I wonder will Brolly jump ship and join Sky;
he'd be sure to raise his public 'profile'!

Watch this space!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 02/04/2014 16:05:32    1569394

MesAmis

It's a legitimate fear in fairness as it is very hard to see how professionalism would work without the break up of the inter-county championships. Also I'd imagine people would have major concerns over the lack of money that would then be available to clubs etc too


I wouldn't like to see those things happening either MesAmis but I genuinely think we're miles and miles away from that, I just think people are over reacting about this whole Skysports deal.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 02/04/2014 16:26:30    1569407

hill16no1man

well its kind of similiar look at it like this
im sure your wife has some film or muscian star she fancies would you really risk him going on a date wth her


Depends, does it have to a male star or can it be a female star aswell?........she's more than welcome to bring back Katy Perry!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 02/04/2014 16:32:11    1569411

I seriously doubt it is going to be anything like alot of you seem to imagine.

Premiership style analysis etc will not happen as the budget to spend on this will be much much much much lower. We'll get a live show with a few pundits as we are used to and a few highlights on sky sports news. This is Sky Sports 3 we are talking about!

jamesjoyce (Derry) - Posts: 126 - 02/04/2014 16:38:35    1569415

A couple of points on this deal.

The comparison of Australia to the UK, free v pay for view. Live games in Australia are at unsociable times, it would be hard to see any of the cable operators paying for them and it would also mean the games would lose potential audiences. With this deal at least the Irish will no longer need the GAA as an excuse to go to the pub in Australia! The UK is a very different prospect and I can well imagine a lot of the Irish people will already have SKY anyway. It opens the door in the UK to a much wider audience not just first generation but perhaps third and fourth generation. We tend to forget the Irish English community because they don't celebrate their Irish ancestry the same way as the Americans but they are still a huge potential audience.
I am not quite sure what the plan is for the USA but I cannot see it being left to the online player, is sky sports available in the USA?

Why does the international element make a difference. Other than people genuinely wanting the Irish abroad to see the games what reasons are there?
The GAA needs an international audience and that can be achieved in two ways - growing the game locally from the grassroots or growing the TV audience. The grassroots effort takes years to develop so the quicker route is via direct TV. Why do they need the international audience - money. However its not just HQ for every county and club, its not just the costs of running everything but also the debts that quite a lot of the clubs and county boards. Its not about turning the GAA professional but rather trying to maintain the status quo versus other sports. That won't be done without bringing more money into the association but the money pool in Ireland is very limited and so it should for a marketplace of just over six million, sponsors look at the global reach of the sport. Does anyone seriously think AIG is only looking at the NZ market when they sponsor the All Blacks? AIG sponsor Dublin but the $ amounts are equivalent to the market reach of each team. The GAA is not getting much extra from the TV rights for this deal and that makes sense we don't have a global audience that demands anything from the major players in the market.
Growing up I can't remember needing to see games on the TV to have an interest in the game, I got that from being in the field playing games. What I do remember is that quite a lot of kids gave up playing the game because we didn't have the right coaching structures and games structures in place . Nothing really has changed young kids play the game for enjoyment and one day playing for their county however the cost of getting them playing and keep them playing has increased a huge amount.
I have read posters talk about older people not being able to see the 14 games - in reality I doubt if they would want to see all 14 anyway. O'Neill was right - whats wrong with going around to someones house, as a country have we become that up in ourselves that we wouldn't ask our neighbors who could have the game could we watch it with them? Whats wrong with saying I don't want to get sky sports for the sake of 14 games but since you have it lets watch it together. I wouldn't have any problem doing that and have done it in the past.
Longer term I believe this is a good thing although I suspect there is more work to be done on the USA and rest of the world side as the realplayer is not the solution.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 02/04/2014 16:39:40    1569416

I think it's fantastic news. The GAA have been taken for granted for far too long by RTE.It will be interesting to see what innovations SKY will bring to the filming side of the process. It will surely be an improvement. The focus will be more on the positive I suspect, so no time for the Spillanes of this world telling us week after week that we have just witnessed the worst game of football ever seen. Raising the profile of our games abroad can be no bad thing either. It is interesting to note that many of the naysayers already benefit are panellists in the employ of RTE.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 02/04/2014 16:43:03    1569422

I think it's fantastic news. The GAA have been taken for granted for far too long by RTE.It will be interesting to see what innovations SKY will bring to the filming side of the process. It will surely be an improvement. The focus will be more on the positive I suspect, so no time for the Spillanes of this world telling us week after week that we have just witnessed the worst game of football ever seen. Raising the profile of our games abroad can be no bad thing either. It is interesting to note that many of the naysayers already benefit are panellists in the employ of RTE.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 02/04/2014 16:43:14    1569423

KingdomBoy1
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Hill there is no point arguing with the pro sky posters , they are obviously blinded by the glittering light, it's funny that we now have to pay a British company to watch an Irish sport, our forefathers must be spinning in there graves, also can I ask why wasn't this brought up at congress and put to the vote?

yeah was thinking that myself most things have to go to congress
surely something as historic as this for the gaa should have been talked about first among members

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/04/2014 16:44:45    1569425

mod

they would want to seriously brush up on facts as they stated mayo were current all ireland champions on sky sports news
also the names that are favs with the bookies for the presenter and analysts is hardly going to improve the punditry
they reckon your woman wyse will get presenter,does she have any gaa background?
kevin moran is fav for football and shane long for hurling
come on now these two are not qualified gaa analysts
whatever people think of rte or tv3 nalysts at least they have played the game all their lives and its their main sport of interest
these two are ex soccer guys who choose it ahead of gaa
hardly promotes the image of the game now does it

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/04/2014 16:51:05    1569429

'We have invested in the GAA and will promote its games from grassroots to elite levels. We will earn your trust and support'- Message on their twitter page (Sky GAA). They also said 'We are disappointed to hear that not all GAA fans support Sky Sports GAA - but who can say it was love at first sight with your wife'. They seem to be putting every GAA story they can find from the past five years up on it...

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 02/04/2014 16:52:12    1569432

This was posted as a new thread but as the subject matter is the same it has been incorporated here.

H_Bomb12
Posts: 26
Waterford

02/04/2014
16:54

Gaa's income for selling to Sky and RTE?


ANy one know the above q?

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 02/04/2014 16:59:03    1569439

RebelCork
County: Cork
Posts: 600

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'We have invested in the GAA and will promote its games from grassroots to elite levels. We will earn your trust and support'- Message on their twitter page (Sky GAA). They also said 'We are disappointed to hear that not all GAA fans support Sky Sports GAA - but who can say it was love at first sight with your wife'. They seem to be putting every GAA story they can find from the past five years up on it..


pity they couldnt identify who are the current all ireland champions then isnt it

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/04/2014 17:00:45    1569441

Alot of the comment is based on the assumption that RTE are doing a great job and that the current coverage is great. RTEs first love is not GAA by a long shot, In fact they delight in highlighting the negative. It is about time rte is given some of its own medicine. Their coverage of Gaelic games is slipshod to say the least.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 02/04/2014 17:05:58    1569448

Hiil:-
Pity they couldnt identify who are the current all ireland champions then isnt it

Yes, had to lauigh at that myself yesterday Hill.
After hearing that, I thought the curse must have been lifted and that I only dreamt we won SAM last Sept. :o)

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 02/04/2014 17:12:27    1569453

Some of this is down to an inferiority complex. This idea that Sky a big multinational are bound to be brilliant at everything and will suddenly come up with some new way to show our games with some new showbiz element and technical wizardry. At the end of the day the main thing they did with soccer was to show more games at different days and times apart from a Saturday. All things they demanded to increase their audience. Who watches sport because they think the analysis and pundits are great.

There are people that believe that if only we could get into this media market we would be competing with the soccer and rugby of the world. Our games are every bit as appealing and for those who live it day in day out more so but lets face it this isn't going to happen at an international level. The resources required even if you wanted to do it don't exist. Apart from that we are struggling in many parts of this country to promote our games.

RoverTin (Derry) - Posts: 226 - 02/04/2014 17:12:36    1569455

Alot of the comment is based on the assumption that RTE are doing a great job and that the current coverage is great. RTEs first love is not GAA by a long shot, In fact they delight in highlighting the negative. It is about time rte is given some of its own medicine. Their coverage of Gaelic games is slipshod to say the least.

+1

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 02/04/2014 17:18:23    1569459

I fully agree with that statement which was endorsed by my Rebel friend from Cork. Listening to Primetime last night you would think RTE are the best sports station in the world.... I'm in favour of increased competition from other broadcasters..

When BBC Belfast started their 'Championship programme in 1990 it was great, innovative and made the Sunday Game looked dated an poor - RTE took notice, TG4 has been a revalation in their coverage, Prior to their arrival, no club or NFL/NHL /Ladies/Schools/ Third Level were ever shown live and we never got highlights from the latter 3....

I'm not anti-RTE , but their coverage leaves alot to be desired, even their coverage of basic results is poor,

So well done Liam O'Neill , this is adventurous and ambitious, idea...

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 02/04/2014 17:28:17    1569468

Hill16 I suppose they knew if they put it to the vote they would lose, and can I just say one more thing if a fan needs a pundits view on a game and can't make up there own minds on a game for them selfs then we're in trouble.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 02/04/2014 17:32:27    1569473

The comparison of Australia to the UK, free v pay for view. Live games in Australia are at unsociable times, it would be hard to see any of the cable operators paying for them and it would also mean the games would lose potential audiences. With this deal at least the Irish will no longer need the GAA as an excuse to go to the pub in Australia! The UK is a very different prospect and I can well imagine a lot of the Irish people will already have SKY anyway. It opens the door in the UK to a much wider audience not just first generation but perhaps third and fourth generation. We tend to forget the Irish English community because they don't celebrate their Irish ancestry the same way as the Americans but they are still a huge potential audience.
I am not quite sure what the plan is for the USA but I cannot see it being left to the online player, is sky sports available in the USA?

I will say it again, everybody outside Ireland, The UK, and Australia will have to sign up to a subscription online service provided by RTE (most likely on their RTE player) and the GAA. No details of this service has been made available. No Details of the fees they will charge, no details of the coverage they will provide. Why did they announce this whole deal and waffle on about providing the games to people abroad without having those details available?

Dubfan Abroad (Dublin) - Posts: 282 - 02/04/2014 17:33:31    1569474

mod
County: Mayo
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Alot of the comment is based on the assumption that RTE are doing a great job and that the current coverage is great. RTEs first love is not GAA by a long shot, In fact they delight in highlighting the negative. It is about time rte is given some of its own medicine. Their coverage of Gaelic games is slipshod to say the least.

I for one who have been always against the lack of coverage rte give you could even call it rugby tv2 and not rte2 the way its gone
but rte were not the ones to lose out here
they got the exact same and more in this deal
the people of ireland are the ones who lost out along with tv3

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/04/2014 17:36:06    1569475