Lads
Do you really think the players are going to stand for this for much longer - most teams train at a professional level - the players look on enviously and see the Leinster's and Munster of the world play and train as full time professionals, the Football league in Ireland is semi pro, The attendances in the Gaa routinely get 40-82k in the summer
There are corporate boxes and premium levels at Croke park. Sponsorship -Managers getting paid- physios, team doctors, Strength and Conditioning coaches all getting paid
The main attraction of the Association the players all among this money flying around and your telling a lad playing for Dublin in 10 or so matches a year in front of Crowds of 20 to 82 thousand shut up like a good lad and do it for the honor and the glory.. ..

TrueGrit (Dublin) - Posts: 42 - 02/04/2014 10:31:28    1569054

witnof

GAA money doesn't flow into local clubs never did nor ever will? My club has never gotten/gets a single cent from the GAA nor ever will, nor will the clubs around it. Clubs that invest in capitol structures (like shock horror a pitch!) do so in partnership with schools, local councils and local communities or by just using their own members.

From my take on this:
McKenna stated the money was marginal it was never about the money - this is an inaccurate comment for this is ALL about money, this money is substantial who can possibly believe this statement? The difference between Sky money and TV3 MAY be marginal but the deal is not. Of course none of it will help the likes of Whitehall Colmcille realise their dreams nor indeed any other club.

McKenna stated this is all about the global reach etc etc and the poor unfortunate diaspora - incredible anyone woould give any credence to that statement its about money.

I ask again how much does McKenna earn? The fact few know (or care) probably says an awful lot about the hypocracy at the heart of corporate GAA which is a million miles away from their own stated aims and true members.

Players are of course entitled to some of this money. I am sure from general discussion the one result of this deal will be that this will come about and I believe a lot of people opposed to paying players will now support it.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 02/04/2014 10:33:20    1569055

who's paying managers True Grit?

I'm sure Pauric Duffy would like to find out, never mind the revenue!!

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 02/04/2014 10:34:05    1569057

02/04/2014 10:33:20 arock
witnof, GAA money doesn't flow into local clubs never did nor ever will? My club has never gotten/gets a single cent from the GAA nor ever will, nor will the clubs around it. Clubs that invest in capitol structures (like shock horror a pitch!) do so in partnership with schools, local councils and local communities or by just using their own members.
From my take on this:
McKenna stated the money was marginal it was never about the money - this is an inaccurate comment for this is ALL about money, this money is substantial who can possibly believe this statement? The difference between Sky money and TV3 MAY be marginal but the deal is not. Of course none of it will help the likes of Whitehall Colmcille realise their dreams nor indeed any other club.
McKenna stated this is all about the global reach etc etc and the poor unfortunate diaspora - incredible anyone woould give any credence to that statement its about money.
I ask again how much does McKenna earn? The fact few know (or care) probably says an awful lot about the hypocracy at the heart of corporate GAA which is a million miles away from their own stated aims and true members.
Players are of course entitled to some of this money. I am sure from general discussion the one result of this deal will be that this will come about and I believe a lot of people opposed to paying players will now support it. don't know about how much McKenna earns. Email/Tweet GAA and ask or ask on twitter any of the GAA journalists
GAA money does go to the clubs. ridiculous to say no money does. It will in some form or another of grant etc

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 02/04/2014 10:40:55    1569065

True grit

Did you ever hear of expenses. I know a few lads that have played county football and I wouldn't mind getting their expenses through my work. The GAA need to tread carefully on the expenses front as if its seen to be pay then Mr. Tax man will pop up. The truth is that some counties have better expenses than others.The whole thing about how long will players stand for this is absurd, some players in every county haven't liked it so they left the panels but the truth of it is that most county players love it and thats why they play!!

TV3 offered more money than Sky so if the deal had been given to TV3 again would there be any of these topics about who gets what??

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 02/04/2014 11:00:47    1569080

I think that it is a great deal for sky and for the GAA as an organisation. However the players will see none of this which is a joke.. There would be no games or no big deals with sky without the commitment of players all over the country.. If the players continue to be treated as a commodity in this rather than a party than a stakeholder when big deals like this are brokered it will all come to a head and you may see possible player strikes in the future..

god (Westmeath) - Posts: 90 - 02/04/2014 11:13:32    1569090

e.j.healy
County: Galway
Posts: 16

1569033 Everyone is in favour of accomodating the diaspora. But why penalise fans at home? Surely some agreement could have been reached that the 13 games going to Sky could also have been shown on terrestial channels like RTE or TV3. Why the exclusive rights for the games going to Sky? There is more to this than just helping the diaspora.
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How is it penalising the fans at home, you can go to the games on the other we in exile don't have that opportunity?

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 02/04/2014 11:15:25    1569091

a lot of tosh being spoken here.80%of all money earned by the gaa goes to the grassroots.this isnt creative accounting.its verifiable year after year from the openly accessable gaa accounts.in this country 12/15 years ago the only live gaa matches were the semi finals and finals of the all ireland.radio was king with highlights on sunday evening.people were happy enough with that.now we have 31 live matches on rte 16(i think?) on tv3.thats 47 games from may to september,2 or 3 a week...so basically gaa fans never had it so good.the fact sky now have 14 mid intrest games exclusively is a mild inconvenience to my thinking.some of them qualifiers onlt have very sparse crowds,and i would imagine sky viewership will be low also.if the gaa can get a few bob outa sky then fair dues to them.

kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 02/04/2014 11:20:02    1569095

Will people in the USA be able see all games now too?

There seems to be a myth out there that the GAA are getting loads of money form this deal...well according to reports they could have got more elsewhere but sky provide the best platform in which to promote the games and max the audience.

I see Ger Loughnane saying MOST people in Ireland don't have sky sports and have no interest in the channel....I don't believe that is true. There is a myth that RTE/TG4 etc don't pay to show the games but they do pay.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 02/04/2014 11:51:32    1569117

well it has been declared
unfortunatly these people are using excuses and if its not an excuse the reasoning is even worse
they say its for irish abroad and to promotoe the games around the world
take the irish abroad without wanting to offend any who live abroad
is it fair that the gaa put these people who have all left ireland and all left to work abroad
these people have jobs and money to do what they like and pay for subscriptions
but what about the people who didnt leave ireland
the people who lost their jobs and stayed here, kept ireland going and the GAA going over the last decade
went to games keeping the coffers ticking over they now are saying thank you for that
but seen as the country has stabilised we will not look for you to pay so people abroad can get these games
is it right to put people who dont live in ireland ahead of people who do?
then take the whole idea of the games catching on in other countries
if that happens do you really think the gaa would stay amature?
do they really think these same guys would be still in control of the running of the gaa
if britain,USA or any other big money countries were to be engrossed in the game
we would no longer have an all ireland championships,everything would change
its like the school kid screaming look at me look at me teacher pining for attention
we have something uniquely irish that we are proud of here in this country and enjoy
why he need to have to have other countries take notice
sky got 14 games at the first deal, take 10 years or so later and they will no doubt have half the games
then what will the midweek championship games be forced upon us by a pay per view station looking to spread games out
like they do with the rugby, will players stand for midweek games then or will it lead to professionalism ?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/04/2014 11:55:05    1569118

look at all amateur sports around the world that embraced subscription Television model -they all go professional in the end.

TrueGrit (Dublin) - Posts: 42 - 02/04/2014 11:58:21    1569121

yew_tree
County: Mayo
Posts: 5535

I see Ger Loughnane saying MOST people in Ireland don't have sky sports and have no interest in the channel....I don't believe that is true. There is a myth that RTE/TG4 etc don't pay to show the games but they do pay.

Don't know about most people not being interested in getting Sky Sports but I'd imagine that most people (more than half) don't have Sky Sports at home. Could be wrong though but I'd imagine that is the case.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 02/04/2014 11:59:00    1569123

The games will be a lot faster than sky's camera people are use to so let's hope they can work out a deal with RTE or we're going to miss a lot of points and goals.

CoTyrone (Tyrone) - Posts: 261 - 02/04/2014 12:00:46    1569125

W

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 02/04/2014 12:09:51    1569141

Well said hill16.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 02/04/2014 12:10:34    1569142

Tir Chonail
I have no problem with lads getting expenses -this is not the issue. Players will demand greater financial reward. This will in turn see more of the games go behind a pay-wall. Eventually all games bar the All-Ireland finals will be behind a pay-wall. That's how subscription sports channels work they monopolise and take of Terrestial TV look at sport worldwide if you don't believe me- what happens if its wildly successful? look at Rugby BT sport have come into that market. what if they decide they want in on that summer market in 3 years split subscriptions? Next year you will need a BT & BSKYB subscription to watch the new rugby champions cup. Bskyb are putting the Rabo behind a paywall next year also. The IRFU are probably now where the GAA will be in 5-10 Years. Semi/Professionalism is the natural pregession.
If this is what the members of the Organisation want so be it -I dont.

TrueGrit (Dublin) - Posts: 42 - 02/04/2014 12:10:53    1569143

02/04/2014 10:33:20
arock
County: Dublin
Posts: 2060

1569055
witnof

GAA money doesn't flow into local clubs never did nor ever will? My club has never gotten/gets a single cent from the GAA nor ever will, nor will the clubs around it. Clubs that invest in capitol structures (like shock horror a pitch!) do so in partnership with schools, local councils and local communities or by just using their own members.

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Yes it does.

1) Croke Park puts a huge amount of money into the Player's Injury Scheme which is completely self funded by clubs, counties and Croke Park. If the complete bill for this was to fall back on clubs and counties, each club would pay far more.
2) Any club doing any physical development can apply for and will get grants from through the provincial councils.
3) There are far more full time coaches, who are paid employees of the GAA, going around coaching children all over the country. Clubs benefit from this as theis is the GAA developing players for clubs. Clubs simply wouldn't be able to afford to it themselves.

And I'm sure there's more that I'm not aware of.

Cilldara_2000 (Kildare) - Posts: 57 - 02/04/2014 12:11:42    1569145

TrueGrit

Why would anyone want to stop "natural progression", sounds very counter productive to me. Again though I think the Gaa is a long way off professionalism, the money just isn't there, or anywhere near it for that matter.

Ps, why do we fear professionalism anyway? It's almost used as a dirty word on this forum, well I tell you what, I don't work for free, do you?

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 02/04/2014 12:21:38    1569154

This will also force the GAA to up it's game as to presentation of grounds.

If Sky are coming calling do we want the world to see the dilapidated state some of our grounds are in?

Do we want some of the shambolic situations with incompetent umpires being aired?

Do we want Sky airing games where the ground in only half full?

A lot to ponder on.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 02/04/2014 12:22:31    1569158

arock said "GAA money doesn't flow into local clubs never did nor ever will? My club has never gotten/gets a single cent from the GAA nor ever will, nor will the clubs around it. Clubs that invest in capitol structures (like shock horror a pitch!) do so in partnership with schools, local councils and local communities or by just using their own members."

Your club mustn't be very good at applying - most clubs receive grant from porovincial or central council for development. For the likes of a new pitch, dressing rooms etc you'd be guaranteed at least around 15%/20% directly from the GAA before you's ever go to the Government for a Sports Capital Grant (in the Republic of Ireland, not sure how grants work in Northern Ireland).

Heraf (Laois) - Posts: 316 - 02/04/2014 12:23:45    1569160