The ref was poor today. The Mc Hugh incident, it was a black card to either the Cavan or Dublin player, either way he saw it, it was no yellow in the current climate. It was a pull by the Cavan player in fact, he should have got black, but when he judge it that young Mc Hugh fouled, then it was a black. The free at the end, that was no free no way!!! And the Cavan black card was soft too IMO.

theborderfox (Monaghan) - Posts: 138 - 19/04/2014 20:36:26    1577306

The dublin fella who won the fould against cavan definitely took 6 to 8 steps. Referee gave him a free. fooball and hurling both need proffesional referees. They should be paid and trained allowed to be proffesional in their outlook. then you would have accountablity

Fishermantom (Limerick) - Posts: 569 - 19/04/2014 20:39:13    1577311

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 12280

You might just want to check out you tube, and watch that match winning free again,,,,, disgraceful decision. You would do some crying if it had of been the other way around.

Game2Halves (Tyrone) - Posts: 265 - 19/04/2014 21:00:56    1577336

Youre doin a fair bit of whinging yourself jimbo. I stood up for Dublin in 2011 v Kerry when the general opinion was that Joe Mcquillan gave ye the victory but I wont be standing up for ye today. Youre here saying that the Cavan fans are ungracious but if ye were a bit more gracious in victory ye would acknowledge that the ref helped ye out.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 19/04/2014 21:01:06    1577337

Ref favoured Cavan more than Dublin. Just because people want the underdog to win doesn't mean they should get every decision.

The ref was inconsistent, but I think he let Cavan away with murder today.

Dublin were poor, but got over the line.

Take for example the AI semi in 2012. Nobody criticised the ref that day, although he clearly favoured Mayo as James Horan got into his head leading up to the game. So he was afraid to give Dublin a free or blow Mayo for a free!? Didn't see Galway fans, Ulster fans etc come out and comment that one sided reffing performance.

Ref got a lot wrong today, but the decision at the end was a definite free. He could have issued three black cards to Cavan boys for horrible cynical late tackles. He didn't.

But, should refs be professional.......no.

Soccer refs are paid, they make mistakes.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 19/04/2014 21:16:14    1577365

The speed of the game has hugely increased over the past 20 years, maybe a ref in each half would help

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 19/04/2014 21:50:59    1577401

JayP
County: Dublin
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Ref favoured Cavan more than Dublin. Just because people want the underdog to win doesn't mean they should get every decision.

The ref was inconsistent, but I think he let Cavan away with murder today.

Dublin were poor, but got over the line.

Take for example the AI semi in 2012. Nobody criticised the ref that day, although he clearly favoured Mayo as James Horan got into his head leading up to the game. So he was afraid to give Dublin a free or blow Mayo for a free!? Didn't see Galway fans, Ulster fans etc come out and comment that one sided reffing performance.

Ref got a lot wrong today, but the decision at the end was a definite free. He could have issued three black cards to Cavan boys for horrible cynical late tackles. He didn't.

But, should refs be professional.......no.

Soccer refs are paid, they make mistakes.

HOW MANY STEPS DID HE TAKE BEFORE HAND? DO YOU MEAN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A FREE OUT TO CAVAN?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 19/04/2014 21:53:01    1577403

The only "gurriers" on display yesterday were the Cavan supporters that took their frustration out on the ref. Get over yourself onion breath!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 20/04/2014 09:10:32    1577422

former poster

theres no point whinging about the advantage rule now probably only because its helped dublin.
people on here were calling for the same rule rugby had and now that same rule is in gaa.
the rule is in place and the ref yesterday applied it as he should have

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2014 09:42:18    1577430

Wowsers jackeen,happy Easter.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 20/04/2014 09:43:45    1577431

What an over-reaction.

The ref applied the advanatge rule correctly.

In fact only for the two last minute frees no-one would have said anything about the refs.I thought they both did well enough.

I think the fact that its Dublin also brings out some idiotic reactions about conspiracy theories all over the place etc.

Refs have improved if people would only put there other eye back.

The training and the courses and fitness tests and the assesing they go through is intense. Those who don't believe it then try and make the grade.

Some of the rubbish written about refs is stupid, like the article by Keane in the Indo yesterday mentioning 2011. Why he mentioned nowzhere that with 6 minutes to go Kerry owned the game, were 4 pts up and all over Dublin. Nope.....the ref won it for Dublin.

Some people need to think before they write.

Yesterday both refs did well. Regardless of the score!

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 20/04/2014 10:00:53    1577441

While there is an issue with the consistency of referees, a major part of the problem is most people don't seem to know the rules. While there were decisions on both sides that people could complain about in the U21 game - the decision at the end for the free was a correct application of the rules. The Dublin player was pulled back with both hands by the Cavan center back. Had he not pulled back the player he would have been far closer to the goal and an easy tap over. The advantage rule was used for the very reason it was brought in. Pulling back the player allowed the other Cavan back to get over and put pressure on the shot - to say that the advantage rule is wrong because he was able to get off his shot is ridiculous. The point is he was in a less advantageous position than he would have been had he not been pulled back.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 20/04/2014 10:03:22    1577443

The over reaction has indeed been sadly typical of some on this site. Other sites and forums have been quite telling in their reactions.

A marked difference between the Cork management, players and few supporters to the contentious decision (contentious not wrong also) at the end of their match and the childishness reaction of some of the Cavan players, managemeent and supporters.

All for the tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists such as Joncarter et al well they'd wanna seriously grow up.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 20/04/2014 10:08:14    1577445

Hill16 - It doesn't bother me that Dublin won! I'm glad one of Meath's neighbours are in the final. As for the advantage rule, I've seen it a few times now and that's the feeling I have for it. Yesterday a couple of moments probably captured everything I feel is wrong with it. I don't think it's working and there's a god chance it'll generate more controversy this season!

Witnof - I think you must be mad if you think both referees had good games. I watched both as a neutral and even outside the 50/50 calls at the end of both games, there were some appalling decisions. No point ignoring any obvious problem Witnof because some say it happened to suit Dublin. By the way Dublin were the victim of bad decisions yesterday too. Neither referee in my opinion was up to an u21 semi-final yesterday.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 20/04/2014 10:09:37    1577447

former poster

but your whinging about the ref
he made the call correctly as that is the rule
so why blame him? he didnt make the rule did he?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2014 10:18:03    1577453

If we keep this level of abuse up we will have NO referees,its hard enough to get people at grassroots level as it is and any one watching that yesterday will surely have been discouraged by what they saw. Cavan may well feel aggrieved by what they perceived to be an injustice but this is really not the way to go about it. Hopefully the GAA will review the officiating and take the appropriate measures to improve this before the cut and thrust of the championship and the first summer of the black card, god help us.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 20/04/2014 10:18:29    1577454

Hill16

1. He applied it correctly yes, I haven't said otherwise.
2. He didn't apply it consistently throughout the game.
3. He got numerous other calls wrong.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 20/04/2014 10:21:04    1577455

zinny
County: Wexford
Posts: 10

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While there is an issue with the consistency of referees, a major part of the problem is most people don't seem to know the rules. While there were decisions on both sides that people could complain about in the U21 game - the decision at the end for the free was a correct application of the rules. The Dublin player was pulled back with both hands by the Cavan center back. Had he not pulled back the player he would have been far closer to the goal and an easy tap over. The advantage rule was used for the very reason it was brought in. Pulling back the player allowed the other Cavan back to get over and put pressure on the shot - to say that the advantage rule is wrong because he was able to get off his shot is ridiculous. The point is he was in a less advantageous position than he would have been had he not been pulled back.

So you are in favour of making GAA a non-contact sport? You do not agree that hands should be placed on opposition players in an effort to thwart them? And as a matter of fact, he was in a better position for making the shot after he broke away from the tackle, the tackle had the effect of leaving him cut inside. Watch the players reaction after he hit the shot. Tells a million stories better than you or I can deal with it. Watch his reaction.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 20/04/2014 10:22:47    1577456

Former-Poster then if you think both refs were bad yesterday then no one in the country is fit to ref a match.

Did they get calls wrong....of course they did in both games.

Did they favour either side.....no.

And remember Former-Poster, even if nto publicised refs do they promoted and demoted within panels.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 20/04/2014 10:24:07    1577458

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 7379

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but your whinging about the ref
he made the call correctly as that is the rule
so why blame him? he didnt make the rule did he?

should it not have been a free out to cavan first? steps?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 20/04/2014 10:25:55    1577460