JayP

"Grants are given to develop sports" - on the nail, the more kids playing ANY sport the better.And these grants do go towards development projects. They are also vital for the general health of the population.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 17/04/2014 21:26:30    1576577

Hill.....

I'm not going on any defensive. Like MesAmis has pointed out, soccer is played by a huge percentage of our sports playing population. The problem with Irish soccer is that it has a megaleague next door. And Irish lads and lassies have supported these clubs in many cases for generations. That sounds like tradition?

Yes the FAI could do more, but like the kid who is offered an Aussie Rules contract, the kid who is offered a Soccer contract will undoubtedly follow his heart and take that one chance he may never get away. But very few are of a high enough standard for professional football in England. That means a lot play all of their soccer on these shores. The health, social and economic benefits of funding soccer is therefore justified. What work are we doing for them? The local soccer club gets a fee from the first couple of contracts. Therefore facilities coaches should get better funding which will help soccer.

I just disagree with the nonsense of professional attached to soccer in Ireland. Its not professional at all in reality.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 17/04/2014 21:33:07    1576580

Anyway, you may be sure that Kiernan won't be bleating this time. He is a member of Shamrock Rovers ffs! South Dublin County Council gave them a free pitch after their former owners robbed them. They get about 2,000 people for big games and half as many Gardaí to make sure there is no trouble. And there always is. A blight on Dublin.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 17/04/2014 21:40:13    1576585

JayP

thats not following your heart thats following the money signs
anybody growing up playing gaa knows they arent in it for the money
if you then get persuaded at an adult age to play aussie rules because you get paid
it aint following your heart now is it?
yes there maybe an over the top over hyped league in britian but its not accesible to kids every weekend to attend them matches
the airticity league is accessable to kids to attend every weekend,thats where they need to get them interested.
take wicklow or roscommon they havent got a massive success in their county compared to dublin or mayo in gaa
yet do the people in them counties go and support wicklow or dublin, roscommon or mayo?
The FAI need to be smart and tap into this rugby have done so by devloping the provinces
connaught may not be any great shakes but you wont see people from mayo or sligo going supporting munster simply because they are better they turn out to support connaught despite being a poor team

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/04/2014 21:42:58    1576588

agreed hurlingdub
but horse racing ireland should be included in this share of the money
they are a big organisation in this country and are the best in the world at prodcuing trainers,jockeys,horses and owners

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/04/2014 21:44:49    1576589

17/04/2014 14:41:00
mod
On what basis was it decided that an organisation representing two of the most popular sports in the country gets €2.4m This means Gaelic Football gets €1.2m and Hurling gets €1.2m(Assuming an equal divide) while rugby gets almost the same as both together €2.36m and they call us the Grab All Assoc.The rugby, soccer getting huge grants for womens sport.. afaik and ladies football has separate association. that's part of reason
17/04/2014 15:37:32
brendtheredhand
Why does a professional sport like rugby get a grant at all? Why don't they invest in cycling, track and field, swimming etc. These are only part of the grant money and the money is not going anywhere near professional rugby and the provinces. Its going to IRFU for development work
17/04/2014 15:40:49
hill16no1man
why does soccer get 2.7 mill I would ask first?
sure they dont even look at the players who play in the airticity league when it comes to representing ireland Soccer gets it for development work. They do look at airtricity players for Ireland but most unfortunately are not good enough

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 17/04/2014 21:54:41    1576596

17/04/2014 16:09:11
JayP
Soccer is far from professional in this country. And rugby has a professional side and an amateur side.
Grants are given to develop sports. Obviously the FAI and IRFU have plans in place to use this do develop underage coaching structures.
Sure the Garth Athletic Association will be flush with cash this year....... Yeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwww
Let's all line dance ;-)+1.

17/04/2014 16:51:25
Marlon_JD
While I'm not saying the GAA should necessarily get more funding than the other bodies, the government is taking a pretty a la carte approach to equality. I'm no fan of the Sky deal, but if all associations are of equal importance, then why was the GAA hauled in front of an Oireachteas committee to explain selling 14 games to Sky? I don't recall the same demands being made to the FAI when rights were sold for Irish internationals to the same broadcaster (am I wrong?). The recent club rugby TV deals also don't seem to be warranting the same level of government scrutiny. The provincial rugby deals were deals made for Britain and Ireland as a whole and different examples to GAA with Sky and government got involved with Sky and rugby in the past

17/04/2014 18:17:28
hill16no1man
JayP but the money ploughed into underage soccer here is wasted as its only coaching kids to leave for england and scotland
your basically preparing kids for the english and scottish clubs to benifit from
thats a serious waste of money.
they would be better off trying to keep players in the airtricity league and promote it properly
that way you have a better chance of having kids want to play for clubs in ireland and have a carrear here instead of doing the british clubs work for them.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 17/04/2014 21:57:03    1576602

17/04/2014 18:24:25
MesAmis
Hill Investing in kids playing sport, be it soccer or rugby or GAA or whatever, is never a waste of money. +1'000'000

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 17/04/2014 21:57:56    1576603

Hill.....

I think you are missing the point. When kids leave here...yeah they know about the potential financial gains. But did they start playing soccer at 7 or 8 thinking "jasus theres money in this lads".

Like all children playing any sport, they are encouraged early on, hopefully get good at it and then aim to be the best.

They are sports development grants to give better structure to the coaching and better facilities etc.

Ps. If people arent turning up to League of Ireland games its because the product is poor. Like I said a couple of years ago, if Dublin played that brand of football Donegal did in 2011 I wouldnt fancy going to watch the games. Dublins current product is exciting to watch and we have a tradition of supporting our teams. Having played soccer all my life I never once got a visit from Bohs/Shels etc when they were contesting an FAI cup final. The teachers didnt make bohs flags to hang up around the school. The Irish soccer clubs have a lot to answer for.

But grants for sports development for soccer....Ive no issue with.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 17/04/2014 21:58:02    1576604

17/04/2014 18:42:23 JayP
Thank you MesAmis!
Sure aren't we educating thousands of kids to emigrate to foreign soils because we don't have jobs for them here Hill!?
Soccer players go to Britain as it's the next step in them making a living through sport. And if they make it and are playing at a high standard that will help OUR NATIONAL soccer team.
Plus the success rate is so marginal that most end up staying in Ireland and playing junior soccer. Hardly a waste of money, and it keeps kids off the streets who don't have an interest in GAA.
I played soccer and GAA growing up. I hate this "us or them" mentality. great post JayP

17/04/2014 19:41:12 MesAmis
The benefits of investing in any sport isn't that you help to enable and develop a top athlete. That is only the tiny smmall part of it.
It's about health and community as well as all the other positive aspects that sport can bring. +1

17/04/2014 20:20:21 hill16no1man
mesmais yes but they are competing with the british soccer assocaitions at the end of the day
if they do not make the airtricity league more attractive and a realistic goal for these kids then they will not stick around
its a simple equation
they need to change their objectives
producing kids to go off to britian does nothing for grass roots soccer at the end of the day They don't produce players for british system and clubs try to get players to stay but hard with level of coverage etc of over in England
17/04/2014 21:22:56
hill16no1man
are you the new ormond or something?
sorry didnt know the public schoolboy attitude was neccessary on a forum about gaa
you must not use any kind of phone with predicitve text
no need to be smart if you have a pint or sorry is it point to debate by all means work away but until then is it neccessary to
try be the holier than thou sort on here.
oh and by the way seen as this is an irish forum its organisation not organization less of that. no need to bring me into this.
I like you never went near a "public school". for one to attack me you are not much better as you also have holier than thou attitude

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 17/04/2014 22:02:02    1576606

AS today is Good Friday here is a fable from the bible.
A land owner asks a man lets call him Simon to work in his field for the day and gives him 100e for his help- Simon is happy with his wage to work for a full day

Its getting late in the day and the land owner offers another guy lets call him John Joe 100e to work in his field for the last few remaining hours.

Simon gets annoyed that John Joe is getting paid the same as him even though he was happy with the arrangement earlier which the land owner reminds him off!


So the moral really is that the GAA hurling and football got a nice grant and should be happy with what they got without comparing to what the rugby got!

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 18/04/2014 09:09:32    1576613

ormondbannerman

no they refuse to look at the airtricity league for players for the national team.
wes hoolahan was in his peak playing with shelbourne in his 20tys playing outstanding football
and the calls for him to be looked at went on deaf ears.
then in his 30tys he moves to england and dunphy and co only discover the guy despite him playing under their noses here
loan be hold he gets a call up in his 30tys.
the former bohs keeper murphy playing great stuff again with bohs no sign of any call up
he pens a contract with ipswich the very next day he gets a phone call from the national side

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/04/2014 10:56:24    1576650

JayP.

no its because the product goes largely unpromoted just like the national league in gaa.
the rabo league in rugby is the exact same poor but they tap into getting supporters to go.
who runs the irish soccer clubs the FAI thats exactly my point they dont use the money correctly.
they plough most of it into the national side and producing kids to play in britian but forget about the national league here in ireland.
the issue is they do not deserve more money then the other organisations as they will not use it properly
to be able to generate more income

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/04/2014 11:01:39    1576652

ormond

you know full well on other threads recently you have shown that exact attitude that this poster has
trying to pull up any spelling mistake
and even admitted you were trolling because you were bored
so show some honesty

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/04/2014 11:04:44    1576653

18/04/2014 10:56:24
hill16no1man
ormondbannerman no they refuse to look at the airtricity league for players for the national team.
wes hoolahan was in his peak playing with shelbourne in his 20tys playing outstanding football
and the calls for him to be looked at went on deaf ears.
then in his 30tys he moves to england and dunphy and co only discover the guy despite him playing under their noses here
loan be hold he gets a call up in his 30tys.
the former bohs keeper murphy playing great stuff again with bohs no sign of any call up
he pens a contract with ipswich the very next day he gets a phone call from the national side Where's the proof they refuse to look at players from airtricity league? Burden of proof is on you. 2 players isn't enough to prove anything like that
18/04/2014 11:01:39
hill16no1man
JayP. no its because the product goes largely unpromoted just like the national league in gaa.
the rabo league in rugby is the exact same poor but they tap into getting supporters to go.
who runs the irish soccer clubs the FAI thats exactly my point they dont use the money correctly.
they plough most of it into the national side and producing kids to play in britian but forget about the national league here in ireland.
the issue is they do not deserve more money then the other organisations as they will not use it properly
to be able to generate more income the pro12 is completely different to the national league in GAA. The pro12 is played the entire way through the rugby season unlike league in GAA which is played and finished before championship starts which can lead to it totally been seen as a warm up to championship.
The FAI plough so much money into national side as that's where they make their money to fund the domestic game. They don't produce players for sides in Britain and forget about national league here. If they didn't care as much as you think about league in Ireland they wouldn't have taken over the running of it a few years ago.
How are you so qualified to say the FAI doesn't use its money properly.
18/04/2014 11:04:44
hill16no1man
Ormond you know full well on other threads recently you have shown that exact attitude that this poster has
trying to pull up any spelling mistake
and even admitted you were trolling because you were bored
so show some honesty You have a very similar attitude on a lot of threads so get off your high horse

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 18/04/2014 11:21:48    1576658

ormond

its not a court of law I dont need proof
I gave you two glaring examples one only got call up in his thirtys when moved to england
the other the very next day after he signed a contract in england.
the lack of irish managers attending league of ireland matches would also show this

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/04/2014 11:34:36    1576661

the pro12 is completely different to the national league in GAA. The pro12 is played the entire way through the rugby season unlike league in GAA which is played and finished before championship starts which can lead to it totally been seen as a warm up to championship.
The FAI plough so much money into national side as that's where they make their money to fund the domestic game. They don't produce players for sides in Britain and forget about national league here. If they didn't care as much as you think about league in Ireland they wouldn't have taken over the running of it a few years ago.
How are you so qualified to say the FAI doesn't use its money properly.

first off I stated it was poor the same as the airtricity league!
they dont fund the domestic games though thats the point
what stadium outside of the aviva which they ownly part own is capable of holding any match of a high level?
they had a perfect ground in dalymount park and let it go to ruin.
they have to take over running of it its our national soccer league
what message do you send out if the national soccer body dont publically want anything to do with the national soccer league
you dont need to be a genius to figure out they dont care about the airtricty league
lack of promotion,lack of funding and no serious development strategy for the league are glaring examples

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/04/2014 11:40:09    1576663

ormond

i never pull somebody over grammar so do not accuse me of something in the wrong
I as a dig in response to the poster on this thread pointed out that not everyone gets everything correct in spelling by showing him his own mistake in response to his slating of me thats all

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/04/2014 11:41:54    1576666

question for ormondbannerman and hill16man
Are you both teachers?

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 944 - 18/04/2014 11:53:53    1576670

nope and as I stated I dont ever criticise spelling it was done to me

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/04/2014 12:01:07    1576674