Lilypad
Correct in what you say and Kildare are IMO on the same boat
I think J mvG said that about Donegal around 2011 (Antrim and Dublin games) when everybody was on our backs about our style of football. There was not a word about it a few years previous when Donegal were getting hammered. Lovely football team and great lads , all the praise we wanted we were getting it But we were winning nothing , not even an Ulster. Now when Donegal started beefing up , started getting physical , and given as good as they got and most of all started winning we did not get as much praise. So there it is Cavan, your team has probably learned an awful lot from Sunday, I dare say Cavan will be a different team next year and I did think Cavan wanted another year to develop properly as I could not have fancied them this year in Ulster Mind you I did not foresee what happened before the game happening.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 11/06/2014 20:45:18    1602432

Senior success is built on many layers of players, from various underage teams. There is simply no guarantee that Cavan will go on to win an Ulster Senior Championship over the next 5 to 10 years. The likes of Tyrone, Donegal, Derry, Monaghan etc also have good players coming through, and if only 2 players per year successfully make the step up to seniors for any of these teams, then all the underage success in the world will mean nothing for Cavan. It boils down to how many players will successfully make the leap to senior Intercounty level.

You never get that far ahead in Gaelic until the others big guns start catching on and then catching up with you. Cavan certainly have an excellent platform to build a serious Senior outfit on, but I feel they are a bit light up front.

Donegal's evolved from 2011 because they had some excellent full forwards, and some outstanding attacking half backs also. Cavan have the defensive side of things well sorted, but they seem to lack firepower with the exception of a few players like Dunne, Keating and Mackey.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 12/06/2014 16:24:28    1602728

Where does this leave Cavan now ?
Most Cavan posters thought they would build on last years Q/Final appearance and maybe give Ulster a rattle.

But 2 dismal performances later they're gone for another year.

Cleatus (Donegal) - Posts: 125 - 12/07/2014 19:33:08    1617911

roscommon breed footballers.. we breed a system. we have very average footballers in an effective system. it might win you a few ulster under 21 titles but thats all the system can do. were going nowhere fast.

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 194 - 12/07/2014 19:39:21    1617920

Shame that Cavan where so poor today.

Well done to the Rossies. They where unfortunate to lose to Mayo first time out in my opinion. Very talented players though.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 12/07/2014 19:42:42    1617924

Very dissapointing Championship for Cavan and it sounds like they were pure cat today, still promotion to Division 2 will be seen as progress. Cavan are young and many players may not yet fully realise the difference between U21 and Senior, they will after today which may yet turn out to be an important learning curve. Mind you I'm not convinced that their style of play is the best suited to them and despite their recent improvement I would question the tactics and gameplan of their manager

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 12/07/2014 19:43:49    1617928

Cavan Ulster Sen Champs - only a matter of time?


Yes indeedy, a very long time!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 12/07/2014 19:47:08    1617935

Roscommon impressed me last year against Tyrone and they certainly give Mayo a run this year. Cavan have made good progress but certainly against Armagh they were very poor. Roscommon appear to be ahead of Cavan at this stage and it will be vital that both stay in Division Two next year.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 12/07/2014 19:50:37    1617939

Cavan won't stay in division 2 playing that type of game I wouldn't even call it football at this stage 0-05 points in championship football need to be BIG changes !!!

Cavan_COYBIB (Cavan) - Posts: 62 - 12/07/2014 19:55:45    1617943

Tough on Cavan, but fair play to Roscommon who along with Tipperary are certainly catching the eye in the qualifiers. It just goes to show though that underage success is not going to transfer to senior success unless there is a solid bedrock of a decent senior team there already. The jump from U21 to senior is huge.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 12/07/2014 20:07:21    1617953

Samsforthehills
County: Donegal
Posts: 933

1580628 Out first round.

It's a curse being right all the time.

I'd rank Cavan 8/9 in Ulster. Above only Fermanagh.

Samsforthehills (Donegal) - Posts: 1072 - 12/07/2014 21:17:12    1618023

We are as far away now from winning an Ulster title as we ever were. There are huge issues to be addressed. 0-05 points in a championship game AT HOME. 0-09 against Armagh, almost 40 minutes played in that game before we scored from play.

Such a shame this is the way we are playing football. It's a total travesty. I feel sorry for the players who are trapped in this rigid "system". Like robots following orders.

Nothing in football is a matter of time, winning underage is great and all, but it guarantees nothing.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 12/07/2014 21:24:32    1618031

These systems are a thing of the past Tyrone and Donegal have started to play more attack minded football.

Midlu1 (Louth) - Posts: 790 - 12/07/2014 21:42:35    1618047

Cavan scored fourteen points in championship this year. Is that a record low since back door came in

Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 766 - 12/07/2014 21:44:36    1618050

These systems are a thing of the past Tyrone and Donegal have started to play more attack minded football.

Yeah most years we bring 14 men behind the ball and our championship scoring average over the last ten years is 5 points a match

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 12/07/2014 21:47:42    1618054

Midlu1
County: Louth
Posts: 649

1618047
These systems are a thing of the past Tyrone and Donegal have started to play more attack minded football.

What in the name of God are you talking about man?

Whatever about Tyrone, Donegal are playing exactly the same way since 2012.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 12/07/2014 21:48:22    1618055

Cavan got exactly what they deserved this year for playing their take on PUKE Footballl.

Back to the drawing board lads because you are going nowhere fast.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 13/07/2014 08:42:33    1618071

Ulster football is not what some proclaim it to be. Many have_:sneared at the other provinces saying if only this that or the other. It would appear that when it matters in championship ulster is finding it very hard to compete with the teams that play football. Its fair to say that tipp, Roscommon, Kildare etc would have had a fair shout at winning a provincial title if they were in ulster. Blankets, diving, play acting or whatever is a thing of the past. Football_ has thankfully moved on its now about outscoring opponent again. Ulster teams like Cavan need to embrace that or it will be a long time before any ulster county gets near a all ire again.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/07/2014 08:43:37    1618072

Cavan's system is far too rigid and predictable. All county teams are wise to it now. Even with Martin Dunne back Cavan will struggle unless more emphasis is put on taking and creating scores.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 13/07/2014 09:47:46    1618089

Midlu.
First of all well done Roscommon and tough on Cavan.
Now Midlu if you are in Clones or watching on TV I can assure you that systems /tactics will be the order of the day in Clones next Sunday. But to do it properly you need the players and it must be carried out to a tee.
Cavan will have to change , it's not working for them I saw them in C P last August, first half did not bother about attack and when they did start to play a bit the game was over.
Possible change of management alough T H has done a good job over the last couple of years They don't seem to be making enough progress but I do believe they have potential.

Going to be tough in Div 2this coming year so they should aim to make sure they stay in Div 2. It will take time to sort it out but I suppose any team can hit a low spot ( Donegal 2010 and Armagh hammering them but compare the results of D/A over the last 3 years. ) but it's time Cavan started winning an Ulster again and as JMcG says;;; getting competitive again.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 13/07/2014 09:52:53    1618092