Also, where is the 'where to from here' thread for cork?

TheMaster

That is a very young and inexperienced cork team,with a new manager barely in the job 4 months,calling for where is the,(where to from here thread)for cork after one defeat to the current league and all Ireland champs,in my opinion makes no sense.Cork will be very happy with the way things are going,and will learn from yesterday bigtime,same cant be said for mayo who most definitely are not learning from there mistakes,
hense the title of this thread.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 14/04/2014 10:00:32    1574752

I agree with jackthedub AOS runs out of gas , he catches a few balls and can kick a nice point but he is usually gone missing near the end of the game compare that to someone like Mdmc who never stops running the whole game and is as heavily involved at the end as he is at the start.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 14/04/2014 10:02:43    1574755

I think mayo will be in the mix for the all ireland.derry are a good outfit and will also be contenders for ulster.

cavanchamps (Cavan) - Posts: 38 - 14/04/2014 10:05:12    1574759

If Mayo had consistent forwards they could do anything
and the thing is, Mayo are so much better than 28/29 other teams that they can beat them without a top forward, Mayo could make an AI Final without having to beat any of the bigger teams and once you get to the final, on the day an Alan Freeman a COC or an Andy Moran could have one of those days and win you an AI
Mayo are contenders
No doubt

Football not as black and white as some seem to think

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 14/04/2014 10:09:09    1574762

Can't believe this thread has been allowed up, if mayo had just lost an all ireland semi final then yes you might ask where too now for mayo, but they only lost a league semi final to a Derry side who by all accounts are going hell for leather in every game, i could be wrong but did mayo not lose a league semi final last year aswell?
Mayo no doubt will be there or there abouts when the real football starts, are they good enough to win it, i don't think so but i don't think there is any outstanding team in the country at the minute bar Dublin so who knows.
Also well done derry on there victory after year's in the wilderness it appears they are back with a bang, it will be interesting to see can they overcome donegal but i'm more than happy we haven't to face them in the first round.

duke_raul (Tyrone) - Posts: 993 - 14/04/2014 10:22:44    1574769

clondalkindub
The Master you have to a bit worried after that performance against a 14 man Derry team if that was last season Mayo would have won by 10 this Craic of managers not bothered about league games is bs , Mayo were up there yesterday to win that game just like every other team was. If we play a 14 man Derry team we will win by 15 points.

Every team goes out onto the field to win. However, there is a bigger picture that needs to be considered. Mayo were without their entire first choice full back line for most of that game, and indeed the entire league. They are still experimenting in the forwards, and indeed midfield, as their substitutions suggested. Who would take keith higgins off the field if they were going all out to win a match? It was clear horan was looking to learn as much as get a result. Therefore all this guff about 'where to from here' is pretty much redundant.

Derry retreated behind the ball with 14 men, that tactic actually counteracts teams like mayo, and dublin also, who commit lots of guys forward at once. You will know all about it when you come up against a northern team in the semi finals. Furthermore, other teams dont have the squad dublin do, so they will always do better at this time of the year, but come championship, only 15 men can take the field.

Finally, you already played against derry, you didnt beat them by 15 points as I recall...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/04/2014 10:26:59    1574773

duke_raul, this thread is about wishful thinking. The guys pushing it most likely didnt fancy mayo beforehand anyway, so it kind of defeats the purpose. I genuinely dont care that we didnt make the final, considering we have to start early and in NY no less, we didnt need another big game against dublin. We already gave those lads enough to think about when we blitzed their lauded kickout system in the league. We have things to work on and we can now go and do that, away from the media spotlight. I hope this places us firmly in the long grass, where we are most dangerous.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/04/2014 10:35:45    1574779

Its got to the stage now where every Mayo defeat in blown up and over analysed with everyone loosing their minds. Well done Derry.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 14/04/2014 10:36:56    1574780

I have to agree with the Master, how much league football does a team actually need? Its all about preparation for the championship, as long as the managers questions have been answered, tactics have been devised and players have had a chance to show there abilities then thats all that matters. Im sure Horan knows exactly what he needs to be focusing on, another big game in croker would have had no real benefit to Mayo.

Game2Halves (Tyrone) - Posts: 265 - 14/04/2014 10:42:21    1574785

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duke_raul, this thread is about wishful thinking. The guys pushing it most likely didnt fancy mayo beforehand anyway, so it kind of defeats the purpose. I genuinely dont care that we didnt make the final, considering we have to start early and in NY no less, we didnt need another big game against dublin. We already gave those lads enough to think about when we blitzed their lauded kickout system in the league. We have things to work on and we can now go and do that, away from the media spotlight. I hope this places us firmly in the long grass, where we are most dangerous.


Not buying that one man. To me thats a cop out attitude. At this moment in time the league would be far more valuable to Mayo than the Connacht championship. Which, out of interest would you prefer? It is undoubtedly the case, that a league title would have far more of a morale boosting effect on this Mayo team than another provincial title where they roll over every other team due to poor standards.

"We didn't need another big game against Dublin"? If you have serious designs on an AI title, then I very much doubt this is the attitude to adopt. Would the Dubs share a similar view? Doubtful.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 14/04/2014 10:56:37    1574791

Mayo have knocked out the last 3 reigning All Ireland Champions, Cork in 2011, Dublin in 2012 and Donegal in 2013. They have been in the last 2 All Ireland Finals. I think people are been very harsh on them. Yes they lost yesterday but it was still only the league, All Irelands are not won in April!

sportsfan14 (USA) - Posts: 281 - 14/04/2014 11:07:19    1574799

I would take a flat performance in April any year.. There is time to put it right.. Mayo will be in the mix

unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1222 - 14/04/2014 11:16:24    1574809

Ned_Stormcrow
Not buying that one man. To me thats a cop out attitude. At this moment in time the league would be far more valuable to Mayo than the Connacht championship. Which, out of interest would you prefer? It is undoubtedly the case, that a league title would have far more of a morale boosting effect on this Mayo team than another provincial title where they roll over every other team due to poor standards.

You can buy what you like. What I said is what I honestly believe. What value is winning a league, for a team who are going for their third AI final in a row and are the first team out in the championship? Another big shootout with dublin that isnt really for anything worthwhile? What purpose does that serve? We arent playing well so best to go away and work on things, to get a bit of form and come again. As for a morale boost? How often do the league winners go on to win sam? A handful of times over the last number of years? What good is that? If we won the league and then lost a final it would only add fuel to the flames to the idle chat, the likes of which you are presenting here. 'Cant win sam' etc etc


"We didn't need another big game against Dublin"? If you have serious designs on an AI title, then I very much doubt this is the attitude to adopt. Would the Dubs share a similar view? Doubtful.

I disagree. How often have we heard the phrase, 'nothing is won in april' down the years? It is about coming good a the right time, not all the time, and it always has been. Playing one of the form teams in the country, when you are out of form, is probably the worst thing you can do. If the dubs were in our position I have no doubt they would have rathered go out with a wimper to derry than a bang in the final against mayo. Factor in that there was a few lessons to be learned in that game, and the fact that there is still a lot of players to come back, and mayo arent in all that bad of a position. But keep writing us off, that is when we perform to our best.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/04/2014 12:17:39    1574852

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Not buying that one man. To me thats a cop out attitude. At this moment in time the league would be far more valuable to Mayo than the Connacht championship. Which, out of interest would you prefer? It is undoubtedly the case, that a league title would have far more of a morale boosting effect on this Mayo team than another provincial title where they roll over every other team due to poor standards.

You can buy what you like. What I said is what I honestly believe. What value is winning a league, for a team who are going for their third AI final in a row and are the first team out in the championship? Another big shootout with dublin that isnt really for anything worthwhile? What purpose does that serve? We arent playing well so best to go away and work on things, to get a bit of form and come again. As for a morale boost? How often do the league winners go on to win sam? A handful of times over the last number of years? What good is that? If we won the league and then lost a final it would only add fuel to the flames to the idle chat, the likes of which you are presenting here. 'Cant win sam' etc etc


"We didn't need another big game against Dublin"? If you have serious designs on an AI title, then I very much doubt this is the attitude to adopt. Would the Dubs share a similar view? Doubtful.

I disagree. How often have we heard the phrase, 'nothing is won in april' down the years? It is about coming good a the right time, not all the time, and it always has been. Playing one of the form teams in the country, when you are out of form, is probably the worst thing you can do. If the dubs were in our position I have no doubt they would have rathered go out with a wimper to derry than a bang in the final against mayo. Factor in that there was a few lessons to be learned in that game, and the fact that there is still a lot of players to come back, and mayo arent in all that bad of a position. But keep writing us off, that is when we perform to our best.

But your best has not been good enough,winning a league title would do wonders for a team like mayo,who lets be honest really need a boost.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 14/04/2014 12:46:20    1574877

superbluedub, we arent playing at our best though, so realistically, what purpose would it serve? We will be in august and september though - which is a far better time to be producing your best than april...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/04/2014 12:53:49    1574887

What good is a League won in April in an All Ireland quarter final in August? More hype than you can imagine.

We don't need more scoring forwards, we have scoring forwards,, we need players who are decisive and kick the vital scores in the closing minutes rather than kicking Hollywood points in the first half and Bollywood wides in the second half. We need to work on ways to close out games from winning positions and I have to say Ger Cafferkey needs to up his aggression and stay closer to the square he's meant to patrol. It might be my old-fashioned view of a fullback but he wanders around too much. Whether or not his injury has him out too long Horan should give an alternative No. 3 a chance. No-one will agree with me on this !

Horan got the lads to peak physically fairly well the past 3 years. He also needs them to peak mentally.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 14/04/2014 12:59:08    1574891

Mayo lost because they weren't good enough. I seriously doubt Horan's team talk was "right boys, lets lose this semi final because we don't wanna play Dublin". That is nonsense. TheMaster is coming out with amazing stuff here. What value is playing Dublin in a League Final.... Its silverware, morale boosting and you are getting one over on your closest rivals. A psychological boost.

Your argument is utter tripe that Mayo don't get any value from playing a league final.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 14/04/2014 12:59:51    1574894

Mayo lost a league semi final..

No need for the over-reaction

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 14/04/2014 13:01:25    1574896

Derry were great yesterday and are contenders for big honours this year. Mayo did not play as a team yesterday and showed signs of fatigue. Mind you, the slow build up in Connacht will suit them to progress to the quarters in August. Pressure on Horan as they will give him the boot if they fall short this year although he should be kept imo.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1670 - 14/04/2014 13:08:51    1574903

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Mayo lost a league semi final..

No need for the over-reaction


Most sensible post I've seen this morning....

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 14/04/2014 13:11:39    1574905