22/04/2014 17:12:25 Marlon_JD
Who physically can't do what? Go into marketing? Open an advertising agency? I'm sure there alot of good opportunities open for former pro-rugby players that aren't open to other people, if anything they have an advantage (like Jack said above). Everyone's individual case is different, it may not be something that needs to be legislated for.
They've brought in income, and they've gotten paid for that. They're professional. They get paid a decent wage, and they need to pay the appropriate amount of tax. Its great that they can ply their trade in Ireland, but ultimately what they do is not more important to the country than what nurses, emergency service providers, teachers etc do, so its important to keep perspective. I stand by what I said about tax breaks being reserved for those who need it most. I don't mean any of that as a slight against pro-rugby players, or pro sports people in general, good luck to them. But in general, we need to get over our deference for the privileged. The pro players pay the appropriate levels of tax. What they receive is 10% of tax paid in their 10 best years(income wise). I never stated they don't pay the appropriate level of tax. The government ministers who brought this in and kept it implemented for decade or so clearly know better. They are not public service providers like nurses etc so comparisons between the two are invalid

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/04/2014 17:29:23    1578652

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
The pro players pay the appropriate levels of tax. What they receive is 10% of tax paid in their 10 best years(income wise). I never stated they don't pay the appropriate level of tax.
There's little benefit to us of high earners paying an appropriate level of tax, if they end up getting back a good chunk of it. Who covers that 10 percent of tax paid back? Everyone else. Things have changed alot in the last 10 years, we can no longer afford the tax breaks that many of our wealthy benefit from. If you're a pro sports person, you've already got things pretty good, relatively. If we're going to give tax breaks, shouldn't they be reserved for lower wage earners?

The government ministers who brought this in and kept it implemented for decade or so clearly know better.
I hope that's a wind up.

They are not public service providers like nurses etc so comparisons between the two are invalid
The point of the comparison was to illustrate that maybe there are people more deserving of tax breaks than pro-sports people, and I think that's perfectly valid.

But in any case, I ultimately think tax breaks should be reserved for those in society who need it most. And I don't think professional sports people fall into that category.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 22/04/2014 19:42:19    1578726

22/04/2014 19:42:19 Marlon_JD
There's little benefit to us of high earners paying an appropriate level of tax, if they end up getting back a good chunk of it. Who covers that 10 percent of tax paid back? Everyone else. Things have changed alot in the last 10 years, we can no longer afford the tax breaks that many of our wealthy benefit from. If you're a pro sports person, you've already got things pretty good, relatively. If we're going to give tax breaks, shouldn't they be reserved for lower wage earners?
I hope that's a wind up.
The point of the comparison was to illustrate that maybe there are people more deserving of tax breaks than pro-sports people, and I think that's perfectly valid.
But in any case, I ultimately think tax breaks should be reserved for those in society who need it most. And I don't think professional sports people fall into that category. Tax breaks as in the cases of these sports people bring in benefits elsewhere. Huge multinational companies get tax breaks in Ireland so that they stay in Ireland or come to Ireland and bring valuable revenue and jobs to the country and not elsewhere and the idea is very similar with the tax break for the top sportspeople who are eligible.
These sportspeople take the rugby players eligible. Getting their tax back is like an extra years wage when they retire. It keeps them in the country playing which benefits the whole country with big European games etc where 000s of hotel rooms, meals out in restuarants result from those games.
Lower earners get BIKs in other area's and can get medical cards yada yada yada etc etc etc
How is saying the government officals(and top civil servants I should add) clearly know better a wind up? Surely if you knew better then you would be in positions of power to implement changes.
Tax breaks in most cases go to those who can benefit society and to give relief to those currently in need for help. Pro sportspeople are very much in the first category and deserve the breaks.
The vast majority of pro sports people who get this tax break are not exactly that wealthy. Limited timeframe for a career where injury any second puts an end to career and in most cases wages are not that high especially if only on a provincial contract.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/04/2014 21:56:03    1578780

gone way off topic here ladies
the sports council grants being unevenly shared is of more interest

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/04/2014 10:37:31    1578855

Sports council grants are and the amount given are proportional to project size. The FAI just put in must have outlined something big in their application. As I said before, I've no issue with Sports Council grants and how they are allocated. Kids don't only play GAA and soccer is hardly professional.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 23/04/2014 10:58:41    1578865

where is the whole idea that all the money is to go to kids?
was this a must when the money was handed over?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/04/2014 17:17:01    1579195

It's given for structural improvement, in many cases this is for development of underage. E.g. Regional development squads.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 24/04/2014 11:43:20    1579384

ah ha yes its given for the structural improvement
no where does it say must be deployed for developing underage
therfore the FAI can use this whatever way they see fit.
no guarantees at all the money will be spent on kids in fact there past history of money management matters
would lead you to think very little will be spent where its needed

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/04/2014 12:03:57    1579402

Well, the forms for these grants are very complicated. I doubt very much there aren't checks to see how and where this money is spent. Indeed could the GAA account for every cent they receive. If the FAI didn't use the money for what they outlined in their application they just wouldn't get it again. The fact they have continued to receive funding means they can justify their use of the money.

As I outlined before, as a member of my local GAA club and involvement in coaching soccer over the years, I think that it's a non issue. I'd imagine the FAI just put In a good application. I haven't seen what the funding is for, maybe on awarding these grants an outline of the projects they are given for should be disseminated to the public just to be transparent about what taxpayers cash will be spent on.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 24/04/2014 12:22:30    1579413

its just for the sporting body it gets the largest amounts but has little to show.
the stadiums is one issue
they have for so long gone without a single stadium to their own
they share the aviva but dont have a single other stadium still.
they had perfect stadium for hosting in dalymount and have let it go
year in year out they have to go through so much stages to get licences

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/04/2014 13:12:01    1579438

24/04/2014 13:12:01
hill16no1man
its just for the sporting body it gets the largest amounts but has little to show.
the stadiums is one issue
they have for so long gone without a single stadium to their own
they share the aviva but dont have a single other stadium still.
they had perfect stadium for hosting in dalymount and have let it go
year in year out they have to go through so much stages to get licences So what if they don't have stadiums.
They put more money into the actual sport if they don't have those costs.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/04/2014 21:43:00    1579711

ormond

no they dont as it means they have to try and rectify the problems every year
to bring each ground up to the minimum requirement
which in turn takes away money that could be spent on developing the game

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 14:29:14    1579872

john delaney on tv3 news stating how good ajob the new management panel is doing
that they have attended over 100 matches so far all in england scotland
it just sounds so wrong standing outside the FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION IRELAND building

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 18:08:30    1580039

25/04/2014 18:08:30
hill16no1man
john delaney on tv3 news stating how good ajob the new management panel is doing
that they have attended over 100 matches so far all in england scotland
it just sounds so wrong standing outside the FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION IRELAND building Nothing wrong with it when vast majority of players are outside the country playing at a better, higher standard.
Even if they were all playing here in Ireland most would be playing at a lower standard than they do in England/scotland

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/04/2014 21:26:11    1580097