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What's your point?

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 20/04/2014 17:45:58    1577706

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Read what I said Jackeen before you start lecturing me. I said the gurriers attach themselves to the "Dublin senior football team". Yesterday's game was an under 21 game.

what gurriers mayo had half the hill for the final last year and there was no trouble

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2014 17:54:19    1577708

kerryluck

there was many occasions in the match wer 5 steps could have been taken instead of 4 steps this was one occasion
you could say any score in the match could have been prevented
but come on steps is never one a ref is going to get spot on unless he takes double the amount

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2014 17:56:33    1577709

I haven't ever posted here, and have seen the game. Cavan can feel hard done by but I think there is a danger everything pro dubs will be clutched upon this summer. The Dubs have done a great job and are the pre eminent county in the gaa at the minute, that doesn't make everything they do wrong. They may get the rub of the green sometimes, some may feel more than most but I'm certain they will have cause to complain at some stage also. The only way we'll ever have exact ref's results will be when humans are taken out of it. Cant see that happening anytime soon.

duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 20/04/2014 18:14:07    1577721

Oh lord, my point Jackeen is that I never said there were any gurriers at the match yesterday. You seemed to form a view that I had there were.

Hill16no1man, gurrier behaviour doesn't necessarily extend to hand to hand fighting you know. The general deportment of many Dublin supporters on the hill at senior football games can frequently be quite disgraceful. Far worse and more frequent than other supporters of other counties in my opinion and I've plenty of experience of it. Suffice to say its no place for women and children.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 20/04/2014 20:25:15    1577772

Not in the slightest. I referenced your use of the word gurrier and felt you could apply it to some of cavans support yesterday. Nothing more or less. I imagine That had dublin's support reacted the way some supporters and subs from cavan did people like yourself who seem to have a gripe with dublin would be all over it! That much is evident from your posts on this matter

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 20/04/2014 20:37:44    1577780

And fyi onion breath, the hill is a place where I go ALL the time & believe it or not I come away unscathed every time. Go figure! BÁC ABÚ!!!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 20/04/2014 20:39:55    1577783

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Oh lord, my point Jackeen is that I never said there were any gurriers at the match yesterday. You seemed to form a view that I had there were.

Hill16no1man, gurrier behaviour doesn't necessarily extend to hand to hand fighting you know. The general deportment of many Dublin supporters on the hill at senior football games can frequently be quite disgraceful. Far worse and more frequent than other supporters of other counties in my opinion and I've plenty of experience of it. Suffice to say its no place for women and children.


I have been going to the hill since I was 3 years old and never seen any trouble at all.
the only slagging I seen is usualy a bit of fun like chanting get off the hill as its usualy to the 4 or 5 lads who come from another county and take part in it as abit of fun by chanting back.
you must not go often as the hill does have plenty of women
kids dont get concessions so generally familys go to the stand

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2014 20:44:21    1577787

Seriously, if the rule of 4 steps was enforced in gaelic football, there woujld be no game whatsoever. IT is impossible to run around a man without taking at least 6. Time to review this rule I think, as well as the rule about putting your toe under the ball. Skill, yes. Pointless skill? yes. It only serves to slow a player down and get surrounded by a swarm of the opposition, a part of the game that we could do without imo. The relaity is that if a player were allowed pick the ball off the ground, provided he didnt dive on it,(which could be a free against)? it would further speed the game up and move it in the direction of assertive football. We will see, I hope that when sky come in that they use their influence to change a few rules to the tastes and expectations of global audiences/ customers.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 20/04/2014 20:48:22    1577791

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why should the 4 step rule not be enforced all the time? is it not unfair that it is enforced sometimes

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 20/04/2014 21:04:29    1577803

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We will see, I hope that when sky come in that they use their influence to change a few rules to the tastes and expectations of global audiences/ customers.

You know when I first read this I baulked at the idea of letting a global corporation have influence over our ancient domestic games.

However, when you think about it you may well have a point. Hopefully with the in depth analysis expertise that Sky put into their coverage, the GAA will take much needed action to add clarity and coherency to the farcical rules and officiating.

Refs have a tough time as a result of the grey areas. Agree 100% strict re enforcing of 4 step rule. It would solve many problems The defender would know the forward is going to have to handpass solo or kick the ball in that time frame and would have a greater opportunity to legimately dispossess the opponent. Black card needs to be clarified and be for very specific infringements e.g. trip from behind, rugby tackle, blocking a run. take the discretionary aspect out of it.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 21/04/2014 14:33:04    1578046

speaking of rugby tackles!


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/10777347/Calls-for-refereeing-consistency-are-entirely-justified-but-history-tells-us-it-is-almost-impossible-to-achieve.html

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 21/04/2014 15:04:33    1578059

THE POINT IS: REFS ARE HUMAN AND MAKE MISTAKES,JUST LIKE PLAYERS. We need to get out of this messed up thinking in the GAA that the ref is always at fault. Even on the Hoganstand today, Peter Reilly is blaming the defeat on the ref and the fact the game was in Portlaoise. TAKE IN A LOOK IN THE MIRROR, START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY. Blaming the ref is always a cop out for ones own failings,like scoring one point in the last half hour of the game.

galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 21/04/2014 15:19:40    1578063

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THE POINT IS: REFS ARE HUMAN AND MAKE MISTAKES,JUST LIKE PLAYERS. We need to get out of this messed up thinking in the GAA that the ref is always at fault. Even on the Hoganstand today, Peter Reilly is blaming the defeat on the ref and the fact the game was in Portlaoise. TAKE IN A LOOK IN THE MIRROR, START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY. Blaming the ref is always a cop out for ones own failings,like scoring one point in the last half hour of the game.

STOP SHOUTING!

The point is, if the players make a mistake, they get severely punished i.e. red card or black card. If the referee makes a mistake, the players suffer, the fans suffer, and the game suffers. Does the referee suffer? No. We need to get rid of this inferiority complex of accepting bad standards and thats just the way it is. Peter Reilly is entirely justified. It doesn't matter if Cavan scored 0-01, they could still win a game by scoring a single point. Blaming our style of football is a total cop out from the real scandal and that is bad officiating.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 21/04/2014 15:33:04    1578071

Ned, The refs are volunteers, same as the players, administrators, and managers, and will make mistakes. The ref for all we know could have gone home and though "no, I got that wrong". I am a club ref, and it is a bloody hard job, and seen as you are lambasting bad standards of refereeing, can I ask have you passed the exam, or ever reffed a game? And if you are that good, where do you ref?

galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 21/04/2014 16:41:53    1578087

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THE POINT IS: REFS ARE HUMAN AND MAKE MISTAKES,JUST LIKE PLAYERS. We need to get out of this messed up thinking in the GAA that the ref is always at fault. Even on the Hoganstand today, Peter Reilly is blaming the defeat on the ref and the fact the game was in Portlaoise. TAKE IN A LOOK IN THE MIRROR, START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY. Blaming the ref is always a cop out for ones own failings,like scoring one point in the last half hour of the game.

STOP SHOUTING!

The point is, if the players make a mistake, they get severely punished i.e. red card or black card. If the referee makes a mistake, the players suffer, the fans suffer, and the game suffers. Does the referee suffer? No. We need to get rid of this inferiority complex of accepting bad standards and thats just the way it is. Peter Reilly is entirely justified. It doesn't matter if Cavan scored 0-01, they could still win a game by scoring a single point. Blaming our style of football is a total cop out from the real scandal and that is bad officiating.
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Indeed and I would extend this to umpires also. Dublin were denied a clear as day 45 with 5 mins to go when a Cavan back kneed the ball over his own end line and the umpire signalled a wide. This was clearly an attempt to keep Cavan, the underdog, in front. If Dublin had put the resulting kick over we would not be talking about the late free as that would simply have been the icing on the cake. Dublin keep getting decisions like this awarded against them... ROC yellow carded in Omagh incorrectly, ROC sent off for a perfectly good tackle later that day. Penalty awarded against Dublin when a Tyrone back dives on the ground. A blatant attempt by the officials to get Tyrone back into the game. When will the anti-Dublin decisions stop? Officials need to be properly assessed and we need to see an end to the pro underdog decisions.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 21/04/2014 17:02:25    1578095

Dublin: We're damned if we do....and we're damned if we dont!!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 21/04/2014 18:11:11    1578134

Well after the dust has settled on the weekend, can we all just take a moment to acknowledge my incredible prophetic skills and brilliant vision? :P

Seriously though, it's over a year ago since I warned you all that there was a massive crisis staring every GAA person in the face, but nobody is confronting the issue. Everything is being swept under the carpet. The tackle "rule" or lack of is making a mockery of Gaelic Football, and just as I predicted things to get worse, as indeed they have, I will make a further call and say that in 10 years Rugby and other sports will benefit hugely from this glaring deficiency.

For the love of GAA will someone please bring in the Aussie football tackle, because it is the only logical and quick fix solution to this crisis. It's easiest to police, define, and interpret by fans and referees alike, also it is effective in the game which mirrors our own the closest anywhere in the world.

RANT OVER.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 02/09/2015 20:26:17    1780907