Ned_Stormcrow

there was an incident in the middle of the park yesterday where a cavan player went down to pick the ball up
and fenton off dublin momentum carried him at speed into contact with cavan player
he placed his hands on his back,didnt push him but placed them on his back and the ref blew for free for cavan
I didnt hear too many complain of this

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2014 10:27:51    1577463

kerryluck

you could argue he took too many steps yes
but people are not arguing about steps they are blaming the ref on the awarding of the advantage rule
it wasnt steps that made cavan supporters irate be honest now
it was the fact he took the shot and missed and the ref whistled back to give the free after he missed.
I guarantee you had he stuck the ball over the bar there would be no hysteria on here or after the whistle towards the ref
or no mention of steps being used

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2014 10:31:40    1577466

Referees are inconsistent at times and they make mistakes.

The above statement has been true since 1884 and will be true in 2084.

The Refs made mistakes yesterday. Some favoured Roscommon, some favoured Cork, some favoured Dublin and yes some favoured Cavan.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 20/04/2014 10:35:06    1577467

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there was an incident in the middle of the park yesterday where a cavan player went down to pick the ball up
and fenton off dublin momentum carried him at speed into contact with cavan player
he placed his hands on his back,didnt push him but placed them on his back and the ref blew for free for cavan
I didnt hear too many complain of this

Right. What about the dublin player taking two hops as he ran down the clock? Lets micro analyse everything.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 20/04/2014 10:48:08    1577474

Ned_Stormcrow

Its a contact game but it has to be played within the rules. So you agree what the Cavan player did was not within the rules? Had he not been pulled back he could have been on the 13m line when taking the kick. TG4 has it on their website if anyone wants to look at it again. In the end of it that doesn't make any difference as the decision was the correct application of the rules.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 20/04/2014 10:51:46    1577479

There's a very strong case that the officials were instrumental in BOTH results yesterday. In the first half, with the scores at 04-03 to Cork I believe, a BLATANTLY wide shot by a Roscommon player (acknowledged by every Roscommon man around me) was given as a point. What did Roscommon win by? A point.

I'm not sure professionalism is the answer, after all soccer officials make numerous mistakes but something has to be done. The inconsistencies of referees are driving alot of us insane. I guarantee that when the championship starts with more cameras at grounds and greater scrutiny by analysts etc there will be a couple of glaring incidents and it'll be carnage.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 329 - 20/04/2014 10:52:43    1577481

Ned two times in the first half your corner forward hopped the ball twice and got away with it happens man, I promise you if this was the other way round there would not be as big a deal made out of it. I posted after the Westmeath v Dublin league game about Michael darragh McCauley getting bursted with a shoulder into the face that cut him open off a Westmeath player not one person replied to say it was a terrible challenge on here but if it was the other way round McCauley would be slatted.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 20/04/2014 10:57:31    1577485

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there was an incident in the middle of the park yesterday where a cavan player went down to pick the ball up
and fenton off dublin momentum carried him at speed into contact with cavan player
he placed his hands on his back,didnt push him but placed them on his back and the ref blew for free for cavan
I didnt hear too many complain of this

Right. What about the dublin player taking two hops as he ran down the clock? Lets micro analyse everything.

exactly thats my point your chooising one incident from a match of 70 minutes and stating the ref was in dublins favour becuase it happened at the end of the match,thats nonsense

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2014 11:01:28    1577489

exactly clondalkin
sure o carroll got his first yellow card against tyrone as a case of mistaken identity
and that incdient which mccauley actually pushed harte to the ground came about
because harte had done cooper twice while he was already on the deck
there was no call for harte to be done for his part
and no real call on here that o carroll was wronged

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2014 11:04:30    1577492

Another incident a poster said Costello put his knees into a Cavan player on the ground complete bs his knees where nowhere the Cavan player but after 3 Cavan players ran over to push Costello and slap him in the face and the ref brings the ball forward for what? Then Scully gets fouled in the corner and is repeatedly pushed by Cavan players the ref doesn't bring the ball forward but that's the way it goes sometimes.complete over reaction from people who just can't stand seeing Dublin win .

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 20/04/2014 11:20:23    1577505

Full back Davy Byrne taken out twice in 1st half.Referee saw incidents but chose ignore it.He was bad for both teams

Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 20/04/2014 11:25:08    1577513

Refereeing inconsistency. The definition and interpretation of the tackle. Zero accountability on behalf of the referees. We simply have to make referees professionals. With the increased competition from other sports, this will come back to haunt us unless
something is done.
Alright lads, I didn't see the game live but watched the full game on the TG4 player, as I was wondering what all the fuss was about? I have read all the threads in relation "the silent crisis" in the GAA and unfortunately, 9 out of 10 reactions are way over the top, don't take facts or the bigger picture into account. Almost all are based on emotion. 24 Hours later, I have come to the following conclusions:
1. People using the words like disgrace, and favouring need to get real. The ref may have made mistakes, but are any of the contributors to this topic such perfect referees? No, if they were, they would have been out there yesterday. He made some mistakes but not that many. Other sports accept referees decisions as part of the game, the same as a players missed chance and a full backs dropped ball SOME PERSPECTIVE PLEASE.
2.just because you disagree with a referees decision, does not make it wrong. The question needs to be asked, did the ref have scope within the rules to take all 3 decisions he took. The answer is yes. The referee can only ref according to the rules and then interpret them. MY ADIVCE IS GET TO SOME IS GET TO KNOW THE RULES AND HOW THEY ARE APPLIED.
3.Going professional isn't the answer, the same mistakes will be made. For god sake in rugby, even with the help of TMO's they get decisions wrong. The ref did consult his linesman on occasion and did well IMO. AGAIN GET REAL, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF ALL DECISIONS DID THE REFS GET WRONG?
4. I see the word inconsistency used allot. If you want consistency you need to get robots. Referees are human, will make mistakes and interpretation will differ from ref to ref, in the same way allot of GAA fans have differing views and emotions towards certain teams and players. AGAIN Perspective.
5. On the issue of accountability, refs are assessed at club and county level. The issue I have is that the criteria and results of these are not made public. If they were, there would be a better understanding amongst the public towards refs, not the current, let's go shout angrily at the ref if we feel he cost us the game.
6. The ref consistently let steps go throughout the game, it was the same for both sides.
7. It's not the ref responsibility to let the game flow. As the man says, it might flow more
than you'd like.
8. On the issue of if the ref blew for everything, we would have allot of stops. My guess
would be that players would adapt quickly.
9. For the Cavan men saying the ref lost them the game, you would do well to remember
than definitely numbers 8, 11 and possibly 12 could have been black carded. The reason
why Cavan lost was due to the fact you scored 1 point after the 32nd minute. Defence was
heroic, forwards needed to show more.

I am a club referee myself and the referee had a fine game. Yes, he made mistakes, but
show me a player of official who did not.

galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 20/04/2014 13:31:42    1577607

Ned_Stormcrow
o you are in favour of making GAA a non-contact sport? You do not agree that hands should be placed on opposition players in an effort to thwart them? And as a matter of fact, he was in a better position for making the shot after he broke away from the tackle, the tackle had the effect of leaving him cut inside. Watch the players reaction after he hit the shot. Tells a million stories better than you or I can deal with it. Watch his reaction.

First post so go gently.

I looked at the video again for that free at the end. The players reaction to missing the score was probably because he was unaware that he had an advantage. The referee was behind him with his hand in the air. He couldn't have seen the ref.

dubsfantom (USA) - Posts: 4 - 20/04/2014 14:47:36    1577627

galwaydublin

Well said......

Quite clear to me an awful lot of people don't know the rules of the GAA (nor how it operates) and certainly the fans baying for the ref's blood at the end of the game yesterday clearly do not understand the advantage rule. In relation to the tackle its never been clearer, the consequences never more defined, it is not perfect by any means but a lot clearer.

And aside from the topic, it that was Dublin fans behaving like that can you imagine the reaction here?

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 20/04/2014 15:09:00    1577633

Am I banned from posting anything on Sundays? It seems the MODS who work on Sundays censor my posts and don't like what I have to say about Dublin. What have I said that Billy Keane didn't in today's Indo about them?

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 20/04/2014 15:15:59    1577636

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you could argue he took too many steps yes
but people are not arguing about steps they are blaming the ref on the awarding of the advantage rule
it wasnt steps that made cavan supporters irate be honest now
it was the fact he took the shot and missed and the ref whistled back to give the free after he missed.
I guarantee you had he stuck the ball over the bar there would be no hysteria on here or after the whistle towards the ref
or no mention of steps being used

you miss the point would any of this have happened, if he had not missed the steps?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 20/04/2014 15:27:46    1577643

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Am I banned from posting anything on Sundays? It seems the MODS who work on Sundays censor my posts and don't like what I have to say about Dublin. What have I said that Billy Keane didn't in today's Indo about them?

Oh you were going to post about Dublin , this should be balanced and insightful ,, gutted admin didn't let it through .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 20/04/2014 15:28:28    1577644

Whatever about the referee's performance, it wasn't his fault that Cavan lost the game.

That had far more to do with their inability to score in the second half against a Dublin defence that bossed them completely.

The writing was on the wall for the last 15 mins & a win for Dublin was no more than they deserved.

Yes the referee wasn't great but he was a lot better than Cavan were in the last 15-20 minutes.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 20/04/2014 15:51:08    1577652

Read what I said Jackeen before you start lecturing me. I said the gurriers attach themselves to the "Dublin senior football team". Yesterday's game was an under 21 game.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 20/04/2014 17:32:57    1577696

There is utterly no point in falling back on the argument of swings and roundabouts when it comes to the enforcement of rules. It is going to end up in feelings of being cheated in the inconsistencies between refs. I think that there is a huge amount that can be done to improve things, but it will take a full 2 seasons to implement the rules to the letter of the law to get it thru to players.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 20/04/2014 17:38:04    1577702