18/11/2013 20:33:30
uibhfhaili1986
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As long as this doesn't cost the GAA a penny and they receive a huge amount of money to develop the stadia and then a huge excess that can be used for promoting the GAA I am all for it.

Amen, brother. Also a dealbreaker from CLG should be reduction of the competition to 16 teams so the first 2 weeks aren't choc-a-bloc with the glories of An Afraic Theas 5,363 An Spáinn 0.

Ní cathair rugbaí í Luimneach (ach, sea, is bean í). There is no such thing as a cathair CLG in existence. If anything, it is, like most other urban areas in the world, a soccer city. Luimneach being known as a rugby city internationally does not count when 'internationally' means the <10 countries in the world who either know or care about rugby.

an tseabhac (Kerry) - Posts: 441 - 19/11/2013 15:52:37    1515329

ormondbannerman
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1515172 19/11/2013 11:25:10 Small towns host GAA games and do fine but they don't have to deal with 90+% of the attendances looking for hotel rooms before/after games which would be the case with a world cup.
Carlow? Armagh? Waterford? Clonmel? Letterkenny? Where are the stadiums and facilities in those areas? You got to be kidding me if you think those towns could be used for matches.

So the only reason you think most of the towns I listed can't be used, Is because they wouldn't have the accomodation?. Few places outside of Dublin would be able to cope with 12,000 to 18,000 people for one night, So naturally people be spread out around the other towns surrounding the main venue. Special travel arrangements will always be put on for special events.r

We can also look to events like Electric Picnic and Oxegen for Camping Idea's.

I would say anywhere within an hour or two from Belfast or Dublin would be fine for anybody arriving from abroad. Most stadiums need upgraded anyways, so that can't be an excuse.

Armagh City is surrounded by Large towns like Newry, Monaghan, Castleblaney, Dundalk, Dungannon etc. Less than an hour from Belfast's airports.

Carlow town is less than an hour from Dublin City, also close to Kilkenny City and Portlaois etc.

Derry City ( 4th largest City on our Island ), with Letterkenny, Omagh, Ballybofey, Buncrana, Coleraine, Limavady, Dungiven and Strabane all in close proximity.

At the end of the day, we should be looking to promote the whole country. Give foreign people who may never have set foot in Ireland before the chance to see places like Derry, Kerry, Donegal, Kilkenny, Galway, Wicklow, Mayo, Fermanagh, Sligo etc.
Otherwise we end up with loads of top stadiums squashed into 3 or 4 locations, which will have little or no domestic use afterwards.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 19/11/2013 16:16:15    1515344

19/11/2013 15:52:37
an tseabhac
Amen, brother. Also a dealbreaker from CLG should be reduction of the competition to 16 teams so the first 2 weeks aren't choc-a-bloc with the glories of An Afraic Theas 5,363 An Spáinn 0.

Ní cathair rugbaí í Luimneach (ach, sea, is bean í). There is no such thing as a cathair CLG in existence. If anything, it is, like most other urban areas in the world, a soccer city. Luimneach being known as a rugby city internationally does not count when 'internationally' means the <10 countries in the world who either know or care about rugby. HaHa
Some irish snob you are. Just comment in english man. there's threads created for those who want to type as gaeilge.
No deal for reduction in teams will ever be considered and jeez your snobbish and rugby is a much bigger sport than a snob like you would ever realise. 10 countries.... haha

19/11/2013 16:16:15 GaryMc82
So the only reason you think most of the towns I listed can't be used, Is because they wouldn't have the accomodation?. Few places outside of Dublin would be able to cope with 12,000 to 18,000 people for one night, So naturally people be spread out around the other towns surrounding the main venue. Special travel arrangements will always be put on for special events.r
We can also look to events like Electric Picnic and Oxegen for Camping Idea's.
I would say anywhere within an hour or two from Belfast or Dublin would be fine for anybody arriving from abroad. Most stadiums need upgraded anyways, so that can't be an excuse.
Armagh City is surrounded by Large towns like Newry, Monaghan, Castleblaney, Dundalk, Dungannon etc. Less than an hour from Belfast's airports.
Carlow town is less than an hour from Dublin City, also close to Kilkenny City and Portlaois etc.
Derry City ( 4th largest City on our Island ), with Letterkenny, Omagh, Ballybofey, Buncrana, Coleraine, Limavady, Dungiven and Strabane all in close proximity.

At the end of the day, we should be looking to promote the whole country. Give foreign people who may never have set foot in Ireland before the chance to see places like Derry, Kerry, Donegal, Kilkenny, Galway, Wicklow, Mayo, Fermanagh, Sligo etc.
Otherwise we end up with loads of top stadiums squashed into 3 or 4 locations, which will have little or no domestic use afterwards. If a world cup was held tourists would still see the whole country. Outside of games they would travel etc especially if here for 2/3 weeks potentially.
The cities all could cope with the numbers and the towns like killarney but most wouldnt.
Most tourists and rugby world cup supporters will not camp. Some will but in the main people will not and will look for hotels etc
People could still see all those places but you dont need to put games there for that.
For example i could easily imagine New Zealand spending considerable time in Donegal considering the man who captained the first new zealand team to be known as the all blacks was from Ramelton and that would be great business for Donegal and bring in tourists.
Countries will also be needing training camps etc prior to the world cup and that would be a chance for people to see those area's where games are not being played.
Which of the stadiums proposed to be used would have little to no domestic use afterwards?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 19/11/2013 16:52:04    1515371

Rugby World cup in Ireland is a stupid idea , the country is already full of white elephant stadiums omly after the world cup it would just have nicer white elephant stadiums , cant see it happening anyway as I think the english and the welsh will look to get games in lieu if voting for Ireland .

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 19/11/2013 17:18:32    1515392

England are getting it in 2015 so what be the point in them wanting games

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 19/11/2013 17:44:17    1515413

Wouldn't it be better to get beaten at home rather than having to go across the water to get hammered?

Edenburt15 (Cavan) - Posts: 723 - 19/11/2013 17:50:02    1515414

A lot of people disregarding the smaller towns. For what it's worth Cavan held the Fleadh for 3 years without a problem and there's arguably bigger numbers attend that than individual rugby games dependant on who's playing and obviously the bigger teams would not really be playing in Breffni anyway hypothetically.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12121 - 19/11/2013 17:50:33    1515415

Your gas Ormonde, a rugger-b complaining about snobbery! Very ironic. Don't pretend you don't understand what seabhac wrote either, I'd say every person in the country has enough Irish to read that.
By the way, rugby in moyross and st. Mary's park? What planet are you coming from?
Anyway, croker, pairs UI chaoimh, thomond, Galway, ravenhill, maybe thurles. Time for the yaw-yaws to get their begging bowls out. Some 'professionals'!

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 19/11/2013 17:51:07    1515416

Would hate to see it in Thurles. It's a great stadium to be in for a hurling match but could you imagine people seeing photos of it before they came to Ireland, for its size its the most plain and boring stadium i've ever seen.

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 19/11/2013 18:17:22    1515433

Flack you do know that Thomond Park is a few hundred meters from Moyross and that Shannon, the most successful club in Irish rugby, originally drew most of their supporters and players from St Mary's Park??

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 19/11/2013 18:30:17    1515437

19/11/2013 17:18:32
tinrylandman
Rugby World cup in Ireland is a stupid idea , the country is already full of white elephant stadiums omly after the world cup it would just have nicer white elephant stadiums , cant see it happening anyway as I think the english and the welsh will look to get games in lieu if voting for Ireland . There isn't really many white elephant stadiums already and all stadiums would he used again quite a bit after tournament would be completed be they rugby or GAA grounds.
Don't think English/Welsh would get games. You don't have to do that for votes. New Zealand didn't offer Australia games in 2011 as many thought they would. There wouldn't be that much of a chance if you do things right and you can keep entire tournament on this island.
On stadiums you would have better stadiums and is there really many white elephant stadiums?

19/11/2013 17:50:02
Edenburt15
Wouldn't it be better to get beaten at home rather than having to go across the water to get hammered? troll go away

19/11/2013 17:50:33
Breffni39
A lot of people disregarding the smaller towns. For what it's worth Cavan held the Fleadh for 3 years without a problem and there's arguably bigger numbers attend that than individual rugby games dependant on who's playing and obviously the bigger teams would not really be playing in Breffni anyway hypothetically. fair point but places like Cavan would only ever see training camps. Not worth it otherwise in Cavan.
19/11/2013 17:51:07
flack
Your gas Ormond, a rugger-b complaining about snobbery! Very ironic. Don't pretend you don't understand what seabhac wrote either, I'd say every person in the country has enough Irish to read that.
By the way, rugby in moyross and st. Mary's park? What planet are you coming from?
Anyway, croker, pairs UI chaoimh, thomond, Galway, ravenhill, maybe thurles. Time for the yaw-yaws to get their begging bowls out. Some 'professionals'! seriously haven't a clue wrt irish. Havent looked at irish since doing pass irish in the LC back almost 5 years ago.
Flack you mustn't know much about rugby in Limerick if your asking me about moyross and the island wrt rugby. Moyross is very strong rugby area with Thomond rfc doing huge work in moyross, ballynanty area's and Shannon are synonomous with the park and the island field as st marys park is known. Their club song "there is an isle" is about the island parish known as st marys.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 19/11/2013 18:50:48    1515447

Don't kniow if the IRB, the IRFU or the countries themselves decide where teams will be based but they should try to base as many as possible in what are not traditional rugby areas to promote the games there. People talking about games in McHale Park, would have an effect for the matchday. By basing an international team in a non-traditional rugby area they could train at diffrent venues and get an interest going in rugby with the local youth. What about basing a team with a decent hotel where they could train at different clubs in the locality. As Far as I know Creggs is the only rugby club in Roscommon which would not be seen to be a rugby county. Imagine if the All Blacks were based in Roscommon town. Trained on a GAA pitch in Frenchpark one day, on a soccer pitch in Strokestown the next, the amount of interest it would generate in the local youths. If they end up basing teams in traditional rugby strongholds I think the IRFU will have passed up one serious recruitment opportunity.

Rugby and GAA seasons seem to dovetail pretty well, not competing too much, but I know some will disagree with that. Some of the skills in each game benefits the other. Most lads I played rugby with had played GAA, some were even failed GAA players like myself! I think Soccer, with the League of Ireland currently running in the summer, are more in competition with each other. All hypothetical at this point as there's a long way to go before we even submit a bid.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 19/11/2013 18:55:14    1515449

Mike, croker is right in the north inner city, beside summerhill, etc. But we don't get much players from there. (get Brennan is one). There were also 'originally' many teams in the inner city (eg o tooles) but right now, like st Mary's park, it's mainly soccer, with support at least for the GAA. And a million miles from rugby.

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 19/11/2013 18:57:36    1515450

Sorry Mike, I missed my own point there! Just pointing out that, like the rest of Ireland, rugby in limerick is (albeit to a slightly lesser degree) a game of the posh, most players are private school goys in the end. I wouldn't call it a hurling city either just because half the city comes out for them when they're doing well. (nothing wrong with that ny the way)

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 19/11/2013 19:06:44    1515458

Some of the posts here are slightly deluded, Yes i think it would be agood idea to host the RWC, but in reality the venues we have at the moment are:-

1. Croke Park
2. Aviva Stadium
3. Casement Park ( will be completed in 2017 and be 45,000 all seater)
4 Thomand Park
5. Ravenhill


as for the GAA grounds
1. Armagh ( it a lovely MODERN well small stadium , 18,500) with all the necessary components, press facilities, in an historic town/city, with ample Car parking, hotels etc,
2. Salthill in Galway- I think this is a must if we are serious, but it needs up-grading
3. Cork - This is the carrot, at the moment the capacity is less than 30,000 and it needs a major overhaul - knocked down - a new stadium, would be great for the tournment, Cork, the GAA and the economy, but access is still a problem here, but time is on the side
4. Fitzgerald Stadium - Possibly a revamp would give a tourism boost here,

As for the rest, its a toss up between Kilkenny and Longford. There are very few other GAA grounds out there with ease of access, fairly modern, with hotels, campsites etc on its doorstep.
I would discount Newry, even though it hasa fine stand, acces is brutal, and it still looks 'old' even though its relatively new,
Navan needs a major overhaul as does Portlaois and Tullamore isn't the answer either

In reality its the major urban centers which will canter, Dublin, Belfast, Cork , Derry ( don't think so), Limerick in that order.
As for my Kerry friend who said that there were only 2 hospitals in belfast, unfortunately or fortunately we are tripping over them...

but we will probably have a game or 2 in Ballymoney or Birr or Fermoy as the TD or MLA in charge will want it in their own patch!!!

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 19/11/2013 19:25:38    1515472

19/11/2013 18:55:14
GreenandRed
Don't kniow if the IRB, the IRFU or the countries themselves decide where teams will be based but they should try to base as many as possible in what are not traditional rugby areas to promote the games there. People talking about games in McHale Park, would have an effect for the matchday. By basing an international team in a non-traditional rugby area they could train at diffrent venues and get an interest going in rugby with the local youth. What about basing a team with a decent hotel where they could train at different clubs in the locality. As Far as I know Creggs is the only rugby club in Roscommon which would not be seen to be a rugby county. Imagine if the All Blacks were based in Roscommon town. Trained on a GAA pitch in Frenchpark one day, on a soccer pitch in Strokestown the next, the amount of interest it would generate in the local youths. If they end up basing teams in traditional rugby strongholds I think the IRFU will have passed up one serious recruitment opportunity.

Rugby and GAA seasons seem to dovetail pretty well, not competing too much, but I know some will disagree with that. Some of the skills in each game benefits the other. Most lads I played rugby with had played GAA, some were even failed GAA players like myself! I think Soccer, with the League of Ireland currently running in the summer, are more in competition with each other. All hypothetical at this point as there's a long way to go before we even submit a bid. Great post
IRB and IRFU would help teams and give them all the info on potential bases for training etc and the individual countries then make a decision as to what they'll do.
On teams training in non traditional area's a rugby world cup would be perfect for the rugby connection with dave Gallagher in Donegal to be making the news again and im sure the All Blacks(BNZ) would love to base themselves around the great man's home town.
Great points on the seasons and skills linking in.

19/11/2013 19:06:44
flack
Sorry Mike, I missed my own point there! Just pointing out that, like the rest of Ireland, rugby in limerick is (albeit to a slightly lesser degree) a game of the posh, most players are private school goys in the end. I wouldn't call it a hurling city either just because half the city comes out for them when they're doing well. (nothing wrong with that ny the way) its not in the slightest. Vast majority of clubs in Limerick all have very much working class origins with Shannon, Young Munster, Thomond, St Marys, Richmond, Bohemians all being very much working class clubs with prob only Garryowen and maybe Old Crescent as not so much.
Which schools in Limerick are private schools that are producing "private school goys"? Which one's exactly?
Crescent Comprehensive... Ard Scoil Ris... St Munchins... Castletroy College...St Nessans...

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 19/11/2013 19:32:28    1515474

crescent, munchins mungret, some limerick rugger heads go to rockwell (eg denis fogarty) all pretty posh schools. You say "working class origins", do you mean theyre posh now? I always hear limerick rugger-b's saying its so "working class", but theyre all well-off themselves. In fact ive never met a fleck from limerick who played rugby, and theyre not thin on the ground!
BTW, im sure you know your rugby better than me, ive only heard many limerick lads (including on here) saying that its a big myth blown out of proporcion by the rugby media

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 19/11/2013 20:04:44    1515490

19/11/2013 19:25:38
cuchulainn35
Some of the posts here are slightly deluded, Yes i think it would be agood idea to host the RWC, but in reality the venues we have at the moment are:-
1. Croke Park 2. Aviva Stadium 3. Casement Park ( will be completed in 2017 and be 45,000 all seater) 4 Thomond Park 5. Ravenhill
as for the GAA grounds
1. Armagh ( it a lovely MODERN well small stadium , 18,500) with all the necessary components, press facilities, in an historic town/city, with ample Car parking, hotels etc,
2. Salthill in Galway- I think this is a must if we are serious, but it needs up-grading
3. Cork - This is the carrot, at the moment the capacity is less than 30,000 and it needs a major overhaul - knocked down - a new stadium, would be great for the tournment, Cork, the GAA and the economy, but access is still a problem here, but time is on the side
4. Fitzgerald Stadium - Possibly a revamp would give a tourism boost here,
As for the rest, its a toss up between Kilkenny and Longford. There are very few other GAA grounds out there with ease of access, fairly modern, with hotels, campsites etc on its doorstep.
I would discount Newry, even though it hasa fine stand, acces is brutal, and it still looks 'old' even though its relatively new,
Navan needs a major overhaul as does Portlaois and Tullamore isn't the answer either
In reality its the major urban centers which will canter, Dublin, Belfast, Cork , Derry ( don't think so), Limerick in that order.
As for my Kerry friend who said that there were only 2 hospitals in belfast, unfortunately or fortunately we are tripping over them...
but we will probably have a game or 2 in Ballymoney or Birr or Fermoy as the TD or MLA in charge will want it in their own patch!!! Actual stadium list would be quite different from that. RDS also likely to be used

19/11/2013 20:04:44
flack
crescent, munchins mungret, some limerick rugger heads go to rockwell (eg denis fogarty) all pretty posh schools. You say "working class origins", do you mean theyre posh now? I always hear limerick rugger-b's saying its so "working class", but theyre all well-off themselves. In fact ive never met a fleck from limerick who played rugby, and theyre not thin on the ground!
BTW, im sure you know your rugby better than me, ive only heard many limerick lads (including on here) saying that its a big myth blown out of proporcion by the rugby media Rockwell is a school in Cashel in Tipperary. In no way can it be claimed as a Limerick school and Denis Fogarty isn't from Limerick. He is from Cashel and
Mungret college has been closed for nearly 40 years(closed in 74 afaik). Munchins and Crescent are not exactly posh schools. No working class origins means working class still.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 19/11/2013 21:28:32    1515521

If there is one thing I hate its posters using the term "working class". This is not Downton abbey where the masses scurry out of the way of the landed gentry. Why do Rugby people use this term when describing people from less well to do area like parts of limerick??? I've yet to hear the Sunday game say that any player from Dublin is of a working class background. Complete lack of respect for your fellow countrymen.

Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 470 - 19/11/2013 21:49:27    1515533

Bain
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Colm o'rourke said in his newspaper colum on sunday that the GAA was now a middle class game and soccer was a 'working class game' in Dublin. He said that GAA had become 'posh'

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 19/11/2013 21:54:21    1515536