why do some people think hurling needs a strong offaly? why not a strong kerry?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 06/04/2014 18:19:00    1571140

Selfishness I'd imagine, they want to pull the ladder up after them. I dont understand the logic of these people that the teams ranked 7-12 are entitled to play the teams ranked 1 to 6, supposedly any league format that doesnt provide for this is a disgrace.

But according to these same people, the 13-18th teams should just be happy playing each other every single year and shouldnt be bothering the "traditional hurling counties" by getting promoted.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1644 - 06/04/2014 18:47:08    1571170

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County: Meath
Selfishness I'd imagine, they want to pull the ladder up after them. I dont understand the logic of these people that the teams ranked 7-12 are entitled to play the teams ranked 1 to 6, supposedly any league format that doesnt provide for this is a disgrace.
But according to these same people, the 13-18th teams should just be happy playing each other every single year and shouldnt be bothering the "traditional hurling counties" by getting promoted.

Or, when these structures are being voted on, the "non-traditional hurling counties", who are in the majority, should vote against them. Everyone gets a vote.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 06/04/2014 18:55:58    1571177

What a stupid structure. A "league" where the team that wins division 3 does not get automatic promotion and a team that loses a division 2 relegation playoff is not relegated, is not a league. It is a joke.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1102 - 06/04/2014 19:01:56    1571184

Also, congrats to Donegal and Tyrone on their wins today. great to see Donegal supplementing their Nicky Rackard success from last year, hopefully this year will see them move on and retain their title, and put up a good showing in the Ulster SHC.

Looking at the league format, it seems to suggest that the winners of 3A will need to meet the bottom team from 2B to decide relegation/promotion, which would mean Donegal would need to play Fingal in a relegation/promotion play-off. However, I've seen elsewhere that Fingal are considered to be relegated from 2B. Does anyone know which of these scenario's is actually the case? As usual with the league, confusion abounds.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 06/04/2014 19:17:22    1571199

I'm not against the league structure per se but a lack of consistency abounds outside of Division 1 which is insulting to teams competing in the lower divisions. Longford were relegated to 3B without a playoff yet Dublin & Waterford had to play a relegation "final". What is the logic in this scenario???

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 06/04/2014 19:44:44    1571245

Kerry should be let up automatically for the effort they are putting in, to be honest never seen them beating Carlow but fair play to them. I think they won 3 u21 b titles in a row a few years ago so its beginning to bear fruit. it all goes to show you don't need a big name manager to get results, it all depends on the work and the set-up, Kelly from Kildangan deserves great credit. I can definitely see them back in the munster championship now in 1 or 2 years. ASs regards Carlow I feel really sorry for them for the Effort they are putting in and to see them another year down in 2A wont help them in their quest or development to reach the big time. They are well capable of 1b hurling too. They have a great manager in John Meyler and he too contributed greatly to Kerrys recovery in Hurling.

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 737 - 06/04/2014 20:02:17    1571258

as i have said before the GAA does not understand the concept of a league, never has done.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 06/04/2014 20:08:36    1571274

Who knows Kerry could beat Offaly
A little revenge for 1982

RAHKILL (Westmeath) - Posts: 395 - 06/04/2014 20:18:07    1571286

The gaa made a shambles of the hurling league, should be still 8 in a division with top 2 going up and bottom 2 going down! If u look at 1A and top 2 in 1b u have teams all in and around a similar level! While the next eight while there is a bit of a bigger gap for 9th to 16th it would be good for these teams to be playing against each oth er if they are to push on and develop! I have no idea who the current league fornat is meant to benefit, like who I actually meant to gain from it!

as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 06/04/2014 20:31:13    1571300

The gaa made a shambles of the hurling league, should be still 8 in a division with top 2 going up and bottom 2 going down! If u look at 1A and top 2 in 1b u have teams all in and around a similar level! While the next eight while there is a bit of a bigger gap for 9th to 16th it would be good for these teams to be playing against each oth er if they are to push on and develop! I have no idea who the current league fornat is meant to benefit, like who I actually meant to gain from it!

as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 06/04/2014 20:31:28    1571301

I wonder did the MLR players being parachuted into the Carlow starting 15 upset their performance today?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 06/04/2014 20:32:26    1571303

No complaints from us today, beaten by a hungrier team.

Kerry and Carlow both deserve to be playing at div1b level and i'll be
cheering on kerry next week.

Crazy that kerry top the league, win the div final and may still not get promoted.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 06/04/2014 20:44:20    1571320

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County: Tipperary
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CastleBravo
County: Meath
Selfishness I'd imagine, they want to pull the ladder up after them. I dont understand the logic of these people that the teams ranked 7-12 are entitled to play the teams ranked 1 to 6, supposedly any league format that doesnt provide for this is a disgrace.
But according to these same people, the 13-18th teams should just be happy playing each other every single year and shouldnt be bothering the "traditional hurling counties" by getting promoted.

Or, when these structures are being voted on, the "non-traditional hurling counties", who are in the majority, should vote against them. Everyone gets a vote.

the same could be said for ye in the munster football championship?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 06/04/2014 21:02:12    1571341

Side note - thought the pitch looked v poor today in thurles and hardly a marking to be seen on it. Also the ref had a cousin on the kerry management team as far as i m aware - no complaints with him though, did a good job. But it shows still how the lower level counties are treated by the gaa. Well done to kerry. Well deserved win and should have won by more.

old yellar (None) - Posts: 2625 - 06/04/2014 21:25:56    1571378

Delighted for the Kerry hurlers. A big massive congratulations on winning the 2A title! I was fearing the worst in the first half. Some storming start to the second. The Carlow were nudging in front and the sides were matching point for point. Penalty save late on, oh the drama! Thoughts of last year's late loss to Down in the Ring final were coming to mind.

All any team at the very best can do is set out to win their division at the start of the year. Kerry should be in 1B after today and looking forward to tough tasks against Waterford and Limerick next year. Anyways we are where we are. The Ring winners will have a McCarthy play-off the week after, so it'll be an experience for Kerry if they can get more silverware in June.

Down the Christy Ring holders are still the team to beat!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7853 - 06/04/2014 21:34:41    1571390

The most disturbing part about the current system is that antrim failed to pick up a single point this year in 1b, how can it be justified yhat they deserve to play in 1b again next year ahead of kerry and offaly! It is just so ridiculous and the gaa should be embarrased!

as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 06/04/2014 21:38:03    1571395

Well done to Kerry today, fully deserved the win and probably should have won by more. Too many Carlow players had an off day, very surprised at how many of our better players underperformed. Only 2 changes made too when we needed to use all 5 subs.
This loss is a massive blow to Carlow hurling.

Kerry were very impressive though and I really hope they can beat Offaly and get to 1B where after today they should be anyway.

The Real 1944 (Carlow) - Posts: 1114 - 06/04/2014 21:38:47    1571398

Two up, two down.

What's wrong with that ????

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 06/04/2014 21:43:27    1571406

Crazy league system in that Kerry deserve to go to next level after a fully merited win over Carlow today but now have to play in 7 days! A very unfair system and shows NO respect to those counties trying to emerge into the top tier.
As for the pitch - a disgrace - no markings - the length of grass - far too long. Another INSULT to BOTH counties today.

I know this will matter little to Kerry who fought like tigers for every ball and should have won by a few more points.
Carlow were second to the ball. took poor options and too many players were well below par. Kerry showed guts, determination and scored some quality scores to deservedly win.

Heard the ref was related to and plays hurling with Kerry connections. Again - not good enough. Little thought put into the chosen referee again shows the degree to which the authorities care about the lower divisions.

Well done to Kerry and we will be shouting for you next weekend.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 06/04/2014 21:43:41    1571407