Cavandub
Can't agree with you about Dublin being so far ahead of the rest, they were well tested by Kerry in last years semi and a cuter team than Mayo could have well beaten them in the All Ireland final. Fair enough they can win this years All Ireland final but so can a few more teams. What if they meet a swarm defence similar to last weeks Ulster u21 final ,how do you think they would cope?? Cast back to 2011 semi and the Brogans,Connolly and co got the grand total of 8 points. I think Donegal (shades of 2011/2012) v Dublin semi final ,if it happened would be a very tactical affair I know Donegal would have to be at their best to win the game but then again on the day,on the day dear boy. Mayo ,Tyrone and Cork,Derry and Monaghan could give Dublin plenty to think about. I still think Dublin depend big time on MD and BB they are the players who usually pull the game out of the fire when needed to I think it's all to play for and it would not be the first time for us to get a few shock results and I'm sure that there will be a few

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 15/04/2014 18:23:42    1575658

Cavan are a quality side with huge work gone in at underage. They deserve to do well in ulster. Their ulster title is closer than many think

offtheground1 (Down) - Posts: 128 - 15/04/2014 19:47:56    1575703

I think Derry have a great chance this season. They have
played really well in the national league, are on the
easier side of the draw and have home advantage against
Donegal.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 15/04/2014 20:38:39    1575730

I like Donegal but would like to see Derry beat them and get to the final . Would make for a very interesting final regardless of who comes out the other side of the draw . Obviously Cavan would be my preferred choice but any of Tyrone , Monaghan , Down or Armagh would be tight you'd imagine .

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 15/04/2014 21:31:39    1575752

yes i feel it s only a matter of time before Cavan are top of the pile in Ulster,all the teams in Ulster are good, in Ulster, and on any day anything can happen, Derry, at the minute, stand out,Tyrone too,Monaghan,even Donegal,Down, Cavan beat Derry last year, and Armagh, Fermanagh,ran Monaghan,should have beaten them, and yes would have beaten us ,Donegal,ok things are different now, another year, i think Cavan have come on,and are un beaten in the league, this group of Cavan player s and their u21, well they are all young, and gelled together will, have the makeing s of a good team, that like their u21 s can dominate Ulster,but hi, boys, Cavan have done all this before, 39 Ulster senior titles, plus appeared in another 20 odd finals they lost, so in approx 100 years of Ulster gaa, have been in 60 odd finals, what a record, 3 in a row, 7 in a row, appearing in 20 Ulster final s on the trot, 5 all Irelands, 2 Minor, the only county to win an All Ireland outside Ireland beating Kerry, i predict a Donegal, Cavan Ulster final 2014, at senior, before any1 in Ulster did anything in senior football, Cavan had done it, we all came along after, best of luck to all Ulster teams now, and the future............

mchugh11 (Donegal) - Posts: 242 - 17/04/2014 21:54:43    1576597

"Galway Senior Hurling Champs - Only a matter of time"

Ya..We all wish it was that easy to translate underage success into Senior silverware and I hope Cavan do it but nothing is a matter of time or guaranteed.

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 19/04/2014 17:06:10    1577051

McHugh11
All this talk about what Canan have done, well it's like the song::Long Long before your time. I have been following football for 50 years ( I emigrated in 1968) and in that period Cavan have won no All Ireland and that is at any level Look up the history of the Ulster championship. Tyrone won their first in 1956, Derry in 1958 Down in ,was it 59 or1960. Donegal did not reach an Ulster final until 1963 ,they won Ulster for the first time in 1972. If you consider the political situation in the Six Counties during the 30's/40's/50's and 60's it's easy to understand how the Six county teams struggled So we must congratulate the GAA men in the Six counties who kept it alive in those difficult times and laid the foundation stone for the success of Northern teams in the 90's and 00's
Donegal was badly affected by emigration and being cut off from the Republic so it took the GAA a long time to devolepe in the county Think back to the 60's and how many clubs were in Donegal then,also how many pitches?? If you look at a lot of clubs in Donegal they were only founded in the 70's
My point is that once Donegal,Derry ,Tyrone,Down and Armagh got a proper setup in motion and with a bit of organisation they began to field good strong teams who could compete with anybody. Cavan ,having been the top dogs in Ulster for years more or less disappeared off the scene and the counties named more or less held sway in Ulster over the last 40 odd years
That s not to say Cavan won't come back, their supporters deserve success and it is a great GAA county. They have the young talent now and it's up to them to press on but what happened in the 30's/40's/50's with Cavan won't happen again as all the other Ulster counties have very good set ups and every so often one or two of them will come throught with a good team

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 20/04/2014 15:51:46    1577654

SamOnErrigal
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McHugh11
All this talk about what Canan have done, well it's like the song::Long Long before your time. I have been following football for 50 years ( I emigrated in 1968) and in that period Cavan have won no All Ireland and that is at any level Look up the history of the Ulster championship. Tyrone won their first in 1956, Derry in 1958 Down in ,was it 59 or1960. Donegal did not reach an Ulster final until 1963 ,they won Ulster for the first time in 1972. If you consider the political situation in the Six Counties during the 30's/40's/50's and 60's it's easy to understand how the Six county teams struggled So we must congratulate the GAA men in the Six counties who kept it alive in those difficult times and laid the foundation stone for the success of Northern teams in the 90's and 00's
Donegal was badly affected by emigration and being cut off from the Republic so it took the GAA a long time to devolepe in the county Think back to the 60's and how many clubs were in Donegal then,also how many pitches?? If you look at a lot of clubs in Donegal they were only founded in the 70's
My point is that once Donegal,Derry ,Tyrone,Down and Armagh got a proper setup in motion and with a bit of organisation they began to field good strong teams who could compete with anybody. Cavan ,having been the top dogs in Ulster for years more or less disappeared off the scene and the counties named more or less held sway in Ulster over the last 40 odd years
That s not to say Cavan won't come back, their supporters deserve success and it is a great GAA county. They have the young talent now and it's up to them to press on but what happened in the 30's/40's/50's with Cavan won't happen again as all the other Ulster counties have very good set ups and every so often one or two of them will come throught with a good team

so what was Monaghan's excuse then ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 20/04/2014 20:35:01    1577778

Sam on errigal, co. Donegal,yes i agree with you, and know what you mean, i was only saying about Cavan s great record, and we cant say Cavan never did all this in Ulster cause they did, on here you would think Cavan won nothing, but they did, they beat us all in Ulster many times, no other Ulster team will win 40 Ulster titles, or get a head of Cavan, the ELVIS of Ulster football, today any Ulster team can on any given day match each other, interesting Ulster 2014 senior in store in the next few weeks, no disrespect to any ulster team Donegal v Cavan Ulster final 2014, regardless all Ulster teams to do well in qualifer s, Derry, Tyrone,Down,Monaghan, all can win Ulster,Fermanagh, Armagh, Antrim, could, can suprise, there will be a draw, shocks, but 1 thing the Ulster champsionship, will be evenely matched, and it will boil down to who wants it the most.

mchugh11 (Donegal) - Posts: 242 - 20/04/2014 20:49:00    1577792

S goldrick Cavan
You would want to ask the older Monaghan generation that question,why did the not become a football force 50/60/70 years ago. Anyway this board is all about Cavan, not about Monaghan or what they are going to achieve in the next few years As regards to McHugh 11 post about what Cavan done over the years, well I never remembered them winning anything except an Ulster title or two. And as I said once Derry,Tyrone ,Donegal ,Down and Armagh started winning Ulster titles, Cavan football went downhill Check out the last sixty Ulster finals. I remember Donegal beating Cavan in 1963,it was classed as a massive shock at the time plus it was our first time to reach an Ulster final. Sadly we were unable to win the final as Down were too strong for us at the time.
Also I'm not trying to make excuses for Donegal but as I know too well we were badly hit by emigration along with the likes of Mayo,the finest of our young people having to leave. I was 17,my brother followed over six weeks later at 16 years of age. Ireland was loosing about 50,000 a year to emigration at the time so any county badly hit by emigration had to be affected as regards to trying to get a good team on the road.
As for the Six counties ,as a border county man you must know what went on in the Six counties and the authorities outlook to the GAA I'm glad those days are over and as the results show over the last 50 years Down,Derry,Armagh and Tyrone have made the breakthrough and have won Sam Add In Donegal and along with Offally ,they are the only counties to make the breakthrough in60 years.
Finally I would like to ask you :::what in your opinion was the reason for The decline of Cavan football over the last 50 Years???

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 21/04/2014 08:34:10    1577834

Depends on how many genuinely pacey and mobile players have the appetite to put in the slog at senior level. A lot of underage teams contain more chaff than wheat and some counties, notably Meath, and even Kerry in recent years, manage to be competitive at senior with very little (in Meath's case almost no) recent underage achievement. Success at senior level is a complicated thing, a blend of ability, desire and organisation, and if any of these is a bit off a county will be exposed very fast since the backdoor system came in. My own county is competitive at almost every level, including club, but we've fallen just short on the most important days and unlike the Oscars there's no lifetime (under)achievement award!

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 21/04/2014 11:32:07    1577933

A setback for Cavan tonight. Nothing is guaranteed or inevitable. I would imagine Armagh will study that game closely. That game is an intriguing prospect.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 26/04/2014 21:30:48    1580499

greengrass Louth, i see what u mean, but Cavan v Armagh will be a different game, and now the pressure is off Cavan, on any day any Ulster team can beat 1 another, will Cavan play as bad again? dont think so, i still think, feel 2014, Donegal Cavan final, no disrespect to the other Ulster counties,

mchugh11 (Donegal) - Posts: 242 - 26/04/2014 21:55:27    1580537

you have to have the bottle to win an ulster

muckla (UK) - Posts: 366 - 27/04/2014 10:24:31    1580567

You have to have bottle to be playing league finals!!!!

I dont get "bottling it".

Mayo bottled it last year......or.......they could have been beaten by a better team.

The Gooch is a bottler.....against Tyrone only! All those other all ireland medals mean nothing.

ALL NONSENSE

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 27/04/2014 10:45:36    1580577

Out first round.

Samsforthehills (Donegal) - Posts: 1072 - 27/04/2014 13:20:22    1580628

Well thats that put to bed for another year anyway

goalpost (Armagh) - Posts: 215 - 11/06/2014 18:19:32    1602350

No thanks to Armaghs thuggish behaviour.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 11/06/2014 19:28:27    1602397

Cavan will have to assert themselves better, develop a mean streak if you will, oh wait... :)

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 11/06/2014 19:54:13    1602411

I would not write cavan's underage success off by any means but I did note some cavan posters dismissing galway for example over the last few months while giving us plenty of the 4 in a row provincial feat. no doubt cavan like roscommon have good underage but remember no all ireland was won. we in galway know where we are but feel green shoots are emerging and this is not based on the fact we are the only county other than the dubs with u21 all irelands in the bag over the last 5 years. it is as much based on the fact that our talent albeit slowly looks like starting to fulfill its potential.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1946 - 11/06/2014 20:43:45    1602431