Ormondbannerman, 'tis very strange that Cork provide twice as many players to the Munster rugby panel as the 'home of Irish rugby.' I have no doubt that there are all sorts of reasons why Cork rugby has been (and it seems still is) stronger than Limerick rugby. Population and wealth of schools might well be two of them. But stronger it is, and that's why the 'home of Irish rugby' stands on rather shakey ground. And I strongly suspect that South County Dublin is stronger than either of those areas.

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 16/04/2014 19:35:55    1576134

Im not being a pedantic pat rebel but why mention football on a west limerick hurling thread. Granted it seems that rugby has taken over but where did u get football from? Are u bragging that Cork r beating a county who can even get fans to watch football never mind get kids to play it. If so work away it wont bother too many of us.

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 16/04/2014 19:46:29    1576137

Football has been mentioned plenty of times in this thread before I commented about it. Just thought it's worth mentioning that maybe West Limerick isn't taking football as seriously as some people have been saying (not at underage anyway). If they are then they shouldn't be getting those hammerings off anyone (the fact that's cork is irrelevant to me, i'd say the same if they were playing Kerry) .

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 16/04/2014 20:00:16    1576144

Rebelcork, football is being slowly strangled in Limerick. Lack of resources for underage development squads, elimination of dual players etc. We have failed completely to build on the progress made at the start of the 2000s.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 16/04/2014 20:40:25    1576152

I just think there is just no interest. Last years minors had a lot of prep work done. There was a lot of money spent in them and they lost to Waterford who had had 2 or 3 training sessions apparently

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 16/04/2014 20:47:36    1576156

16/04/2014 19:35:55
Culchie
Ormondbannerman, 'tis very strange that Cork provide twice as many players to the Munster rugby panel as the 'home of Irish rugby.' I have no doubt that there are all sorts of reasons why Cork rugby has been (and it seems still is) stronger than Limerick rugby. Population and wealth of schools might well be two of them. But stronger it is, and that's why the 'home of Irish rugby' stands on rather shakey ground. And I strongly suspect that South County Dublin is stronger than either of those areas. Cork has players concentrated in 2 big schools and 3/4 big clubs while in Limerick players are spread out more. Limerick rugby has always, for whatever reason, never had the most physically big players(and I mean small) and they've lost out to players as skilled as them but physically able to cope better.
"Home of irish rugby" doesn't stand on rather shaky ground when in Limerick its a game for everyone and there is clubs everywhere and they're doing quite well even if not at senior level.
Limerick is home of rugby ahead of South Dublin for whole variety of reasons..

16/04/2014 20:47:36
disillusiondfan
I just think there is just no interest. Last years minors had a lot of prep work done. There was a lot of money spent in them and they lost to Waterford who had had 2 or 3 training sessions apparently I don't know otherwise but I can imagine that's a load of bulls**t about Waterford having that little work done

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/04/2014 21:47:48    1576186

DF, talk to anybody who has been involved in underage football development squads for the past few years. They'll tell you how badly the young lads are treated in comparison to their hurling counterparts. Players get the message very quickly. The last real attempt at equitable underage development was probably in the early 1990s - that lead to the the U21 all-Ireland in 2000. It has been downhill since then.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 16/04/2014 21:53:31    1576189

Culchie When the second last British and Irish Lions panel was picked there were 5 Limerick men selected out of the entire panel of just 42 with 12 Irish players included. I dont think we need say anymore about where the where 'The Capital of Irish Rugby' is

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4340 - 17/04/2014 10:04:22    1576219

Ormonde u don't know otherwise but u call it bull*****? My source is limerick thread from 2013. On guy posted that w ford had only had one training session and another refuted that saying they had played a challenge game or 2 as well. Now to call anything bull**** is excessive but it is doubly excessive when u don't know!!!

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 17/04/2014 11:09:09    1576250

Correct Footballfirst Lifting the Treaty has helped underage hurling and damaged underage football probably beyond repair. If Limerick had any interest in promoting both games then both codes would be run under the same structures. The county bord and bord na nog have no input into the county football development squads and there is zero cooperation between the hurling and football management teams with the result that players cannot play both codes. If anyone wants to check about money invested in different panels you will find that more money has been spent on the minor hurling panel in the last 2 years than the total spent on all the football panels from under 14 to minor. You could probably add in the under 21s there too. I am from a hurling club but we have had 1 or 2 players involved in county football squads and the attitude to football from top level is close to apartheid.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 944 - 17/04/2014 11:46:41    1576262

Not looking for an argument here but is that not the same in every county. Compare money spent on underage football in Kerry compared to hurling for example or vice verce in W ford kk or Clare.

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 17/04/2014 12:13:34    1576276

Waterford and Clare have all had dual players at minor level for the last few years which made them more competitive in football. I only made the point about the amount of money being spent because a poster incorrectly stated that a lot of money was invested in the minor football panel when in fact it was only a fraction of the budget for the minor hurlers. I see that Cork have 4 dual players at minor level this year but Limerick have none.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 944 - 17/04/2014 12:52:39    1576304

There was a lot of money spent in relation to what Waterford spent and yet we couldn't beat them.

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 17/04/2014 14:30:10    1576342

If Limerick want to be good at Gaelic football they need the city schools that are not hurling to promote it. Limerick City has some of he best junior soccer in the country, Fairview, Pike, Balla, The Boro etc. Not to sound ignorant but if you an play soccer to a good level you will have the skills necessary to play gaelic football if trained from a young age. I think it is Limericks only hope of being competitive at football. The problem is you have soccer, hurling and rugby to contend with and in truth most Limerick GAA people would choose hurling over football.

Hoover78 (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 17/04/2014 14:38:36    1576347

Ormondbannerman and Oldtour, The point I'm making (for the last time) is that I suspect (in fairness I don't know) that Cork rugby is/was traditionally stronger than Limerick rugby, and that 'the home of Irish rugby' was a marketing tool used by the IRFU in order to locate their game in a city where other sports were less popular than they were in Cork. I believe that I have produced a few stats that would seem to indicate that. In return, Ormond has produced a load of waffle, and Oldtour has produced an interesting statistic of his own which is certainly contrary to my argument, but hardly disproves it.

If either of you want to prove me wrong for once and for all through, I submit that you should do the following:

Give me any verifiable reference to Limerick being the home of Irish rugby, taken from any national publication (not produced by the IRFU) prior to 1980.

Prove that more Limerick men have played for Ireland/Munster than Cork men, over the last 60 years.

I think I've already established (I'm going by your inability to disprove) that Cork clubs and schools have been stronger over a longer period of time.

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 17/04/2014 18:57:56    1576510

hoover78

not true at all about having soccer skills being able for gaelic football
not in dublin anyway as soccer players are clearly identifiable on gaa pitch and usually try to hold the ball too long and get easily
out muscled

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/04/2014 19:20:59    1576519

Fair enough Hillman, just a few lads I know like Eoin Keating were excellent soccer players also. I would have though that it would be an advantage. Looking for any angle in truth Hillman, I think the truth is we don't have the numbers.

Hoover78 (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 17/04/2014 21:33:07    1576581

A big problem for football was the brand of football Limerick have played over the last 10 years which has taken over club football as well in limerick which involves countless handpasses , retaining the ball with most players afraid to kick the ball etc which is horrible to watch and has turned so many away from football...loads of traditional limerick football supporters have given up on whats masquerading as gaelic football in limerick and unless limerick football is played in a more positive attacking spirit things are only going to get worse..

hurler32 (Limerick) - Posts: 867 - 18/04/2014 08:59:02    1576612

17/04/2014 18:57:56 Culchie
Ormondbannerman and Oldtour, The point I'm making (for the last time) is that I suspect (in fairness I don't know) that Cork rugby is/was traditionally stronger than Limerick rugby, and that 'the home of Irish rugby' was a marketing tool used by the IRFU in order to locate their game in a city where other sports were less popular than they were in Cork. I believe that I have produced a few stats that would seem to indicate that. In return, Ormond has produced a load of waffle, and Oldtour has produced an interesting statistic of his own which is certainly contrary to my argument, but hardly disproves it.
If either of you want to prove me wrong for once and for all through, I submit that you should do the following:
Give me any verifiable reference to Limerick being the home of Irish rugby, taken from any national publication (not produced by the IRFU) prior to 1980. Prove that more Limerick men have played for Ireland/Munster than Cork men, over the last 60 years.
I think I've already established (I'm going by your inability to disprove) that Cork clubs and schools have been stronger over a longer period of time.Cork men over years would have been on irish sides more due to politics. In old days Munster had 1 selector on irish side compared to Ulster and Leinsters 2 and generally the selector was from Cork
Limerick being stronger is shown by AIL. The numbers of clubs at top. Cork has so few schools at top level and same with clubs. Limerick is well ahead of Cork. Look at Munster Senior Cup most successful club by far is Limerick. Game played by all in Limerick and not dominated at underage by 2 feee paying schools like in Cork.
what would you define as verifiable source?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 18/04/2014 12:05:32    1576678

If West Limerick is a football area, and it is, why should it be turned into a hurling area? Because the rest of the county is better at hurling? Why not tell East Limerick to take up football instead, how about that?

Play the code you want to play. I personally would like to see the City being more involved in at least one of the two codes. Yes, I would prefer if the whole county played hurling and then we'd have a much better chance of winning All-Irelands, but things are the way they are, and as a fan of both codes, it's wrong to suggest that West Limerick needs to follow suit. Although considering the brand of football that's played there, they might become disillusioned and finally go out and by a hurley! Absolute muck!

Treaty_Exile (Limerick) - Posts: 386 - 18/04/2014 14:10:48    1576726