sedico
County: Kildare
Posts: 1668

1531011 hurlingdub
County: Dublin
Posts: 5639

1530993 If a player is alleged to have bitten someone then it surely should be brought to attention of referee at the time it happened. Ref would then persumably sent the player off. None of these thing shappened yesterday.


Thats rubbish. And how does the ref ascertain who is telling the truth.

I can't see any player making this stuff up. Its happening but we all choose to turn a blind eye to it becuase thats the easy way out.

I know an Offaly player was bitten in a championship match 2 years ago, showed the referee and the linesman but the ref said since he didnt see it he couldnt act on it. Im not sure if it was followed up on as the 2 players were booked for rolling around on the ground.

tonorio (Offaly) - Posts: 608 - 13/01/2014 11:46:07    1531015

Almost impossible to prove one way or the other unless it's a suarez like incident and no doubt multiple players names will be going around as the culprit which is a terrible slur on an innocent party. In previous less enlightened times anyone that dug their teeth into someone would end up picking them off the pitch but of course that's no longer acceptable

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 13/01/2014 11:46:37    1531016

Jesus Christ...

Something needs to be done about this.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 13/01/2014 11:50:09    1531020

This should be investigated. However, No charge will be brought against a player. Why? No evidence.

If the David Gough had of seen this alleged bite, The Dublin player would not have remained on the field. There was no TV cameras or any recording whatsoever (to my knowledge anyway) of the game. This is in contrast to Luis Suarez's bite in the premier league when it was picked up by many cameras and at different angles. There was no need for a trial. He was guilty it was simply a case of how long the ban would be.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 13/01/2014 12:29:58    1531047

Ah just an observation: gumshields... they are compulsory now. SO if a player "bite" either he spat out the gumshild first.. which is a yellow card, or else he bite while wearing the gumshield????

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 13/01/2014 12:37:22    1531049

Unless the ref or another official actually sees something like this clearly happen during a game then they can't really take action.

If refs start acting on a player coming up to him and just showing a bite mark it could go down a strange road. Lads getting their bird to bite them the morning of a match and then running up to the ref after 5 mins telling him their marker just bit him...

Obviously if it's caught on camera then obviously retrospective action should be taken.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 13/01/2014 12:48:17    1531059

Oh dear.......not again.
Same as last time though,if there is no evidence and no player admits to anything then its over.Too many lads wanting it to be true,just because its the Dubs being accused again, and thats not on either.Dublin fans don't want their players to be up to this kind of thing.I will just add though that Jim Gavin needs to have a word with his squad about this stuff,just so the players are in no doubt that such behaviour cannot be tolerated.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 13/01/2014 13:02:17    1531068

Good post Seanie.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 13/01/2014 13:20:08    1531080

Well if it did happen and the lad is wearing a gum shield, is it more likely to be a nip instead of a bite, get the black cards out, or do we need another card, possibly orange of biting/nipping/ tugging of the nether regions etc??

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 13/01/2014 13:37:46    1531096

Problem here is it's going to be very hard to prove.

One players word against another, the victim's and the accused's usually.

I don't believe any GAA player would make a false allegation of biting against another GAA player.

If a claim is made then immediate action should be taken against the accused in the form of a suspension until the matter has been fully resolved.

If the claim is subsequently proven then very serious sanctions should be imposed on the player involved, if however it can't be proven against a particular individual but evidence does exist that substantiates an unsavoury incident did occur than serious action should be taken against the club, the county, the college or other to which the accused is attached.

If the claim proves to be totally unfounded then very serious sanctions should be imposed on the claimant.

THE_SNAPPER (Louth) - Posts: 2019 - 13/01/2014 13:49:19    1531106

what players were booked in the game

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 13/01/2014 14:11:17    1531124

If this is true, then you would wonder about the guy involved. Surely every guy in and around that squad would have seen first hand the media storm that was created by such an issue last year. Then they go and do it again?

Also, I believe that if someone is caught doing this they should face a full season ban. It is hard to detect, and frankly disgusting behaviour, so it should be treated very seriously. However, I think the same should go for things like eye-gouging. We have seen instances of this caught on camera and nothing has been done. It is a very dangerous act and shouldnt be taken so lightly. If a lad had a finger in another lad's eye, and he then collided with another player or they tripped awkwardly, the lad could be blinded for life.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 13/01/2014 14:12:31    1531127

13/01/2014 13:37:46
bricktop
County: Down
Posts: 784

1531096
Well if it did happen and the lad is wearing a gum shield, is it more likely to be a nip instead of a bite, get the black cards out, or do we need another card, possibly orange of biting/nipping/ tugging of the nether regions etc??

We have a red card to be fair. And bans of up to 48 weeks can be applied. I think that suffices.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 13/01/2014 14:18:31    1531136

THE_SNAPPER
County: Louth
Posts: 1084

1531106 Problem here is it's going to be very hard to prove.

One players word against another, the victim's and the accused's usually.

I don't believe any GAA player would make a false allegation of biting against another GAA player.

If a claim is made then immediate action should be taken against the accused in the form of a suspension until the matter has been fully resolved.

If the claim is subsequently proven then very serious sanctions should be imposed on the player involved, if however it can't be proven against a particular individual but evidence does exist that substantiates an unsavoury incident did occur than serious action should be taken against the club, the county, the college or other to which the accused is attached.

If the claim proves to be totally unfounded then very serious sanctions should be imposed on the claimant.
13/01/2014 14:11:17



If proven guilty then i'm in favour of any ban for any lenghtly period of time. Biting is despicable, dangerous and inexcusable on a field of play.

However, punishing a person on the presumption of guilt is in my opinion a morally reprehensible thing to do, especially if the person involved denies the charge. Severe damage can be done to a persons credibility under such circumstances.

First things first, it has to be known how this came to the attention of the media source in question, then has the potential victim filed a complaint and thirdly is there any evidence to support any possible wrong doing.

Not believing any player would make a false allegation is a dangerous leap of faith as is comdemnation of the back of media reports alone.

If the evidence or an admission is there name, shame and impose a detterant punishment. Until then no name should be published or printed and people should hold court until it comes into the public domain.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 13/01/2014 14:30:17    1531141

Well sedico, you can't have a situation where players can make unsupported allegations after a match can you? Would any consideration be given to someone who claimed after a game that someone had hit him? Thats what the ref and match officials are for, or failing that video evidence. As far as I'm concerned if soemthing hapoens on the pitch and is not copped by the ref or brought to attention by direct evidence as in video then it is pretty flimsy basis to be conducting any case against a player.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 13/01/2014 14:37:47    1531146

If guilty then let the punishment be extreme, because thats what it deserves, but it might be another case of "a graze that looked like a bite" like the doctor said last time!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 13/01/2014 14:43:57    1531150

seany16 do you think a player would makes a very serious false claim against another player if he knew in all probability he was going to be found out and then punished very severely for doing so ?.

THE_SNAPPER (Louth) - Posts: 2019 - 13/01/2014 14:57:46    1531161

hurlingdub
County: Dublin
Posts: 5644

1531146 Well sedico, you can't have a situation where players can make unsupported allegations after a match can you? Would any consideration be given to someone who claimed after a game that someone had hit him? Thats what the ref and match officials are for, or failing that video evidence. As far as I'm concerned if soemthing hapoens on the pitch and is not copped by the ref or brought to attention by direct evidence as in video then it is pretty flimsy basis to be conducting any case against a player.



I don't believe any player would make an allegation without there being some element of truth to it. A player would know how hard it would be to prove such an accusation therefore they wouldn't go making them willy nilly.

As far as your concerned doesn't make a jot of difference. Just because a player makes an allegation and there is no evidence to support it, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. By all accounts this was witnessed by some Dublin fans as well but I guess they won't be coming forward with any evidence either.

I'm guessing it'll take someone to be missing a piece of their ear for this to be taken seriously. It cannot and should not be brushed under carpet like you are attempting to do. I don't care if its Dublin, Kildare or my own club team its a disgusting horrible act that has no place in sport.

I'd be all out to out any player for biting and not going down the 'no evidence so nothing can be done' route that your are taking.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 13/01/2014 15:10:00    1531168

If this is true I hope the allegedly bitten player has the character and decency to give evidence of the alleged attack and not make a mockery of the situation

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 13/01/2014 15:30:18    1531186

THE_SNAPPER
County: Louth
Posts: 1085

1531161 seany16 do you think a player would makes a very serious false claim against another player if he knew in all probability he was going to be found out and then punished very severely for doing so ?.



I would hope nobody would make a false claim and i wouldn't neccessarily expect one to. But irregardless of what i think or anybody else thinks its immaterial. Any player or person has the right to be presumed innocent unless evidence or admission proves otherwise. Pretty much everyone on here including myself is ignorant as to what goes on between players off a pitch, were also ignorant to any arguments or agendas they may have or have had.

If the evidence is there that suggest a player has brought shame on his jersey then punishment should quickly follow, if its not there he has the right to be considered innocent until the particulars change. I'd be shocked if others thought otherwise!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 13/01/2014 15:42:04    1531191