or Mickey Harte resigned or sacked etc, would it be the main point of the RTE news, I don't think so!!

if you taught it didn't deserve that coverage, why did you bring it up here and give it some coverage on a gaa page?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 23/04/2014 11:20:48    1578895

23/04/2014 10:12:42 hurlingdub
In how many countries would you say that Moyes being sacked was main news story Gilly?
It may surprise you to know that no other place on the planet is so anglo centric as this place.Well we have such a shared history with England/UK that of course we will be very anglo centric. Moyes would have been main story in a large number of countries just look at social media as part of proof and Moyes would have been trending world wide on twitter

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/04/2014 11:23:36    1578900

23/04/2014 10:15:47 GreenandRed
It's a big story and there's plenty of Man Utd supporters in Ireland and plenty of sports fans who are interested in it. Not just RTE, Newstalk, Today FM, Nova and 98fm, just some that had it on their news headlines. I've nothing to back this up but I think it's a commercial decision to keep the United manager story in the news, it brings in more viewers and listeners, some new that can be attracted to their channels/stations and get them some much needed advertising revenue. What annoys me is those people from the Marion Finucane school of soccer punditry texting and phoning radio stations with their thoughts.
It annoys me that the Premier League and Rugby seems to to get top billing in sports bulletins over GAA. Many times on a Monday morning after a full program of league hurling and football I'll be informed that Chelsea beat Hull and there'll be no mention at all of some great hurling and football. Talking here won't change a thing. They obviously see a better market for pushing English football.
Culann, a large part of the viewers and listeners are becoming more American I would say. Same with the English themselves, so if we're taking the trends from the English it's only trends copied from the US. Yes its a huge story and its partly commercial to keep it at the top of the news.
At least rugby in its coverage is irish teams with virtually all players irish being covered unlike the soccer where you have 000s of irish people supporting teams that often don't have 1 irish player involved with them.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/04/2014 11:25:45    1578901

GreenandRed
County: Mayo
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1578876 Sure when they start their GAA coverage Sky News will go into meltdown with their lead story "James Ho Ran resigns as May Oh coach"!

Whats even worse still is that Irish people would probably start prenouncing Horan's name as Ho ran!!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 11:31:03    1578909

Master

Culann
Just for the recoed, what would be wrong with that? Is that not the way things are in most other 'independent' countries? Their own cultures pervade?

That isnt independance though, think about the word - independance - you are trying to control what people like and then calling that independance... Personally, I think people should be given as much information as they want and allowed to make up their own minds, you seem to think people should be told what to like and dislike based on their own nationality and the country of origin of the particular information or topic. What does where something comes from have any relevance?That is actually quite prejudiced

All I did above was ask three questions of Gilly of which none have been answered as of yet. Don't qusetion what you think to be my opinion based on those three questions. At least wait until I have given one! Off the top of my head the ony opinion I think I gave until now is the one about the Irish having become more English than the English themselves. Question that if you'd like!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 11:38:53    1578915

Ormond, as Brenthered pointed out, Moyes was not even the main story on BBC!

As for the Queen, if you think her being at the commemoration of a Rising whose objectives have not been achieved makes "political sense", well I would question your understanding of what 1916 was supposed to be about.

It was also by the way, and the GAA were integral to this, supposed to be about freeing ourselves culturally from Anglo cultural domination. The fact that as dahayesar and others have said that most Dubs in the Aviva will be supporting Liverpool over Shamrock Rovers is a sad reflection on what we are as a people.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 23/04/2014 11:42:22    1578919

Ormond

We have not become more English than the English themselves. England and Ireland have such a knotted history there always was going to be mixing of cultures(that were very similar anyway due to geographical closeness)

The culture of Ireland is very different to that of England's. The culture Irish people have adopted is very English. As I said before - English soccer, English soap, English royals, we even had Irish people giving off that the British monarchs tweeted as Gaeilge 'thats not our language' etc etc. Do you not see where I am coming from.

and I don't see why you are getting so passionate about this as this has occurred for years across many areas of life so its nothing that new

I'm not getting passsionate about it. Thats why I'm relucteant to say much more on the issue - before I get labled with being anti-English, backwards, setc. setc. I said above I was going to say as little as possible about. I'm been dead honest I am not speaking apssionately about this. If thtis is what Irish people want well so be it - but I have every right to be dissappointed about it just as you have to be happy about it!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/04/2014 11:46:29    1578922

23/04/2014 11:42:22
hurlingdub
Ormond, as Brenthered pointed out, Moyes was not even the main story on BBC!
As for the Queen, if you think her being at the commemoration of a Rising whose objectives have not been achieved makes "political sense", well I would question your understanding of what 1916 was supposed to be about.
It was also by the way, and the GAA were integral to this, supposed to be about freeing ourselves culturally from Anglo cultural domination. The fact that as dahayesar and others have said that most Dubs in the Aviva will be supporting Liverpool over Shamrock Rovers is a sad reflection on what we are as a people. It makes political sense as it shows we've "moved on" as a country. The Queen and her family suffered in the decades after 1916 with IRA etc and they link themselves back to 1916 very much so.
Most dubs supporting Liverpool over Rovers isn't that big an issue especially with numbers of players with Rovers etc who would give anything to play in England etc and the numbers of players over the years who've transferred from local clubs to England to better themselves.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/04/2014 11:50:27    1578927

For the record, despite what I said earlier in this thread, and i stand by it, having it as the MAIN news story on the 6.01 news was absolutely incredible! And just plain wrong...
I genuinely believe they lead with it so to stop people switching to SSN for the hour.

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 23/04/2014 11:50:56    1578928

What a bunch of auld women. Moaning about whats on the news now. Truth be told after the long weekend it was a slowish news day. So of course a story like the Moyes one would take centre stage. It was breaking news and dealt with a multi million international company firing its manager after only 10 months. It has nothing to do with the GAA and probably not too much to do with soccer either. It was big news for 12 hours and now its moved back to the back pages. Get over it.
As for the self serving nationalistic nonsense. If you are that anti english then stop speaking and posting in english.
The xenophobia on this forum is frightening at times.

jpcampion (Laois) - Posts: 194 - 23/04/2014 12:19:43    1578940