MesAmis I have not answered that question because I do not really give a monkeys where Dublin play. I think there are some good points put forward for them playing elsewhere by both Dublin fans and others. Dublin are a big draw, naturally being successful and the County housing more than 1 in 6 of the population of the Island of Ireland means that they are going to be big box office where ever they go. For me the biggest thing about taking them away from Croke would be to take the show on the road and have that sense of occasion carried around the country. Regarding lobbying county boards to do something about it - I do not know what other county boards are like but I certainly would not see mine as a route to get anything constructive done.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 17/04/2014 13:01:10    1576306

Agreed MesAmis, they have no problem organising themselves to create an unfair ticket advantage in an AI final but when it comes to this the will just isn't there...

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 17/04/2014 13:24:37    1576320

TheMaster......

Dublin in Croke Park is for the good of the game!

And yet again your anti-Dublin agenda comes out!! And are you seriously saying Dublin get favourable treatment in Croke Park from refs......!?

You've said this numerous times before, utter nonsense. The GAA must think Dublin in Croke Park is for the good of the game. Do I have a problem with an AI quarter or semi in Castlebar. Of course I do.....Castlebar couldn't handle the numbers. So again, an irrelevant argument.

Refs give Dublin no favourable treatment, I refer back to AI semi in 2012, when your boys auditioned for the Irish Olympic diving team!

What you think is "for the good of the game" is an opinion. And generally you are way off the mark with your observations. Fact-less opinions guided by your dislike of all things Dublin.

If county boards want Dublin on the road, ask them to petition Croke Park on it. But there seems to be very little appetite for county boards to do this!? Strange that.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 17/04/2014 14:08:13    1576333

17/04/2014 11:48:39
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As an avid Dublin supporter for over 30 years, I can honestly say that playing outside Croke Park is something the majority of genuine Dublin fans love.

Im sure they do. However, the question remains, would they love it if it were a quarter final match to say donegal, in donegal, and they lost after a few questionable calls from the ref? How about having to do that every year? Therein lies the difference. I enjoy heading up to dublin, particularly to play dublin, there is a great atmosphere. However, that doesnt mean I should have to do that every time the two counties meet. Id ask dublin fans to take off their dublin hat for a second and consider this in terms of what is good for the game. All this rubbish about money etc, are we actually seeing any difference from all this extra money? If the game isnt going professional, then what is the requirement for all this cash? Their own wages? I would love to see some figures around what playing every game in croke park is making compared to picking a neutral venue. At what price are we selling the fairness of our game? Id imagine putting on a few concerts would more than cover the difference. I hate this idea where they value a few pound over what is a core principle in sport - fairness.

Have read this piece twice and have to say you must be the whiter than whitest of all to ever don HS , fairness mother of God , is that the best you can come up with , really fairness , you must did miss your calling in life if your not a priest , sport is Not fair , news flash tell the master , its a mirror of life its not fair , theres cheats , corrupt organisations running sport , theres bribery people taking money to throw matches , snooker , cricket , soccer , rugby had its false blood scandal , rugby league has its steroids abuse , athletics , cycling , some countries pour millions into sport others don't , the more you dig the more you find sport is not nor ever was fair , in our own backyard of GAA theres a hundred plus years of unfairness if you look closely enough , however your interested in one level of unfairness as has been noted down the years , I will give you a clue they wear blue and have a silver Sam .
It really is time you got with the real world and left that montessorri high chair of yours , Fair christ give me a break .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 17/04/2014 14:24:31    1576338

So basically we get lambasted from all sides

But when it comes to making money for local economies we're welcomed with open arms

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 17/04/2014 14:24:43    1576340

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sure was only 2 weeks ago that the opposing team were giving out that the under 21 final was not played in dublin haha
we cannot win

Incorrect again!!!! We were giving out about it being played in Portlaoise, twisting reality again I see....

not twisting anything the meath chairman accused dessie farrell of not wanting to play the match in parnell park because
dublin lost their last year and he reckoned dublin dont want to play their because its a tighter pitch!!!
you say meath were whinging because the final was played in portlaoise
yet in a post on this thread you talk about portlaoise being a good venue for dublin chmpionship matches at senior
make up your mind will you please

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/04/2014 15:24:20    1576385

So basically we get lambasted from all sides

But when it comes to making money for local economies we're welcomed with open arms

Not quite sure about that - I think it would be more about everyone getting their fair share of games to host as far as local economies are concerned and having the opportunity to host games against the bigger teams for the sense of occasion and giving people the chance to have these games in their own backyard. I am sure the people of Mullingar for example would be more excited about hosting Dublin than Longford - no disrespect to Longford.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 17/04/2014 16:11:07    1576421

Like I said: We're damned if we do and we're damned if we dont!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 17/04/2014 16:19:32    1576429

@Naysayer

I'm sure turkeys want a vote on Christmas too!

It's a numbers game unfortunately, financially driven, the GAA hierarchy want the revenue from Dublin playing in Croke Park. Fair, no, are Dublin to blame.....No.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 17/04/2014 16:46:43    1576448

nayseyer

why should the gaa care about local econmys?
its not their job to keep the country running thats the government
you dont see people calling for leinster to play rugby outside od the rds and the aviva do you?
the gaa take into account a number of factors when deciding venues
crowd capacity and logistical problems are only two of them and already you are finding it hard considering them
two factors of a ground in leinster currently capable of holding a full house outside of croke park
regardless of who plays

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/04/2014 16:48:27    1576451

Naysayer

I still think it is an important question. The County Boards have it within their power to make this happen but they're happy out with how things are for some reason......

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13708 - 17/04/2014 16:56:16    1576457

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sure was only 2 weeks ago that the opposing team were giving out that the under 21 final was not played in dublin haha
we cannot win

Incorrect again!!!! We were giving out about it being played in Portlaoise, twisting reality again I see....

not twisting anything the meath chairman accused dessie farrell of not wanting to play the match in parnell park because
dublin lost their last year and he reckoned dublin dont want to play their because its a tighter pitch!!!
you say meath were whinging because the final was played in portlaoise
yet in a post on this thread you talk about portlaoise being a good venue for dublin chmpionship matches at senior
make up your mind will you please

Yet again the usual mish mash of facts from you twisted to suit yourself, yes I questioned Portlaoise as a venue for a U21 final between two neighbours Meath & Dublin on a Wednesday night at 7pm, it was a deterrent to drawing a bigger crowd and left supporters in a difficult position to travel being midweek and at such a time as people would be rushing from work, there is a serious difference between that and a senior championship match played on a Sunday afternoon, and last I knew our chairman complained about the Dublin county board having "floodlight repairs" carried out meaning they could not toss for a venue, the issue was dragging supporters to Portlaoise on a Wednesday night, not a tight pitch. It was also stated, and slated by some here, that Meath weren't afraid to play Dublin anywhere, it was consideration for supporters at the heart of that argument

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 17/04/2014 17:34:34    1576475

Yet again the usual mish mash of facts from you twisted to suit yourself, yes I questioned Portlaoise as a venue for a U21 final between two neighbours Meath & Dublin on a Wednesday night at 7pm, it was a deterrent to drawing a bigger crowd and left supporters in a difficult position to travel being midweek and at such a time as people would be rushing from work, there is a serious difference between that and a senior championship match played on a Sunday afternoon, and last I knew our chairman complained about the Dublin county board having "floodlight repairs" carried out meaning they could not toss for a venue, the issue was dragging supporters to Portlaoise on a Wednesday night, not a tight pitch. It was also stated, and slated by some here, that Meath weren't afraid to play Dublin anywhere, it was consideration for supporters at the heart of that argument

"Dessie doesn't want Meath to play there. Longford upset them there last year and he would prefer to get them (Meath) on a wider pitch."
that was a quote of tormeys from the irish examiner ,here read it yourself if you dont believe me!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/royals-fume-at-farrell-as-leinster-final-moves-to-portlaoise-263145.html

no mish mash at all.
ye where whinging over the venue being portlaoise for supporters reasons
yet you wont consider the supporters if a championship match at senior level is played there.
last year dublin v kilkenny had 12 thousand and the town was backlogged with traffic causing mayhem for locals and supporters
getting out of portlaoise and into portlaoise.
if the ground holds 25 thousand that would be double what was their for the hurling match and double the nightmare for supporters and locals

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/04/2014 18:13:48    1576489

At the heart of this debate lies the unconsolable fact that we live on an island demographically biased towards the east coast and Dublin in particular. For reasons pertaining to history and conquest Dublin is the capital. Most if not all administrational, cultural and civic institutions have their headquarters here. The island never made an attempt at decentralisation and looks like it never will. Next Dubliners will have to apologise for the fact they happened by chance to be born in Dublin. Its not a question of fairness, its a question of chance.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 17/04/2014 19:27:16    1576524

I am not saying it is important for, or all about the local economies. I am saying that from the local economies perspective they would all like a share of the games - two different points.

My main point was that I can understand that other counties would like to host the occasion that is a home game against Dublin - if anything that is a compliment to Dublin.

There are counties out there with supporters more likely to go to see their team play against Dublin at home than they are away as they may see it as a futile trip - e.g. parents who are not overly bothered might be more inclined to take their children who are enthusiastic.

I agree that it is all about numbers and finances and I think I have been pretty clear that I am actually not pushing for change but rather trying to add a bit of perspective to the debate. Basically trying to interpret what others are saying so the megalomaniacs from the Capital can understand it.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 17/04/2014 20:39:55    1576549

In fact let me qualify that. If my own county, Antrim, were to draw Dublin in the qualifiers, be they All Ireland Champions or be they at lower ebb, no-one would give Antrim a cat in hells chance yet I guarantee that if the game were played in Casement Park that it would see the biggest turn out of Antrim supporters in a long long time.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 17/04/2014 20:53:27    1576554

naysayer

yes thats all well and good but unlike other provinces
leinster has only one ground capable of hosting at the present time
until navan is done up again its not going to happen
thats the simple translation from dublin to the rest of ireland
most people in leinster already know this
it seems to be outside the province where most cannot grasp this fact

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/04/2014 21:09:59    1576565

Fair enough hill16no1man - just got the impression that some Dubs were feeling that this was an anti-Dublin stance that was being taken.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 17/04/2014 21:20:22    1576571

nayseyer

no not at all I can see the whole idea myself
and like most dubs who were alive in 90tys enjoyed going to navan and other grounds which could take a championship match
but like I say until the grounds in leinster outside of croker are renovated its not going to be a runner
take munster for example they are the opposite
they have grounds way to big that are wasted
yet in leinster where you get bigger gates most grounds cannot cope

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/04/2014 21:33:31    1576582

Actually looking at Dublin playing in the qualifiers in 2001, 2003 and 2004 there was a good mix of home and away games (4 home, 3 away). It was only when you get to 2010 that all 3 qualifier games, against Tipperary, Armagh and Louth, were played in Croke Park.

Maybe peoples perception is more formed by recent memory.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 17/04/2014 21:37:55    1576584