legendzxix
County: Kerry
Posts: 2971

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Agreed 100% with 93vintageyear. Playing Dublin outside of Croke Park is a massive advantage altogether when they're on a discover Ireland trip as they'd call it.

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Ha, ha. I drove down to Killarney last year on such a 'Discover Ireland' trip and we dished out a footballing lesson to you. I didn't see your massive advantage that day.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 17/03/2014 09:16:47    1560684

C'mon Dubs

When you get your rear ends handed to you on a plate, the manly thing to do is take it on the chin & move on.

Whinging about understrength teams, delaying tactics etc etc doesn't look good.

This only applies to the whingers not to all Dubs

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 17/03/2014 09:27:19    1560687

Ulsterman
County: Antrim
Posts: 6737

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People atarting to see the massive advantage Dublin are getting with 80% of their games in Croke Park. The large home crowd does intimidate other sides because this Dublin squad is very, very average and are carried along by the noise and emotion of Croke Park. It would have been interesting to see them and Kerry compete in Ulster where they would have had to travel for many games and tough it out; they wouldn't have half their All Irelands if they had.

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I drove a 600km round trip yesterday to see the lads. I did the same last year to Donegal and down to Killarney. I've been over to Mullingar twice this year. We are unbeaten in 80% of these away games and that was the defeat yesterday. I met some great people from Derry yesterday, great craic with them but unfortunately it's people like you who give Ulster Gaels a bad name and that's a shame. The game was barely over it seems and you were all over the Dublin forum like a rash to get the knife in.

Derry were excellent yesterday and I wish that team, I tipped them to do well last year on here, and their supporters all the best. It was refreshing to see an Ulster team play open football and they beat us fair and square in a shoot out.

To say that this Dublin team is average is laughable. We beat every team put in front of us last year except the AI champs from Ulster who we relegated away by drawing with them. Of that Dublin team arguably only one forward will start in the Summer (Alan Brogan) and arguably only one back (Philly McMahon). Players missing included Flynn, Connolly, Brogan, Mannion, Rock, Costello, Brennan, McCaffrey, McCarthy, O'Carroll. I wouldn't call any of these average.

Tough game against Mayo in two weeks time and then we'll be going back up north to Omagh, a defining game for Dublin this year I think. I hope Gavin does the squad justice this time and picks a near championship team.

Well done Derry. Seriously hope you win Ulster and we might meet you in one of our apparent 80% home games in Parnell, I mean Croke Park, later in the year.

Up the Dubs!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 17/03/2014 09:38:44    1560695

Joxer thinks you covered all the bases there. Good post. Very very average team my a@£e. 3 National titles in 3 years and the prospect of more in the near future.
A.

Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 381 - 17/03/2014 10:22:20    1560719

Well done to Derry.

Fantastic display.

Dublin where woeful. The worst performance under Jim Gavin.

Sluggish, No tempo.

It was poor.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 17/03/2014 10:36:54    1560726

Indeed Realdub.... :)

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 17/03/2014 11:08:57    1560746

Ulsterman
What are you on about? If we were in the north we would have more allirelands won by now, we're at a serious disadvantage coming from a hurling province the only team that continually test us are cork.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 17/03/2014 12:48:13    1560804

Great win for our lads yesterday but margin of victory should have been more. Pleased with the four goals though. Division one status secured for another year and we can now look at securing a semi final spot.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 17/03/2014 13:04:15    1560816

Glad to see our boys get a comprehensive win after last weeks poor showing. Form is fickle in the league I suppose.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 17/03/2014 14:35:33    1560858

Yeah it was the perfect response to what was a bad day at the office seanie boy. Division 1 status safely secured now, maybe even a semi-final place.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 17/03/2014 14:50:41    1560867

Hey lads, O'Donoghue could be worth a punt for POTY, 11 or 12/1, get on it :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 17/03/2014 15:14:55    1560878

Its pointless posting on here after Dublin loose
As if you tell facts of the match your called a sore loser
If it goes against the winning team
Nobody doubt Derry deserved to win
But can we not be honest and say what everybody saw who watched the game that the ref was terrible?
And also can we not state a clear fact that Derrys penalty appeal should never have come about if the ref blew for the foul on Sean George as the ball was played in first
Or to say we missed 4 or 5 clear goal chances and derry took their chance was the difference at the end of the day
Its all facts not made up out if thin air like
So is being honest classed as a sore loser because your team lost?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/03/2014 15:36:39    1560890

If there was a moment that Derry re-entered the conversation it was yesterday! I hope "Derry are just a league team" is posted up in capital bold letters in Owenbeg training complex.

brolly_4_pres (Derry) - Posts: 356 - 17/03/2014 16:05:50    1560902

Ulsterman, the most obviously biased person coming out with guff against a certain part of the country here is you against the South. Is the word irony in your dictionary? Nice to see the old Ulster is superior myth popping up again. If Kerry or Dublin were in Ulster they would have more All-Irelands nearly because for years it was the weakest province. The winner of Ulster was nearly a bye into the final. In the past 25 years its been the most consistently strong province, but not particularly superior. Tyrone were a great team and Down in the early 90's the next. Donegal have been over rated and Armagh ubderachieved. There's a myth that Kerry can't handle Ulster teams. Yes, Tyrone were a massive problem but Kerry have had their number in recent years. No other team in Ulster bar the occasional win were any where near as good as them, or this current Dublin outfit.

Treaty_Exile (Limerick) - Posts: 386 - 17/03/2014 16:22:04    1560917

No point in getting any knickers in any twists, all these games will be forgotten as soon as the full time whistle is blown in the league final. Only championship matches stay in the memory, I haven't even thought of Dublin's league win last year until now to be honest.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 17/03/2014 16:25:20    1560919

@ Ulsterman

Those have to be 2 of the most ridiculous statements I've seen i while.
1. Dublin have an average squad?? Really?? I thought it was common knowledge that Dublin had the best squad in the country at the minute. One of their forwards just scored 2-5 in a club all ireland there. And he's not even their best forward in my opinion.
2. Kerry and Dublin wouldn't have done as well if they were in Ulster?? Ulster supplies 13% of the winning all irelands. Ulster might be a competitive province now, but not in regards to it's history! If Ulster teams were so good back then how come they couldn't beat Kerry and Dublin in semi-finals and finals. When there were no second chances what did it matter what stage of the championship they met at??

JMK (Kerry) - Posts: 273 - 17/03/2014 17:05:37    1560944

Ulsterman is losing the run because a fired up Derry beat (deservedly) a patched together Dublin side, last time we travelled up north in the championship we took out Derry as far as I remember!!

Some things he says I agree with, but he spoils it with all this over the top rubbish!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 17/03/2014 17:13:29    1560959

Treaty_Exile
County: Limerick
Posts: 219

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Ulsterman, the most obviously biased person coming out with guff against a certain part of the country here is you against the South. Is the word irony in your dictionary? Nice to see the old Ulster is superior myth popping up again. If Kerry or Dublin were in Ulster they would have more All-Irelands nearly because for years it was the weakest province. The winner of Ulster was nearly a bye into the final. In the past 25 years its been the most consistently strong province, but not particularly superior. Tyrone were a great team and Down in the early 90's the next. Donegal have been over rated and Armagh ubderachieved. There's a myth that Kerry can't handle Ulster teams. Yes, Tyrone were a massive problem but Kerry have had their number in recent years. No other team in Ulster bar the occasional win were any where near as good as them, or this current Dublin outfit.

I agree that Ulsterman is biased, but clearly doesn't represent the views of the vast majority of Ulster Gaels.

I also agree that from 1970's until the 1990's, Ulster sides were very much a soft draw in the All Ireland. However prior to this, We had regular success with Cavan in 1940's & 1950's and the Down won 3 All Ireland titles in the 1960's.

With regards Kerry, they have struggled more against Ulster best team over the past 12 years or so. Perhaps to put it more accurately, they have been beaten by perhaps the strongest Ulster team of that particular year. It's not simply a case of All Ulster sides being superior or better, just that Ulster's best side got one over on Kerry on that particular year.

Tyrone have clearly not been Ulster's best side in recent years, and Kerry always play out of their skins to make up for All Ireland failures against Tyrone for which the Kingdom were badly slated.

Ulster teams have won 9 x All Ireland title with 5 different teams over the past 23 years. While no one side has dominated, there is a healthy blend of success and competition across the province. This "Ulster is superior" is not something i have ever thought, nor is it a common view. It was nice to see Down, Donegal, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone win All Ireland's, and it gives youngsters and players in neighbouring counties a belief that they too can do it.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 17/03/2014 18:58:55    1561067

Hope so Brend,its always a good thing to win as many games as possible even when experimenting with different teams as is common in the league campaigns.Although a good kick up the @rse is needed sometimes also to stop lads from getting complacent about where they are at in terms of their ability.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 17/03/2014 19:20:06    1561079

I hate opposing supporters making excuses, the bottom line was that the better team won on the day. To say Dublin sent a patched up team to Derry is disrespectful. If Jim Gavin has players unavailable that his problem. Dublin NEEDED the two points as much as Derry as they have Mayo n Tyrone in their final two games. We can only beat what's put in front of us and that's exactly what we did yesterday.

Hopefully people will take Derry serious now, we have talented footballers in this county who have underachieved over the past 10 years for many different reasons. I am not saying we will be league or AI champions this year but I do think under Brian's management we will see success coming our way sooner rather than later.

OakGael (Derry) - Posts: 293 - 17/03/2014 19:38:04    1561093