20/11/2013 17:18:02
ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 6292

Just don't see point of speckling bits and pieces of your posts 'as Gaeilge" either post fully in Irish or fully in English.
I'll defend irish and its usage where I see benefits but whats point of just speckling your post with the odd word of irish? Just think that's pointless
Im fairly good at speaking and writing in French do you see me posting in French much? No? Ainsi vous faire?

Ah so it's pejorative so. No counter-argument there. I accept your apology!

an tseabhac (Kerry) - Posts: 441 - 20/11/2013 17:56:53    1515838

flack
County: Dublin
Posts: 113

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Mike, the fella I named earlier was on Rockwells 'famous alumni' list on their webpage. I admit I've never heard of him, (:-D) but they say he's a current rugby star from limerick. Sorry, those schools aren't private, as you say. But theyrs pretty posh anyway.
Anyway, just as a matter of interest Ormonde, limerick doesn't have 4 out of 5 of the most deprived areas, it has one - the island field, the rest are in Dublin, ballinasloe and Donegal. You seem pretty obsessed with poverty in limerick!

Ah Flack I'd quit now while you are ahead. Those schools you mention, that is the total number of schools in Limerick City so as no fella has any other school to attend, you must think we are awful posh folk down here altogether. It isn't like Dublin I'm afraid, only a handful of schools down this way. At least if you are trying to wind Ormond up, first research what you say or it simply doesn't work ;)

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 20/11/2013 19:49:49    1515872

Ive done quite a bit of looking into this subject and believe Ireland on its own would be capable of such a bit and would be a major boost to the Irish economy. I would use the following stadia which are likely to be in place in 2023:
Croke Park - 82,300 Aviva Stadium - 51,700 Gaelic Grounds- 50,000 Cork Stadium - 50,000 (tbc)
McHale Park - 45,000 Antrim Stadium- 42,000 (tbc) Pearse Stadium- 35,000 Dublin Stadium- 35,000 (tbc)
Thomond Park- 32,500 Ravenhill - 22,000
Using the above stadium would represent an average capacity of 44,550. This is an extremely high average capacity with Ravenhill brining it down but it could be used for matches involving lower class nations. The average capacity for previous world cups are as follows:
Australia 2003 - 38,181 France 2007- 49,250 New Zealand 2011 - 28,300 England 2015 - 52,500 Japan 2019 - 44,270
This shows that Ireland would be the highest average capacity sole bidder in recent times and possibly ever. There average capacity would be almost 20,000 higher per stadium than the 2011 world cup. Also although only 3 of the prospective stadiums in Irelands bid would be so called 'rugby stadiums' this is more than the English world cup in 2015 of which all except Twickenham and Saracens ground would be soccer stadiums.
Also all of the stadiums I mentioned above are very strategically placed. Ireland currently has the infrastructure to deal with the world cup. Dublin would act as the main hub providing three stadiums. Two stadiums would be in Limerick, two stadiums in Belfast, one in Cork, one in Galway and one in Mayo. All of these locations are served by train from Dublin. Regarding flying obviously Dublin, Cork and Belfast airports would serve the stadiums in their cities. Knock airport is only 20miles from Castlebar so that could serve McHale Park. Shannon Airport is 15miles from Limerick city which would serve the Gaelic Grounds and Thomond Park. Pearse Stadium would be served by Galway airport. Internal flights from airport to airport could be arranged ensuring we have the necessary capabilities to deal with the capacity. Also are road system has undergone massive improvements in the past 15 years. This would make Ireland and excellent location with all stadia accesible by road, air or rail.

I dont think its unfeasible that Ireland would attract 45,000 people from England, 35,000 from Wales, 20,000 from both France and Scotland and a further 75,000 from other participating nations. These are largely conservative estimates but if Ireland was to attract 200,000 people not alone would that showcase Ireland but it would bring in significant income for the month the tournament takes place. As part of our get Ireland back on its feet campaign in 2013 this bid should be part of them celebrations.


Good post but just to point out some things
What stadium of 35000 capacity in Dublin are you referring to?
Saracens ground is not being used in 2015 world cup. The rugby grounds being used are Gloucester's, Exeters and Twickenham.

I should have said I posted this in a different thread some time ago. At that stage the venues weren't confirmed for the 2015 World Cup. In regards to the Dublin Stadium, it has been mooted that a stadium be located around the M 50 or Abbotstown to replace Parnell Park as its 9,000 capacity is just not fit for purpose. I believe the bid team should include a third dublin stadium to make their proposition more attractive. I wouldn't be in favour of including Semple Stadium, Thurles in any bid because in my view the transport links are not up to high enough standard and also the stadium will be quite old and dilapidated in 10 years time.

Ire2023 (Dublin) - Posts: 13 - 20/11/2013 20:29:22    1515893

Ire2023
Would you not think the irfu would use Fitzgerald stadium? Killarney is the most beautiful place in the world bar none if I do say so my self, I mean if you invite a guest in to your house would you take them into the kitchen or the sitting room?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 20/11/2013 21:23:46    1515923

I did research it Mike, took me a whole 20 seconds, backbreaking stuff! ;-)

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 20/11/2013 21:35:28    1515931

20/11/2013 20:29:22
Ire2023
I should have said I posted this in a different thread some time ago. At that stage the venues weren't confirmed for the 2015 World Cup. In regards to the Dublin Stadium, it has been mooted that a stadium be located around the M 50 or Abbotstown to replace Parnell Park as its 9,000 capacity is just not fit for purpose. I believe the bid team should include a third dublin stadium to make their proposition more attractive. I wouldn't be in favour of including Semple Stadium, Thurles in any bid because in my view the transport links are not up to high enough standard and also the stadium will be quite old and dilapidated in 10 years time. Think if 3 stadiums in Dublin are used they already have them in Croke Park, the Aviva and the RDS and 3 is probably too much for a city of Dublins size.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 20/11/2013 21:45:17    1515941

Jasus kindomboy. Wouldn't go that far. Give me slane any day.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/11/2013 21:54:08    1515947

By "working class" do we mean the unemployed? by "middle class" do we mean the working clss? etc. Soccer/GAA in Dublin is a near universal sport (D1/D2 tend to be sports free zones as they are the city centre!). A true universal sport will attract people of all social backgrounds without distinction. Entry exclusitivity in any sport leads to that sports mediocrity. Most sports including rugby have long woken up to that basic fact.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 21/11/2013 09:46:45    1515979

Royaldunne
I was in slane once and I couldn't get out of there fast enough :-) only joking it's a fine spot all right but it's no Killarney I'm afraid.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 21/11/2013 11:53:29    1516032

Quick question if this did happen and we did host the rugby world cup in 10 years time how many posters here would go to games?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/11/2013 15:46:20    1516164

ormondbannerman - I certainly would go to 2 or 3 games, if possible.

Hurling1Guru1 (Galway) - Posts: 244 - 21/11/2013 16:58:49    1516211

flack
County: Dublin
Posts: 108

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crescent, munchins mungret, some limerick rugger heads go to rockwell (eg denis fogarty) all pretty posh schools. You say "working class origins", do you mean theyre posh now? I always hear limerick rugger-b's saying its so "working class", but theyre all well-off themselves. In fact ive never met a fleck from limerick who played rugby, and theyre not thin on the ground!

Flack you are miles off the mark here. No Limerick people go to Rockwell. There are 2 main rugby schools in the city, munchins and crescent. Castletroy are going that way and Ard Scoil are now leaning towards being a hurling school. No Limerick rugby lads go to school anywhere else really and none of them are private schools. In fact there aren't any private secondary schools in Limerick City bar Villiers and that isn't a sporting school in any way

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 21/11/2013 18:06:22    1516243

I forgot killarney, nicest backdrop to a stadium probably in the world. If you don't count that pitch in inis oirr. :-D. Actually, inis oirr's where we can put the brit matches!

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 21/11/2013 18:17:34    1516250

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 6304

I'd try to go to every game in Cork. Really Don't think it's worth going outside munster to watch a game.

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 21/11/2013 18:17:46    1516251

Flack
Very good :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 21/11/2013 18:46:35    1516275

Ormond if I'm still here in 10 years I'll deffo go to the group games if they're local.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 21/11/2013 18:48:37    1516277

I don't think this will benefit us in the long run. If the RWC is held here it will just make rugby more appealing to youngster. At the moment there is almost blanket media coverage for a series of friendly imagine what if will be like if the RWC is played here. I think about this a a GAA man which is way I expect central council to think about it. Sure many GAA fans are also rugby fans but when it comes to making decision this big I expectrk to do what is best for their own sport.

Louth Gael (Louth) - Posts: 1227 - 22/11/2013 10:29:19    1516433

22/11/2013 10:29:19
Louth Gael
I don't think this will benefit us in the long run. If the RWC is held here it will just make rugby more appealing to youngster. At the moment there is almost blanket media coverage for a series of friendly imagine what if will be like if the RWC is played here. I think about this a a GAA man which is way I expect central council to think about it. Sure many GAA fans are also rugby fans but when it comes to making decision this big I expectrk to do what is best for their own sport. Whats wrong with making rugby more appealing due to nature of GAA season and rugby season it is possible to play both.
These "friendlys" that people seem to knock are our shots at beating the traditional big 3 and help prepare us for world cups and 6Ns.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/11/2013 11:15:14    1516469

I would go games if I could get a ticket. I have only ever been to one major rugby match in my life but I don't mind watching it from time to time. I would not be looking for any of really big knock-out stage matches as there are plenty of genuine rugby fans ahead of me who should get those...Uruguay v Japan would do me fine.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 22/11/2013 12:08:45    1516500

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 6318

GaryMc82
Working Class / Middle Class might as well be the same thing for all I know. I've never properly understood the class system, and how it is drafted up. I don't think the class system is suited to Ireland, as we have no aristocracy left to top it off and Irish people tend to not like people who are stuck up or up their own holes.
I would have took working class to be equal to middle class, as work is very scarce these days. I think every City or large town has a few rough area's, I know Derry City has it's fair share and could probably rival Limerick in these stakes.

ormondbannerman
County:Clare
If you dont understand it Im not going to tell you as its fairly easy to understand and this forum is not the place for explanations of that sport

I disagree, as that particular topic came up as part of this discussion thread and caused some offense to others.

Personally I have never fully understood what qualifies some people as middle class and others as working class. I fully understand in Dublin and most major Cities it is probably a matter of address ( D4 heads......etc ).

My Ignorance of such matters is not because im uneducated, nor because I am sheltered from such worldly matters. My Ignorance of the class system, Is simply because I find it difficult to stomach such crap.

its fairly easy to understand you say? How is it easy to understand such material dribble.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 25/11/2013 09:00:28    1517365