Lol, so Meath stopped playing and were nearly overrun at the end, that's some gooooood preparation :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 14/07/2014 20:13:01    1619319

Meath didn't stop playing. They got complacent.
12 point up they took there foot off the gas. I've seen it happen time and again look at Leinster final of 12 Dublin had Meath dead and buried after 2 goals just before half time Meath didn't really start to play until 2 half when game had just gone and Dublin were happy they'd win. In injury time we had a shot to draw match. And from a Meath view I'll never forget been 10 points up cruising to victory against Wexford made loads of subs to give them run out and ended up getting beat.
It happens in games it can be very hard to remain focused when you dominating game , but its even harder to get that focus back if they start coming at you all of a sudden.
Kildare are not a bad team and would have at least one ulster title if they played in it , there demolition of Down proves this. The only question it leaves open is how good are Meath? That will be answered Sunday.
Hon the Royal.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/07/2014 09:18:13    1619430

Meath didn't stop playing. They got complacent.
12 point up they took there foot off the gas. I've seen it happen time and again look at Leinster final of 12 Dublin had Meath dead and buried after 2 goals just before half time Meath didn't really start to play until 2 half when game had just gone and Dublin were happy they'd win. In injury time we had a shot to draw match. And from a Meath view I'll never forget been 10 points up cruising to victory against Wexford made loads of subs to give them run out and ended up getting beat.
It happens in games it can be very hard to remain focused when you dominating game , but its even harder to get that focus back if they start coming at you all of a sudden.
Kildare are not a bad team and would have at least one ulster title if they played in it , there demolition of Down proves this. The only question it leaves open is how good are Meath? That will be answered Sunday.
Hon the Royal.

Kildare had the chance to beat Ulster opposition in 2009 v Tyrone, 2010 v Down in major matches but did not. Hard to see how they would have won three/four times in one year in Ulster during the last 15 years. Tyrone beat Down by a considerable margin as well this year in the Ulster Championship but went out the next round.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 15/07/2014 10:17:22    1619453

Meath/Kildare/Tyrone.... what's this got to do with Cavan being useless :)

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 15/07/2014 10:22:56    1619459

I fail to see how Kildare beating Down shows that they would have won at least one Ulster. How many Ulsters have Down won recently? Awful logic.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 15/07/2014 10:37:21    1619467

Byanthon
County: Tyrone
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You forgot Kildare v Donegal 2011

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 15/07/2014 10:40:49    1619474

So on Sunday if Meath are in the lead can we expect them to stop playing again and start preparing for the back door team. I myself think that if Kildare had :::::
Played anything in the first half
The manager had made changes early on (put back a sweeper)
Took their goal chances
Then Kildare would have won the game.

As for Cavan , a management change might be the right decission. They want to change their game plan a little especially their attacking ideas.
Would P Canavan be the man ???? Has done it all on the playing field. What I would say is :::At present Cavan are in a low place , it has to be upwards from here. I would not be suprised if they get a good run. In the championship next year. At present take out Monaghan/Donegal and it would leave you with a lot of teams with very little between them

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 15/07/2014 10:52:32    1619482

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 6070

1619430 Meath didn't stop playing. They got complacent.
12 point up they took there foot off the gas. I've seen it happen time and again look at Leinster final of 12 Dublin had Meath dead and buried after 2 goals just before half time Meath didn't really start to play until 2 half when game had just gone and Dublin were happy they'd win. In injury time we had a shot to draw match. And from a Meath view I'll never forget been 10 points up cruising to victory against Wexford made loads of subs to give them run out and ended up getting beat.
It happens in games it can be very hard to remain focused when you dominating game , but its even harder to get that focus back if they start coming at you all of a sudden.
Kildare are not a bad team and would have at least one ulster title if they played in it , there demolition of Down proves this. The only question it leaves open is how good are Meath? That will be answered Sunday.
Hon the Royal.

They are a long, long way behind Monaghan.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 15/07/2014 12:14:38    1619555

I see Rd has hijacked another post on a completely different topic and people keep falling for it. Anywho, I for one am very disappointed for Cavan and the great supporters they have with their performances this year. Only saw the highlights for the match with the Rossies and it wasn't pretty. Too many players missing and a tactical system that has been rumbled, fact that it was the 3rd time this year against the Rossies probably didn't help. I'm sure Cavan people are very hurt by what they witnessed. How do they progress from this is for Cavan people to decide. I believe Terry still has something to offer but probably needs someone else there with him to work on the tactical end of things.
Best of luck for the future!

moylagh (Meath) - Posts: 484 - 15/07/2014 12:21:17    1619558

"The Dept of Environment should send every available man & woman to Meath because there has to be something in the water, there just has to be!!"
Very witty Muckross.
Now to Cavan. Having won four Ulster U21 titles surely Cavan have some potential. Monaghan haven't had any recent underage success yet they are Ulster champions and have reached the Ulster final again. As a matter of interest when did Monaghan last win either minor or U21 in Ulster? How are they so far ahead of Cavan at senior level without any recent underage success?

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 15/07/2014 13:55:42    1619622

Goalpost

And it's lucky for Meath hat they are in Leinster and not in Ulster where teams like Monaghan play. Given that the last three competitive games have seen Monaghan slaughter Meath by a cumulative score of 29 points no Meath man can afford to laugh at Ulster teams. Who knocked Meath out last year ? Oh yea Tyrone. Let's recap on those three games between Meath and Monaghan shall we ? Last season Div 3 Monaghan 1-18 Meath 2-03, last seasons Div 3 Final Monaghan 2-16 Meath 3-08. This year Div 2 Monaghan 0-20 Meath 0-08. That's a cumulative score of Monaghan 3-54 Meath 5-19. Enough said. Oh and by the way Down were in an All-Ireland Final 4 years ago where they lost by a point. Meath's last All Ireland final appearance was in 2001 where Galway dismantled them 0-17 to 0-08. And I also have very painful memories of what Tyrone did to my own county this year. Before you laugh at Down look at your own county first.

Why are you referring to the league? If we take the league as a good measurement, that means Derry are the second best team in Ireland. Ye, good logic there. Meath are a team for Croke Park. Good work there adding up the scores, I'm sure you could do something with Derry's league results to show me how good they are? Tyrone were lucky to beat us last year, only for Sean Cavanagh and co rugby tackles we would have bet them. Ulster teams are highly over rated and I'd be surprised if there was more than one Ulster team made it to the quarter finals.

Maestro (Meath) - Posts: 569 - 15/07/2014 14:34:16    1619654

lilywhite


they won last year's Ulster minor title.

Still not in any way related to their current success tho as none of those players are established seniors yet.

What Monaghan have managed to do is keep their core group of players together over a number of seasons. Continuity has begun to pay off for them.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 15/07/2014 15:00:25    1619672

Lilywhite, Monaghan are the Ulster Minor Champions!!!

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 15/07/2014 15:03:52    1619675

Goalpost

And it's lucky for Meath hat they are in Leinster and not in Ulster where teams like Monaghan play. Given that the last three competitive games have seen Monaghan slaughter Meath by a cumulative score of 29 points no Meath man can afford to laugh at Ulster teams. Who knocked Meath out last year ? Oh yea Tyrone. Let's recap on those three games between Meath and Monaghan shall we ? Last season Div 3 Monaghan 1-18 Meath 2-03, last seasons Div 3 Final Monaghan 2-16 Meath 3-08. This year Div 2 Monaghan 0-20 Meath 0-08. That's a cumulative score of Monaghan 3-54 Meath 5-19. Enough said. Oh and by the way Down were in an All-Ireland Final 4 years ago where they lost by a point. Meath's last All Ireland final appearance was in 2001 where Galway dismantled them 0-17 to 0-08. And I also have very painful memories of what Tyrone did to my own county this year. Before you laugh at Down look at your own county first.

Why are you referring to the league? If we take the league as a good measurement, that means Derry are the second best team in Ireland. Ye, good logic there. Meath are a team for Croke Park. Good work there adding up the scores, I'm sure you could do something with Derry's league results to show me how good they are? Tyrone were lucky to beat us last year, only for Sean Cavanagh and co rugby tackles we would have bet them. Ulster teams are highly over rated and I'd be surprised if there was more than one Ulster team made it to the quarter finals.

go back and read what i actually wrote there maestro. i think you are getting somewhat confused. However your response just clarifies to me what i actually said that you actually dont know what you are talking about.

goalpost (Armagh) - Posts: 215 - 15/07/2014 15:17:26    1619688

Thanks for that, cavanman47 and cavan97.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 15/07/2014 16:06:51    1619728

Maestro
County: Meath
Posts: 310

1619654 Goalpost

And it's lucky for Meath hat they are in Leinster and not in Ulster where teams like Monaghan play. Given that the last three competitive games have seen Monaghan slaughter Meath by a cumulative score of 29 points no Meath man can afford to laugh at Ulster teams. Who knocked Meath out last year ? Oh yea Tyrone. Let's recap on those three games between Meath and Monaghan shall we ? Last season Div 3 Monaghan 1-18 Meath 2-03, last seasons Div 3 Final Monaghan 2-16 Meath 3-08. This year Div 2 Monaghan 0-20 Meath 0-08. That's a cumulative score of Monaghan 3-54 Meath 5-19. Enough said. Oh and by the way Down were in an All-Ireland Final 4 years ago where they lost by a point. Meath's last All Ireland final appearance was in 2001 where Galway dismantled them 0-17 to 0-08. And I also have very painful memories of what Tyrone did to my own county this year. Before you laugh at Down look at your own county first.

Why are you referring to the league? If we take the league as a good measurement, that means Derry are the second best team in Ireland. Ye, good logic there. Meath are a team for Croke Park. Good work there adding up the scores, I'm sure you could do something with Derry's league results to show me how good they are? Tyrone were lucky to beat us last year, only for Sean Cavanagh and co rugby tackles we would have bet them. Ulster teams are highly over rated and I'd be surprised if there was more than one Ulster team made it to the quarter finals.

Eh Geography lesson. Meath are in Leinster and Monaghan are in Ulster. That's why I am referring to the league. Very convenient for you to dismiss three hammerings on the basis of Meath being a "Croke Park team". "Croke Park team" my a**e.Meath are an average division two team at best. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Derry and all to do with the recent competitive meetings between two teams one of which is significantly better than the other. Tyrone were not lucky to beat Meath last year. They were the better outfit. I agree there were rugby tackles but they weren't the difference between the two teams. Maybe Ulster teams are over rated but there are at least two who are way ahead of Meath (Monaghan and Donegal) and there are two more who are better than Meath (Armagh and Tyrone). As for only one Ulster team making the qualifiers we'll just have to wait and see.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 15/07/2014 21:15:13    1619989

Ahh greengrass a not to distant history lesson for you. Meath drew with Donegal in Donegal this year. You failed to mention that.
As for Cavan and my original point. Was the ultra defensive system is no longer working against teams outside of ulster.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/07/2014 08:59:35    1620472

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County: Meath
Posts: 6076

1620472
Ahh greengrass a not to distant history lesson for you. Meath drew with Donegal in Donegal this year. You failed to mention that.
As for Cavan and my original point. Was the ultra defensive system is no longer working against teams outside of ulster.

Ah now royal, league doesn't count, you should know that well by now. God knows Jim has told you often enough.

As for "ultra defensive" systems not working against teams outside Ulster, what Cavan do bears no relation to how either Donegal or Monaghan play. Besides which Monaghan, who would be defensively minded, did well enough against Meath early in the year if memory serves me right.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 17/07/2014 10:53:40    1620503

Nothing wrong with your memory there,MuckrossHead.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 17/07/2014 11:14:49    1620515