"The GAA sets it own agendas, and come hell or high water they force it through. They wanted the game in portlaoise so that TG4 was able to be able to do a double header. After all with the Sky deal TG4 were the ones who were missing out, portlaoise was an olive branch to theTG4 TV company, and had nothing to do with fairness for the 4 teams involved."

Rubbish. TG4 has been showing these U21 games for a number of years. Neither RTE nor Sky were ever gonna the games on Saturday so your point is completely invalid.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 21/04/2014 17:10:02    1578101

21/04/2014 15:59:55
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It is very strange to see the bitterness of some Cavan posters to Roscommon. One even said that Cork were robbed sure Ros did get a couple of handy frees and our fullback should have got a black card with a few mins to go but Cork got some handy frees as well could have got a couple of black cards in the third quarter, in the fourth quarter Cork got 3 key decisions in there favour the Cork back nailed Ronan Daly with a elbow in the stomach could have been red, For corks second goal the forward took seven steps took a solo, took another 7 steps and banged it in the net, for the third goal the foul happened between the 13 and 21 metre line, yet by the time he took it he must have been on the penalty spot, the last free for ros was probably a free for a push on Smith before the Cork back picked it straight of the ground.


Anyone that watched the full game would have seen Roscommon were by far the better footballing side if Cork had brought that game into extra time it would have been smash and grab and not deserved. Dublin played poorly and won and have three key players to return for final. A tough one to call but it should be another high scoring exciting game to watch which is great for neutrals like myself.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3356 - 21/04/2014 18:08:44    1578131

I'm surprised that not many Dublin fans have been up in arms over the 45 that was incorrectly waved as a wide with about 5 mins to go when the game was in the mix? It could easily have cost us the game. The officials had an off day alright as the umpire was only a few feet from this when a Cavan player kneed the ball over the line.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 21/04/2014 18:34:38    1578146

Maybe this info is out there already, but has a date and venue been set for the final.

bullring (Longford) - Posts: 204 - 21/04/2014 18:39:20    1578148

20/04/2014 19:22:08
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Interesting both Cork and Cavan have done 4 in a row in Munster and Ulster but haven't won the All Ireland,Havent even got close in fairness which say a lot for the standard in both province's.

First game was great,Roscommon were the better team, again Cork showed in bits what they can do but it is never enough.If the go on a shoot out with Dublin in the final they could come up short.

The second game was as i expected despreate.Dublin were there to play open attacking football,Cavan were there to keep the score down.Horrible to watch.

For the 4th year in a row Cavan have made it this far doing the same thing,im not counting the win over Wexford,but they havent learned that the 12 man defence wont win you an All Ireland,plus they dont have enough scoring power to win it.

I still think Roscommon would of beat Cavan in the final,although Dublin will love a shoot out,which will suit them better.





Another jealous sour Monaghan man
.....to say cork and cavan weren't even close...?...silly...both teams lost by last minute frees.....congrats dublin....cavans defence was excellent tho...play to your strengths....and a Monaghan man saying it was horrible to watch.??...ur 21s done tried the exact same but failed miserably....here's to a great final.!...bigger games ahead for cavan....time to move on

Ha Ha Jealous and sour?????? of what,You seem to forget WE are the current ULSTER SENIOR AND MINOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS.......

Our u21 had to play that way because thats the way you's have set up every team has to do that when the play yous.A jammy goal won that game for you's very lucky to beat Donegal and were found out again 4 years in a row that over defence is not the way to win!!

Read my post again Cork and Cavan were nowhere near winning the U21 All Ireland in the last 4years.

hardcore (Monaghan) - Posts: 1366 - 21/04/2014 19:21:21    1578162

If a team only manages a solitary point in the second half of any game they have NO ONE to blame but themselves if they lose. Its not the fault of the GAA, TG4 or the ref, its down to a truly dreadful second half.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 21/04/2014 19:23:41    1578163

20/04/2014 20:13:25
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hardcore co. Monaghan, when is Monaghan going to win an all Ireland, Cavan always beat you guy s, so where those that leave yous, anyway best of luck to all Ulster teams next week in league final s, and roll on Ulster championship

Jasus mchugh11 you have a serious horn for these Cavan boys.......your name wouldnt be martin by any chance would it?

You asked when is Monaghan going to win the All Ireland..........Hopefully this September!! ya boy ya!

hardcore (Monaghan) - Posts: 1366 - 21/04/2014 19:27:18    1578166

Hahahahahahaha @ Cavan GAA

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 21/04/2014 19:37:27    1578171

Listen at least we have a final where two teams will setup to play football

Cavan v Dublin was a truly awful game... Cavan played to their strengths

Basically they don't have a huge pile of those

Hence 14 behind the ball...

At least in Roscommon v Dublin it'll be a decent game to broadcast live

With two teams setup to play football instead of trying to stop football being played

I see Cavan folk are still hot under the collar

How unfortunate... :)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 21/04/2014 19:46:35    1578176

Joxer

True enough

The ref also missed 3 blatant black card offences involving Cavan players

Yeah the ref ripped them off...

Sure...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 21/04/2014 19:50:54    1578179

I've held my council since saturday - the initial rection is the ref/gaa/rte/media is against the Ulster representatives...

But as a referee , all you want to do, is get there and get it over and hopefully enjoy the game... no ref goes out of the way to favour one county over another... yes, mistakes have been made and will be made as all referees are human...

Did the Cavan player deserve a black card, answer Yes. Did the Dublin player deserve a black card - I'm not certain, I think the Cavan player pulled on the Dublin player - and this is me looking at it numerous times on Sky rewind,
The last contoversial free was a free = it was 'soft' - but what does soft mean - still technically a foul..
I think it was a shame that supporters and players had to jostle and harase the referee at the end... no need for that...
In conclusion, one point in the second half tells the real story...
Also , can you imagine if Dublin had to travel to Armagh... Why not!!!!

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 21/04/2014 20:21:01    1578195

Vincent's travelled to Newry to play Ballinderry not one complaint was made about having it at an Ulster venue from Vincent's. If it was on in Armagh we'd happily play it in Armagh no problem.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 21/04/2014 20:49:59    1578210

Clondalkindub

Dublin to newry is 6mins quicker than baliinderry to Newry. .according to Google.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5018 - 21/04/2014 21:01:05    1578217

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hardcore co. Monaghan, when is Monaghan going to win an all Ireland, Cavan always beat you guy s, so where those that leave yous, anyway best of luck to all Ulster teams next week in league final s, and roll on Ulster championship

Jasus mchugh11 you have a serious horn for these Cavan boys.......your name wouldnt be martin by any chance would it?

You asked when is Monaghan going to win the All Ireland..........Hopefully this September!! ya boy ya!

not if we get the right ref

D5dub (Dublin) - Posts: 283 - 21/04/2014 21:03:13    1578219

Cavanman hahaha very good.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 21/04/2014 21:33:24    1578236

Didn't hear the Vinnies lads complain about that 6 minutes though, did you? :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8597 - 21/04/2014 21:58:06    1578256

Cavan v Dublin

There has been a lot of discussion on this topic since Saturday and a lot of opinions expressed. For what it's worth my thoughts are:

Black card - I think the main issue for discussion is that a Black card should be issued for cynical behaviour if a player "Deliberately pulls down an opponent".

(1) For the tackle by Dillon, while it was not cynical i.e. he was not stopping a Dublin attack as in teh Sean Cavanagh case and, to me, it looked more awkward than deliberate he did clearly pull down an opponent so could not have many arguments about the Black Card.

(2) Some of our friends seem to think that because Moynagh grabbed McHugh's jersey after being rugby tackled then that was a let off from a Black Card. However, the referee issued a Yellow and a free so he (or the linesman) can't have believed this was an influence. The question is whether it was a Yellow Card or a Black Card. In this case, to me, it was a clear Black Card offence - McHugh deliberately pulled down an opponent in a cynical fashion (Cavan's attack was slowed down as a result). It was almost an exact copy of an AO'S 'tackle' in the first round of the league which he got a black card for.

(3) A '45' that wasn't given is mentioned previously as the ball having gone off a Cavan back's knee last. I think it was Clarke whose knee it hit but if you look closely at the replay you'll see it then caught (I think it was Mannion's) foot before going out. Irrespective of this the '45' was no gimme so we can't be sure it would have been converted.

(4) The final free, while 'soft', was given after the advantage was played. Maybe it could be argued advantage went on long enough for Dublin to take advantage but I don't think we can argue about this.

(5) A very 'soft' free was awarded to Lowndes (I think) in the first half that was converted. Again if you look back at this free these was no contact whatsoever, Cavan had won the ball fair and square and were moving into attack.

So, all in all, some poor decisions but I've seen a lot worse. I agree that the scenes at the end were pretty poor and I think Cavan Co Board should be issuing an apology. If I wasn't wearing my blue-tinted spectacles I would probably have picked up some decisions which favoured Cavan unfairly. You get some referee decisions and you lose some. Time to move on to the Senior and Minor Championships.

Best of luck to the Dubs and Rossies in the final.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 22/04/2014 10:23:52    1578292

If a team only manages a solitary point in the second half of any game they have NO ONE to blame but themselves if they lose. Its not the fault of the GAA, TG4 or the ref, its down to a truly dreadful second half.

Think you have the wrong thread, none of the semi-finalists on Saturday only scored 1 point in the 2nd half. You're presumably trying to criticise Cavan, but they scored 3 points in the 2nd half.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 329 - 22/04/2014 10:31:49    1578298

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"The GAA sets it own agendas, and come hell or high water they force it through. They wanted the game in portlaoise so that TG4 was able to be able to do a double header. After all with the Sky deal TG4 were the ones who were missing out, portlaoise was an olive branch to theTG4 TV company, and had nothing to do with fairness for the 4 teams involved."

Rubbish. TG4 has been showing these U21 games for a number of years. Neither RTE nor Sky were ever gonna the games on Saturday so your point is completely invalid.

my point is not invalid as the issue was not that they were showing or not showing the games, the issue was that the game was fixed as a doubleheader to allow for TG4 to have a single crew cover both. TG4 could have covered both games at differant location, locations that would have suited supporters better.
Ideally the cavan dublin game in Navan would have suited both sets of supporters
Cork Roscommon could have been played at any number of midway locations them that would have suited them both.
the decision to play the doubleheader was made for reason that did not have the good of the players, supporters or the game at it's core.
Every intercounty team has to wear either O'neills or azzuri as rule 4.1 as ordained by the GAA, forces counties to wear Irish manufactured sports gear, yet the GAA is now asking its members who want to watch the 14 sky only championship games to go buy viewing package from a british company.
Again set a rule and then ignore it when it doesn't suit.

notimpressed (UK) - Posts: 98 - 22/04/2014 10:53:47    1578310

Very disappointing to read some of the Dublin posters, who clearly weren't at the game, high horsing and generalising about the Cavan support. This is precisely the crack you are always defending yourselves against on here and the shoe is on the other foot and you're just as bad if not worse.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12124 - 22/04/2014 10:55:09    1578313